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My Final First Cycle

Chocolate_Thunder

Chocolate_Thunder

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Thanks to needtogetaas for all of the pm's and help. I couldn't have done it without your help. Thank you.

Yes, diet and training are in check.

Final results:

1-10 500 test e
1-16 .025 armidex every 3 days or as needed
1-10 HCG 500iu a week
12-16 50mg clomid
12-16 dermicrine sustain
18 bloodwork

I want to try one substance at a time to see how I react to it. If all goes well I will run this again before adding anything additional to a third cycle.

Feedback?
 
Bro Do Not Do 500mg Of Test Trust Me Only Do 250 And See How Your Body Reacts!!!!!! Whoever Told You To Do 500mg Is Wrong And Is Giving Bad Advice
 
haha no one posts but also IMO u might want to start hcg on week 3 IMO
 
hehateme000 said:
Bro Do Not Do 500mg Of Test Trust Me Only Do 250 And See How Your Body Reacts!!!!!! Whoever Told You To Do 500mg Is Wrong And Is Giving Bad Advice
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Then I find you making this post just a few post ago

hehateme000 said:
^^^^^yea get ur diet on track...that will help a lot. you can get to 185 then do a cycle. but for a first cycle if ur tryin to bulk just do 500mg testosterone enanthate EW for 10 weeks and Dianabol - methandrostenolone - weeks 1 - 4 to kick start it
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You also posted a lot of source post. You're skating on thin ice pal. Its clear you are hear to be a big mouth and you don't know shit. You flip flop a lot and talk a lot of shit. Explain your fucking self boy. Who the hell do you think you are coming in here talking shit acting like you know something when its clear you don't. We don't take nicely to fucks like you, And we put them in check real fast. Slow your role,learn something and shut your mouth. :)
 
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needtogetaas said:
Then I find you making this post just a few post ago




You also posted a lot of source post. You're skating on thin ice pal. Its clear you are here to be a big mouth and you don't know shit. You flip flop a lot and talk a lot of shit. Explain your fucking self boy. Who the hell do you think you are coming in here talking shit acting like you know something when its clear you don't. We don't take nicely to fucks like you, And we put them in check real fast. Slow your role,learn something and shut your mouth. :)
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That's a nice way to put it. Thanks again for your help. I KNOW you know what you're talkin' about.
 
syringemouth said:
That's a nice way to put it. Thanks again for your help. I KNOW you know what you're talkin' about.
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I almost always try to be nice about things, but when it comes to ass hats like this. I need to take a stand. :)
 
needtogetaas said:
Then I find you making this post just a few post ago




You also posted a lot of source post. You're skating on thin ice pal. Its clear you are here to be a big mouth and you don't know shit. You flip flop a lot and talk a lot of shit. Explain your fucking self boy. Who the hell do you think you are coming in here talking shit acting like you know something when its clear you don't. We don't take nicely to fucks like you, And we put them in check real fast. Slow your role,learn something and shut your mouth. :)
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Aren't you supposed to be a mod? Start acting like one just because someone says something that you don't agree with you shouldn't fly off the handle. Another thing people don't like being called boy. I forgot your the guru you should post up those pics again and show all your newbies that sculpted body you have from all those cycles :p
 
syringemouth said:
Thanks to needtogetaas for all of the pm's and help. I couldn't have done it without your help. Thank you.

Yes, diet and training are in check.

Final results:

1-10 500 testosterone enanthate
1-16 .025 armidex every 3 days or as needed
1-10 HCG - human chorionic gonadotropin - 500iu a week
12-16 50mg clomid
12-16 dermicrine sustain
18 bloodwork

I want to try one substance at a time to see how I react to it. If all goes well I will run this again before adding anything additional to a third cycle.

Feedback?
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Looks fine to me im glad your training and diet are on point your gonna love your first good luck remember to post updates and let everyone learn from you first .

Brad
 
mookie said:
Aren't you supposed to be a mod? Start acting like one just because someone says something that you don't agree with you shouldn't fly off the handle. Another thing people don't like being called boy. I forgot your the guru you should post up those pics again and show all your newbies that sculpted body you have from all those cycles :p
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I am acting like a mod. This guy is saying its bad advice in one post. Then giving the same advice in another post. In fact he is advising to use even more in his other post. I know people don't like being called boy. Thats why I called him that. Put aside the fact that you don't like me and look at the facts at hand. Or are you behind this? You don't think some one should call this guy out? You think its ok that a newb comes in and acts like he knows it all? all the wile contradicting himself and talking shit to every one. Get past your hate for me and stick up for the members and this board or just get of it mookie. I got nothing against you. As a vet you should be getting on him not me. Yet you rather help this guy fuck the members of this board. WHAT A SHAME!!!! A shame for some one like you to do this to members.
 
