My first real cycle.

[warrior08]

6 ft 215lbs. 15% bf 25yrs old. Training since 16.

Previous cycles: 2 ph cycles and tried pining once but stopped Bc I was young and dumb.

Goals: I will start dieting February 1st. 8 weeks diet. Get down to 12 % or maybe lower bf.

Then my plan is to run a test based cycle. 6-8 weeks if prop or 10-12 if sust. At the start of April.

I'm still not sure what test to run. I'm thinking either prop or sust.

I not too fond of pinning eod day with prop Bc I hear it hurts like a bitch. But then again I don't wanna get all bloated full of water running sust. I wanna look lean for the summer while still putting on some size.

Option 1)

Test prop 100 mg eod (1-8)
Tbol 40mgs (1-4) or (4-8)
Need2guard (1-8)
Lipid stabil (1-8)
Hcgenerate (4-8)
PCT:
Torem or clomid
Unleashed and post cycle.
Bridge

Option 2)

Sust 375mg 1 a week (1-10)
Tbol 50 mgs (1-4)
Need2guard (1-10)
Lipid stabil (1-10)
Hcgenerate (4-10)
PCT:
Torem or clomid
Unleashed and post cycle
Bridge.

Not sure what AI to run during or how much?

Let me know what option u think is best for a first time user.

 

[needtogetaas]

6 ft 215lbs. 15% bf 25yrs old. Training since 16.

Previous cycles: 2 ph cycles and tried pining once but stopped Bc I was young and dumb.

Goals: I will start dieting February 1st. 8 weeks diet. Get down to 12 % or maybe lower bf.

Then my plan is to run a test based cycle. 6-8 weeks if prop or 10-12 if sust. At the start of April.

I'm still not sure what test to run. I'm thinking either prop or sust.

I not too fond of pinning eod day with prop Bc I hear it hurts like a bitch. But then again I don't wanna get all bloated full of water running sust. I wanna look lean for the summer while still putting on some size.

Option 1)

Test prop 100 mg eod (1-8)
Tbol 40mgs (1-4) or (4-8)
Need2guard (1-8)
Lipid stabil (1-8)
Hcgenerate (4-8)
PCT:
Torem or clomid
Unleashed and post cycle.
Bridge

Option 2)

Sust 375mg 1 a week (1-10)
Tbol 50 mgs (1-4)
Need2guard (1-10)
Lipid stabil (1-10)
Hcgenerate (4-10)
PCT:
Torem or clomid
Unleashed and post cycle
Bridge.

Not sure what AI to run during or how much?

Let me know what option u think is best for a first time user.

I love option one but I would replace the Torem or clomid crap with 5 pumps am and pm forma-stanzol... If you are running N2-guard you do not need the lipid stabil so there I saved you some cash... Use it to add some Need2slin 1 cap 3 times a day for the first or last 6 weeks of the cycle..

 

[joeblow12345]

I'm gonna say option 2. Prop is a great test but your not accustomed to pinning and prop hurts in Virgin muscle. The sus only has a small amount of prop in it so you will feel the sting but it won't cripple you. I also don't feel there is any less bloat on prop then sus. If you control your estrogen levels with an ai your diet is clean you'll be fine. I suggest using forma and a little adex if necessary.


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[warrior08]

Ok thanks guys.

I like the idea of only pining once a week, since it my first real time pining.

My diet should def be clean Bc I will still be trying to lean out.

What's a good dose of Adex to run? Would Adex and forma be overkill?

 

[joeblow12345]

Ok thanks guys.

I like the idea of only pining once a week, since it my first real time pining.

My diet should def be clean Bc I will still be trying to lean out.

What's a good dose of Adex to run? Would Adex and forma be overkill?

Since your running a low dose of test I wouldn't go overkill on the ais. You still want some estrogen in your body to make gains. The forma should be plenty, but if your prone to gyno you may wanna add 0.5 mg adex in there eod.


Use code joeb15 for 15% of at Ntbm.

Use code TEAM1001 at ruthless supps for a $50 off discount on transaderm and phytoserms.

 

[warrior08]

Sounds good.

Would u consider adding something like mast e to give me that hard grainy look?

