My I HATE TEST cycle

[BOOEY]

Test makes me break out - bad! I refuse to use it. Here's what I'm thinking for my next cycle:

Weeks 1-10: Tren Enth @ 500mg/week
Weeks 1-4: Dbol @ 80mg/ED (I've done this amount before and everything was ok)
Weeks 8-12: Winstrol @ 50mg/ED (maybe 75-100 mg???)

Week 13 and on: PCT

Is 10 weeks of Tren-E long enough? I'm thinking of adding some EQ, not sure yet. What do you guys think? Pretty simple, but open to ideas/suggestions - including adding other aas, except for Test.

Goals:
Add 15-20lbs LBM

Diet:
GREAT!

Stats/history:
5 cycles
25 yrs. old
5'11" 220lbs, low-teens bodyfat%

 

[gttnbig82]

Test makes me break out - bad! I refuse to use it. Here's what I'm thinking for my next cycle:

Weeks 1-10: Tren Enth @ 500mg/week
Weeks 1-4: Dbol @ 80mg/ED (I've done this amount before and everything was ok)
Weeks 8-12: Winstrol @ 50mg/ED (maybe 75-100 mg???)

Week 13 and on: PCT

Is 10 weeks of Tren-E long enough? I'm thinking of adding some EQ, not sure yet. What do you guys think? Pretty simple, but open to ideas/suggestions - including adding other aas, except for Test.

Goals:
Add 15-20lbs LBM

Diet:
GREAT!

Stats/history:
5 cycles
25 yrs. old
5'11" 220lbs, low-teens bodyfat%

Def add the EQ, run proviron throughout and ur good to go!
You break out from test but not tren???

 

[BOOEY]

Def add the EQ, run proviron throughout and ur good to go!
You break out from test but not tren???

How long should I run the EQ for? I know it's recommended to run for 12 weeks+. If that's the case, should I run Tren longer?

 

[gttnbig82]

How long should I run the EQ for? I know it's recommended to run for 12 weeks+. If that's the case, should I run Tren longer?

EQ 14-16 weeks 500+ mgs
Tren E, I dont have any experience in but I would say stick with 10wks. Everyone I know that runs Tren E does 10 weeks.

 

[lazer84]

Test makes me break out - bad! I refuse to use it. Here's what I'm thinking for my next cycle:

Weeks 1-10: Tren Enth @ 500mg/week
Weeks 1-4: Dbol @ 80mg/ED (I've done this amount before and everything was ok)
Weeks 8-12: Winstrol @ 50mg/ED (maybe 75-100 mg???)

Week 13 and on: PCT

Is 10 weeks of Tren-E long enough? I'm thinking of adding some EQ, not sure yet. What do you guys think? Pretty simple, but open to ideas/suggestions - including adding other aas, except for Test.

Goals:
Add 15-20lbs LBM

Diet:
GREAT!

Stats/history:
5 cycles
25 yrs. old
5'11" 220lbs, low-teens bodyfat%

I tried a cycle w/out any test a couple of times. The first one was primo/Eq./proviron. Never again, felt like crap w/out any test.

2nd---50mg var only/w provion---great cycle. Did not experience the emotional baggage of not having test.

From my experience proviron works pretty good for libido, but not emotionally when your lacking test.
Just my experience.

 

[XdrlX]

Test makes me break out - bad! I refuse to use it. Here's what I'm thinking for my next cycle:

Weeks 1-10: Tren Enth @ 500mg/week
Weeks 1-4: Dbol @ 80mg/ED (I've done this amount before and everything was ok)
Weeks 8-12: Winstrol @ 50mg/ED (maybe 75-100 mg???)

Week 13 and on: PCT

Is 10 weeks of Tren-E long enough? I'm thinking of adding some EQ, not sure yet. What do you guys think? Pretty simple, but open to ideas/suggestions - including adding other aas, except for Test.

Goals:
Add 15-20lbs LBM

Diet:
GREAT!

Stats/history:
5 cycles
25 yrs. old
5'11" 220lbs, low-teens bodyfat%

So test makes you breakout but Dbol doesnt at 80mg???