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mookie said:
Aren't you supposed to be a mod? Start acting like one just because someone says something that you don't agree with you shouldn't fly off the handle. Another thing people don't like being called boy. I forgot your the guru you should post up those pics again and show all your newbies that sculpted body you have from all those cycles :p
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WOW! :worried:
 
needtogetaas said:
I am acting like a mod. This guy is saying its bad advice in one post. Then giving the same advice in another post. In fact he is advising to use even more in his other post. I know people don't like being called boy. Thats why I called him that. Put aside the fact that you don't like me and look at the facts at hand. Or are you behind this? You don't think some one should call this guy out? You think its ok that a newb comes in and acts like he knows it all? all the wile contradicting himself and talking shit to every one. Get past your hat for me and stick up for the members and this board or just get of it mookie. I got nothing against you. As a vet you should be getting on him not me. Yet you rather help this guy fuck the members of this board. WHAT A SHAME!!!! A shame for some one like you to do this to members.
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Behind what?
 
the only thing i might suggest if you can afford it is get some bloodwork before you do your 1st cycle that way they have a baseline of what is "normal" for you.

oh, and your cycle looks fine(i prefer lower for a 1st, but if you gave your stats etc to needto, i'll defer to him)--just be patient b/c it takes a while to feel the testosterone enanthate. good luck
 
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I don't know about his other post but 250mg a week is not awful advice I would say 500mg a week too but 250mg a week for his 1st cycle is alright.
 
mookie said:
Behind what?
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i think needto means there has been a number of posts of late from people with a december 2007 join date causing all sorts of drama and sabotaging some good threads with ridiculous or wholly inconsistent statements---and people are getting mad.
 
mookie said:
I don't know about his other post but 250mg a week is not awful advice I would say 500mg a week too but 250mg a week for his 1st cycle is alright.
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inconsistent advice and bullshit slinging. He is here to talk shit and make problems. :)
 
don't listen to that fuckstick, 250mg isn't a high enough dose for a good cycle. But your cycle looks good for a first. But i dont think adex is needed for 6 weeks bro. And to everyone that doesnt know, THATS WHY YOU DONT FUCK WITH NEEDTO!!!! Thats awesome needto keep these nonothing fucks in check bro!
 
fuckin ridiculous. i say 500mg EW for a 28 y/o and its bad advice even when i said after your diet and training are in check, but here needto says 500mg and he also says 250mg is a HRT dose!!!! i thought it was 100mg???????? which one is it xrcist and needto....xrcist said 100mg and needto said 250 and they are both GOOD people WTF.
 
hehateme000 said:
fuckin ridiculous. i say 500mg EW for a 28 y/o and its bad advice even when i said after your diet and training are in check, but here needto says 500mg and he also says 250mg is a HRT dose!!!! i thought it was 100mg???????? which one is it xrcist and needto....xrcist said 100mg and needto said 250 and they are both GOOD people WTF.
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what you are missing is this from the 1st post: "Thanks to needtogetaas for all of the pm's" so in this case needto know a lot more about the bro's specific circumstances--in general, 250 is not hrt, but you do not know all the facts about this specific person and needto does--
 
hehateme000 said:
fuckin ridiculous. i say 500mg EW for a 28 y/o and its bad advice even when i said after your diet and training are in check, but here needto says 500mg and he also says 250mg is a HRT dose!!!! i thought it was 100mg???????? which one is it xrcist and needto....xrcist said 100mg and needto said 250 and they are both GOOD people WTF.
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I think 1st cycle 500mg a week is better but you can get away with 250mg a week. I had 2 friends start with 250ew with test e with good results but you can't question needto cause he is the steroid guru.
 
syringemouth said:
Thanks to needtogetaas for all of the pm's and help. I couldn't have done it without your help. Thank you.

Yes, diet and training are in check.

Final results:

1-10 500 testosterone enanthate
1-16 .025 armidex every 3 days or as needed
1-10 HCG - human chorionic gonadotropin - 500iu a week
12-16 50mg clomid
12-16 dermicrine sustain
18 bloodwork

I want to try one substance at a time to see how I react to it. If all goes well I will run this again before adding anything additional to a third cycle.