Or just stay with sust since it my first cycle? And I wanna keep sides low

Is 375 to 400mg of sust enough?

I'm asking Bc I read a article needto wrote about shooting a mega dose do sust once a week was best. But maybe just for experienced users.

 

[joeblow12345]

Sounds good.

Would u consider adding something like mast e to give me that hard grainy look?

Or just stay with sust since it my first cycle? And I wanna keep sides low

Is 375 to 400mg of sust enough?

I'm asking Bc I read a article needto wrote about shooting a mega dose do sust once a week was best. But maybe just for experienced users.

I would just stick with the sus alone to see how you react to it. Towards the end of the cycle you could finish with an oral if your handling the test ok. Var or Tbol are great aas finishers, or you could run some katana to harden up. The katana is a safer option and cheaper, but will yield great results. I'd run the mast next cycle.350-400 mg test is plenty, I ran 250 mg week my first cycle and got great results.


Use code joeb15 for 15% of at Ntbm.

Use code TEAM1001 at ruthless supps for a $50 off discount on transaderm and phytoserms.

 

[dylangemelli]

your not going to kill estro or lose gains at all running an ai... you can run arimidex at .5 mg eod but aromasin will be better at 12.5 mg eod... it will keep your water down and prevent any kind of high estro... you've never run a cycle and its good to be preventative... just don't go crazy on your dosage and your good man...

as far as selection, if you get the right prop, it won't be painful... that just depends on where you get it... you don't want the bloat and you want a more lean look then run this...

1-8 test prop 100 mg eod
1-8 aromasin 12.5 mg eod
1-8 anavar 60-80 mg day
1-8 proviron 75 mg day
1-8 n2guard
5-8 hcg 500 ius week

pct 9-12

clomid 25/25/25/25 AGguys.com
Unleashed/post cycle combo IF OUT OF STOCK SUBSTITUTE WITH TEST INFUSION AND FORGED POST CYCLE AT MRSUPPS.COM
forma stanzol mrsupps.com
daa powerchews or powder

Keto burn MRSUPPS.COM

optional
ostarine 25 mg day uniquemicals.com

 

[needtogetaas]

your not going to kill estro or lose gains at all running an ai... you can run arimidex at .5 mg eod but aromasin will be better at 12.5 mg eod... it will keep your water down and prevent any kind of high estro... you've never run a cycle and its good to be preventative... just don't go crazy on your dosage and your good man...

as far as selection, if you get the right prop, it won't be painful... that just depends on where you get it... you don't want the bloat and you want a more lean look then run this...

1-8 test prop 100 mg eod
1-8 aromasin 12.5 mg eod
1-8 anavar 60-80 mg day
1-8 proviron 75 mg day
1-8 n2guard
5-8 hcg 500 ius week

pct 9-12

clomid 25/25/25/25 AGguys.com
Unleashed/post cycle combo IF OUT OF STOCK SUBSTITUTE WITH TEST INFUSION AND FORGED POST CYCLE AT MRSUPPS.COM
forma stanzol mrsupps.com
daa powerchews or powder

Keto burn MRSUPPS.COM

optional
ostarine 25 mg day uniquemicals.com

forged post cycle would be a cheaper replacement for the unleashed and post and IMO works just fine... I also like the switch to Aromasin great advice.

 

[dylangemelli]

forged post cycle would be a cheaper replacement for the unleashed and post and IMO works just fine... I also like the switch to Aromasin great advice.

I agree... I love forged... its even better when you add test infusion... =) or phytoserms...

 

[warrior08]

Ok thanks guys. I got some thinking to do.

When it comes to injecting prop can u used a smaller pin such as a 25guage?

I like prop Bc of the quick hit and the fact that it will be out of my system fast if i don't respond we'll or get sides.

But I do like the fact of only injecting once a week with sust. Hmmmm.....

 

[dylangemelli]

Ok thanks guys. I got some thinking to do.

When it comes to injecting prop can u used a smaller pin such as a 25guage?

I like prop Bc of the quick hit and the fact that it will be out of my system fast if i don't respond we'll or get sides.

But I do like the fact of only injecting once a week with sust. Hmmmm.....

25 gauge for the delt... 23 1.5 for quads