 

[UFC22]

No 10wks of Tren Enanthate is plenty. I ran it for 6 weeks and had great results. You can add EQ if you would like. But drop the Tren at week 10 and run the Eq until week 14-16 whatever you chose. This will help get the tren out before PCT this an easier PC recovery. 80mgs of dbol is very excessive. I did 30mgs with great results, but to each his own! Good luck.

 

[Selene]

Good luck to you with your cycle, please post results will be interesting

 

[tical]

pop 20mg accutane EOD and you wont get any zits

 

[BOOEY]

So test makes you breakout but Dbol doesnt at 80mg???

Weird, huh?

 

[BOOEY]

No 10wks of Tren Enanthate is plenty. I ran it for 6 weeks and had great results. You can add EQ if you would like. But drop the Tren at week 10 and run the Eq until week 14-16 whatever you chose. This will help get the tren out before PCT this an easier PC recovery. 80mgs of dbol is very excessive. I did 30mgs with great results, but to each his own! Good luck.

Yeah unfortunetly I need that much to get the full benefit. I've tried as low as 30 and even 50mg. However I didn't start seeing incredible results until I went to 80mg.

I'm psyched about the Tren. I think I will go ahead and add EQ. 600mg should do. Thanks!

 

[go2failure]

Test makes me break out - bad! I refuse to use it. Here's what I'm thinking for my next cycle:

Weeks 1-10: Tren Enth @ 500mg/week
Weeks 1-4: Dbol @ 80mg/ED (I've done this amount before and everything was ok)
Weeks 8-12: Winstrol @ 50mg/ED (maybe 75-100 mg???)

Week 13 and on: PCT

Is 10 weeks of Tren-E long enough? I'm thinking of adding some EQ, not sure yet. What do you guys think? Pretty simple, but open to ideas/suggestions - including adding other aas, except for Test.

Goals:
Add 15-20lbs LBM

Diet:
GREAT!

Stats/history:
5 cycles
25 yrs. old
5'11" 220lbs, low-teens bodyfat%

Dude, last time I took tren I started to develop gyno. I couldnt imagine throwing Dbol in there too... The winstrol did nothing for me as far as the tren gyno goes... You might want to reconsider this one (unless you've done it before).

 

[Big_Joe]

I tried a cycle w/out any test a couple of times. The first one was primo/Eq./proviron. Never again, felt like crap w/out any test.

2nd---50mg var only/w provion---great cycle. Did not experience the emotional baggage of not having test.

From my experience proviron works pretty good for libido, but not emotionally when your lacking test.
Just my experience.

I've seen a number of post, here and different boards, that have guys complain about how they feel with a no test cycle. I have been wondering if using hcg at around 500iu everyday will solve the problem. It will keep your own test levels a little bit higher then normal and should shorten recovery time. I wonder what other people think about this.

 

[Varga]

500iu HCG ED is way too much for the entire cycle. 500iu X 2 a week will help with libido but not sure how much without test. Never done it without test.

 

[AhMadKooL]

Using tren without test your libido most probably will be shut down. You have 2 options:

1)Supplement with proviron and cialis/viagra

2) Drop the tren and use primo instead (But this option is more expensive)

 

[Hurricane55]

Def add the EQ, run proviron throughout and ur good to go!
You break out from test but not tren???

Yeah that's the first time I heard that. I haven't used tren yet (next cycle) and have heard the sides are worse than test

 

[digimon7068]

i love test. . .nice gains in size and strength, i feel great physically and mentally throughout and i'm pretty much a walking hard-on by the end of week 2 (even at 42 yoa). . .so i get a few zits. . .nothing a little time in the sun won't take care of. . .

 

[BOOEY]

i love test. . .nice gains in size and strength, i feel great physically and mentally throughout and i'm pretty much a walking hard-on by the end of week 2 (even at 42 yoa). . .so i get a few zits. . .nothing a little time in the sun won't take care of. . .