Feedback?
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Looks good but I would start the hcg around week 6 and run it into pct.
 
mookie said:
I think 1st cycle 500mg a week is better but you can get away with 250mg a week. I had 2 friends start with 250ew with testosterone enanthate with good results but you can't question needto cause he is the steroid guru.
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yea im not questioning him, its just annoying how people flame me for bein a newb and not knowing shit when i said do 500mg EW for a first cycle and that HRT is 250mg but people like xrcist says 100mg is HT and i dont knwo what im talkin about, but then needto says 250mg is HRT and that it is not even considered a cycle, it just confuses the hell out of me. Why does syringes circumstances matter if its his first cycle? If he reacts bad to test e wouldnt he rather want to do 250 like xrcist said? and not 500? i jus dont fuckin get it someone plz help me out.
 
hehateme how many cycles have u done? i did 1 and i started with 250 week for a few weeks felt nothing really, went up to 400 and was fine
 
im about to do 500mg EW of test e startin tmr....u didnt feel anything on 250?
 
no, 400 was nice for me for a 1st no sides until i hit the over 400 point, oily skin mainly, i figure thats when i had enough
 
I would probably suggested 250 a week but I'm a lower dosage suggestion guy. Also I don't know what your stats are or anything else. Needto knows his shit and I'd listen to his advice. It looks very good to me though for a cycle.
 
well its going to be a 12 week cycle, and i only have one vial right now which is 300mg/ml and its a 10ml vial...so thats 3000mg. i could use 250mg EW for 12 weeks without havin to worry about buyin another vial...?
 
hehateme000 said:
well its going to be a 12 week cycle, and i only have one vial right now which is 300mg/ml and its a 10ml vial...so thats 3000mg. i could use 250mg EW for 12 weeks without havin to worry about buyin another vial...?
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keep it simple and just do 1 CC EW...300 mgs, for 10 weeks
 
alright......i have used prohormones before but that doesnt mean i wont see any gains off 300mg since im gonna be training hard and eating a lot and clean, right?
 
hehateme000 said:
alright......i have used prohormones before but that doesnt mean i wont see any gains off 300mg since im gonna be training hard and eating a lot and clean, right?
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you will see gains on 300 mg EW. How many bottles do you have? If it's just 1 then IMO this is the most logical way to run it.

If it's your first cycle this dose should work as well
 
1 vial, and first cycle :) im startin tmr hope it all goes well....

one more question. i just got over bein sick for the last couple of days and i font want to get test flu would that be bad to get test flu right after i was sick?
 
hehateme000 said:
1 vial, and first cycle :) im startin tmr hope it all goes well....

one more question. i just got over bein sick for the last couple of days and i font want to get test flu would that be bad to get test flu right after i was sick?
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Test flu is either going to happen or not IMO. your body either accepts or rejects regardless of your existing immune system. I'm not a doctor this is just my take on test flu

I mean it wouldn't be optimal to get it, obviously.

My guess is that if you were planning to start tomorrow you are going to start tomorrow. :)

good luck and post your progress

do you have your p'c't & ancillaries?
 
Acela said:
Test flu is either going to happen or not IMO. your body either accepts or rejects regardless of your existing immune system. I'm not a doctor this is just my take on test flu

I mean it wouldn't be optimal to get it, obviously.

My guess is that if you were planning to start tomorrow you are going to start tomorrow. :)

good luck and post your progress

do you have your p'c't & ancillaries?
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haha got you...and thanks i will post it up. ya this is what y cycle is

week 1-10 = test e 300mg EW (Mon)
week 1-10 = proviron 25mg ED
week 3-10 = hcg 250 iu 2x EW (Mon/Thur)
week 12-16 = clomid 50mg ED
week 12-16 = nolva 40/20/20/20

i dont have an AI, i dont really think ill need one. how does it look....should i get one?
 
hehateme000 said:
haha got you...and thanks i will post it up. ya this is what y cycle is

week 1-10 = testosterone enanthate 300mg EW (Mon)
week 1-10 = proviron 25mg ED
week 3-10 = HCG - human chorionic gonadotropin - - human chorionic gonadotropin - 250 iu 2x EW (Mon/Thur)
week 12-16 = clomid 50mg ED
week 12-16 = Nolvaldex - tamoxifen citrate - 40/20/20/20

i dont have an aromatase inhibitor, i dont really think ill need one. how does it look....should i get one?
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IMO you could use the nolv if any gynecomastia occured but @ that dose you should be good

that looks well laidout
 
hehateme000 said:
haha got you...and thanks i will post it up. ya this is what y cycle is

week 1-10 = testosterone enanthate 300mg EW (Mon)
week 1-10 = proviron 25mg ED
week 3-10 = HCG - human chorionic gonadotropin - 250 iu 2x EW (Mon/Thur)
week 12-16 = clomid 50mg ED
week 12-16 = Nolvaldex - tamoxifen citrate - 40/20/20/20

i dont have an aromatase inhibitor, i dont really think ill need one. how does it look....should i get one?
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Bro it looks ok you could treek a few thing but start your own threat this is syringemouths .

Brad. :qt:
 
hehateme000 said:
haha got you...and thanks i will post it up. ya this is what y cycle is

week 1-10 = testosterone enanthate 300mg EW (Mon)
week 1-10 = proviron 25mg ED
week 3-10 = HCG - human chorionic gonadotropin - 250 iu 2x EW (Mon/Thur)
week 12-16 = clomid 50mg ED
week 12-16 = Nolvaldex - tamoxifen citrate - 40/20/20/20

i dont have an aromatase inhibitor, i dont really think ill need one. how does it look....should i get one?
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Always have one.
 
Needto, I thought Test E had a half life of ~21 days? Is it less then that, and is that why the PCT is started 2 weeks after the final shot?
 
mookie said:
Aren't you supposed to be a mod? Start acting like one just because someone says something that you don't agree with you shouldn't fly off the handle. Another thing people don't like being called boy. I forgot your the guru you should post up those pics again and show all your newbies that sculpted body you have from all those cycles :p
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Easy Mookie. He didn't mean anything racial using the term 'boy.'
 
eddymerckx said:
the only thing i might suggest if you can afford it is get some bloodwork before you do your 1st cycle that way they have a baseline of what is "normal" for you.

oh, and your cycle looks fine(i prefer lower for a 1st, but if you gave your stats etc to needto, i'll defer to him)--just be patient b/c it takes a while to feel the testosterone enanthate. good luck
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That is excellent advice.
 
Jumpmaster82 said:
don't listen to that fuckstick, 250mg isn't a high enough dose for a good cycle. But your cycle looks good for a first. But i dont think Arimidex - anastrozole - is needed for 6 weeks bro. And to everyone that doesnt know, THATS WHY YOU DONT FUCK WITH NEEDTO!!!! Thats awesome needto keep these nonothing fucks in check bro!
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I think that Slat would disagree with 250mg not being a good first cycle. If I can quote him right, he has 8 abs, used to eat less than 50g carbs per day, and can still grow on 250mg of test per week.

I think 500mg will yield better results of course and I don't subscribe to the idea that you will always have to use more to get results.

But Needto's cycle for this guy is good. Even if someone disagrees they don't need to bash Needto for the way he set it up. A lot of these can really be designed based around personal preferences. But for someone to give conflicting advice and then bash Needto on his advice is pretty stupid.
 
racingmason said:
Needto, I thought testosterone enanthate had a half life of ~21 days? Is it less then that, and is that why the PCT - post cycle therapy - is started 2 weeks after the final shot?
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The half life of enanthate, which I see quoted the most, is 10.5 days. Some have said that it is more like 5 days which is why you shoot monday/thursday. Since I believe it is 10.5 days shooting on a schedule like that or even every 5th day will keep the blood levels stable.

Thus PCT is started 2 weeks out since 50% of the compound will be in your system at that point and you are trying to stimulate your body into resuming production of its natural T.

There is no true definitive answer that says it will work better for YOU if you do it on week 2 or wait until week three, but clearly you want exogenous levels to start dropping before trying to coax your body into producing T again.
 
st8grad said:
The half life of enanthate, which I see quoted the most, is 10.5 days. Some have said that it is more like 5 days which is why you shoot monday/thursday. Since I believe it is 10.5 days shooting on a schedule like that or even every 5th day will keep the blood levels stable.

Thus PCT - post cycle therapy - is started 2 weeks out since 50% of the compound will be in your system at that point and you are trying to stimulate your body into resuming production of its natural T.

There is no true definitive answer that says it will work better for YOU if you do it on week 2 or wait until week three, but clearly you want exogenous levels to start dropping before trying to coax your body into producing T again.
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Well i have heard and read a few different posts, i must have gotten myself confused.
 
hehateme000 said:
Bro Do Not Do 500mg Of Test Trust Me Only Do 250 And See How Your Body Reacts!!!!!! Whoever Told You To Do 500mg Is Wrong And Is Giving Bad Advice
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uh...since when is 500mg a lot of test? 250mg is practically nothing bro. He is fine with 500mg EW.
 
hehateme000 said:
Bro Do Not Do 500mg Of Test Trust Me Only Do 250 And See How Your Body Reacts!!!!!! Whoever Told You To Do 500mg Is Wrong And Is Giving Bad Advice
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correct me if im wrong hehe but is that not the exact same amount u said you were cycling?

even if it wasnt, there is nothing wrong with 500mg pw even for a 1st cycle.
 
hehateme000 said:
ok well i dont think a lot of you understand the ONLY reason i said that was bad advice is because i had said for some one to do 500mg EW for their first cycle and people flamed me for it, im about to run 500mg EW ---- big nad ur right!! and perryscoon that is EXACTLY my point jus look at the other thread where they were bashin me

http://www.elitefitness.com/forum/steroids-discussion-forum/first-timer-suggestions-576774.html
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Ok. ENOUGH! STOP! You're getting paranoid. If someone doesn't agree with you then so be it.

You're probably a good person but this back and fourth with "he said...I'm getting bashed...blah, blah, blah". WHO CARES! LET IT GO.

If you want information ask. If you want to point fingers and cry go somewhere else.
 
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