No, I seriously break out BAD when I use test. I thought it may have been the high dosage, so this previous cycle I only used 250mg and same thing. I ran an EQ/Dbol/Provirion cycle before and no zits. So I know it's the test. I can't afford (physcially and financially) to take Accutane with every cycle.

 

[krishna]

Welcome to the no test club. Only test I'll touch now is prop from time to time so I can ditch it when the sides kick in. Tren/eq/prov was a killer no test stack for me.

 

[BOOEY]

Welcome to the no test club. Only test I'll touch now is prop from time to time so I can ditch it when the sides kick in. Tren/eq/prov was a killer no test stack for me.

Awesome. Can you tell me what you ran, for how long, etc, and what the results were? Were you running tren-a or e?

 

[taureauchien]

i like the results from test but it bloats me like a balloon no matter what i use to prevent it.
my last cycle was a tren/winny only, and i dropped the winny after a few weeks because my joints were starting to get really sore.
i would say that it was one of my best cycles ever.
no real libido issues until the end and through pct. and even then it wasnt that i couldnt get it up (because it went up on command) it was more that i just didnt feel like putting out the effort to get laid.
plus i left it up to the old lady....if she wanted some ding ding, she had to go for it (which neither of us minded) we had a weekend to ourselves and i took some cialis and was ready to go all weekend.
the low libido lasted about a month (including pct time)

i'm on a primo/var right now with igf and it is going nice and mild, but i see increase in strength.
will go primo first half then switch to tren 2nd half with the var and igf, and maybe get some proviron to see how it reacts...i've heard good results from adding that in on a tren cycle without test.
good luck

 

[krishna]

Awesome. Can you tell me what you ran, for how long, etc, and what the results were? Were you running tren-a or e?

600/wk eq
375wk tren e
50/day prov
2.5/day bromo

I ran it for 15 weeks. I gained about 20lbs lbm (no fat). Seemed like I could eat whatever I wanted and keep my bf down. The only sides were night sweats and occasional bouts of anxiety and aggression. Other than that, I got no acne or hair loss. My libido was in-tact the entire cycle. In fact, the only time I lost my libido was when test was in the cycle.

 

[chilledandy]

Say good buy to your dick with that

 

[BOOEY]

i like the results from test but it bloats me like a balloon no matter what i use to prevent it.
my last cycle was a tren/winny only, and i dropped the winny after a few weeks because my joints were starting to get really sore.
i would say that it was one of my best cycles ever.
no real libido issues until the end and through pct. and even then it wasnt that i couldnt get it up (because it went up on command) it was more that i just didnt feel like putting out the effort to get laid.
plus i left it up to the old lady....if she wanted some ding ding, she had to go for it (which neither of us minded) we had a weekend to ourselves and i took some cialis and was ready to go all weekend.
the low libido lasted about a month (including pct time)

i'm on a primo/var right now with igf and it is going nice and mild, but i see increase in strength.
will go primo first half then switch to tren 2nd half with the var and igf, and maybe get some proviron to see how it reacts...i've heard good results from adding that in on a tren cycle without test.
good luck

That's what I'm talking about. You and krishna are living proof that you do NOT need test in every cycle. Seems like that's all you hear on any board nowadays, "you must have test" -- BULLSHIT. A little provirion and some cialis, and you're good to go.

 

[BOOEY]

600/wk eq
375wk tren e
50/day prov
2.5/day bromo

I ran it for 15 weeks. I gained about 20lbs lbm (no fat). Seemed like I could eat whatever I wanted and keep my bf down. The only sides were night sweats and occasional bouts of anxiety and aggression. Other than that, I got no acne or hair loss. My libido was in-tact the entire cycle. In fact, the only time I lost my libido was when test was in the cycle.

That's amazing! I hope to have similar results. I'll be pretty much running the same thing, but with dbol the first few weeks. Man, I can't wait!!!!!

 

[krishna]

That's what I'm talking about. You and krishna are living proof that you do NOT need test in every cycle. Seems like that's all you hear on any board nowadays, "you must have test" -- BULLSHIT. A little provirion and some cialis, and you're good to go.

Bruce runs testless cycles with good results too. Maybe he can chime in with some other stacks he's done.