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Cycle # : 1

Compounds Used :
EQ 600mg Weekly Winstrol 50mg Daily

Why did I choose these? :
I believe first cycle should be primarily mild anabolics. I wanted lean muscle gain with no fat or bloat. Had a photo shoot scheduled and wanted to look good.

Cycle Length :
Very long.

End Results :
Scale showed 11 pounds gained at end, however as my overall BF% dropped some more the actual amount gained was higher.

PCT :
None

What I Liked About This Cycle :
It did much better than what I expected it too. Without strong androgens it was easy to make more accurate notes and observations by how my diet would need to change with my body in an anabolic environment. I always had followed a high protein, moderate fat, low carb diet for years and learned that to make gains I could increase the protein higher or simply add a bit more complex carbs in the mornings.

What I Didn't Like About This Cycle :
Nothing really.

Would I Do This Cycle Again (what, if any, changes would I make?) :
Yes, have done variations of this since with test involved. I think this is an excellent cycle base for beginners to start off with for their first cycle.

Additional Comments :
Despite the length and running winstrol 50mg ED, I never experienced any problems with sore joints, hair problems, dry skin or other annoying side effects that winstrol usually brings to users.



Cycle # : 2

Compounds Used :
NPP / Test Cyp

Why did I choose these? :
NPP was the darling of the AAS forum at that time and I decided to try it as the deca dick could be overcome much easier if it occurred.

Cycle Length :
5-7 shots

End Results :
Horrible

PCT :
None

What I Liked About This Cycle :
Nothing

What I Didn't Like About This Cycle :
Everything. Pain lumps etc..

Would I Do This Cycle Again (what, if any, changes would I make?) :
Hell no.

Additional Comments :
I am one of the few that has a severe reaction to NPP. I tried 2 different UG labs plus the Dubols (sp?) brand and another Euro verision. Each time I would inject, I would literally have a baseball size lump the next day. Red. Hot. And I could push it with my finger and the indention that my finger made in the area would still be there hours later. It was like I had flaming hot Silly Putty underneath my skin. I took a chest shot and my pec looked like it had started growing a nose in the middle. Terrible shit.


Cycle # : 3

Compounds Used :
Tren 75mg ED, BTG Anavar 20mg ED, Cyp 400mg weekly

Why did I choose these? :
Got my hands on legit anavar and went the homemade tren route. Thought because of my bodyweight at the time (254) I would need some strong compounds to get up over 265.

Cycle Length :
5 weeks

End Results :
Depends on what you consider results

PCT :
None

What I Liked About This Cycle :
Tren Strength Anavar hardness

What I Didn't Like About This Cycle :
I started at 254 lbs and 5 weeks later I ended at 254lbs (about 2% less BF). Loss of appetite, tren breath, weird feeling like I was slowly poisoning myself.

Would I Do This Cycle Again (what, if any, changes would I make?) :

Would only use tren at EOD basis.

Additional Comments :
While using this, tren absolutely killed my appetite. I don't mean I wasn't just not hungry but the sheer THOUGHT of food would practically make me gag. I couldn't go to the movies because the smell of popcorn made me dry heave. Many days I only had ONE meal per day. And that was a protein shake. The other days I never had more than 2 meals. That would consist of one protein shake (40 grams, not the usual 60 grams) post training and a small breakfast in the mornings.
Despite not even breaking 800 calories daily for 5 weeks, my weight did not change. I would have thought that with so little food I would have weighed less after a couple of days, and most certainly after 5 weeks. But in this case I didn't.


Cycle # : 4

Compounds Used :
1 gram test cyp weekly 800mg EQ weekly 20mg BTG anavar daily 3-4 ius HGH daily (3 days on, 1 day off pattern)

Why did I choose these? :
EQ and anavar had treated me well, I had enough test cyp stocked up and decided to see what kind of magic hitting 1 gram weekly would do

Cycle Length :
14 weeks (though started the HGH 6 weeks prior to cycle)

End Results :
Bigger, fatter, bloated

PCT :
None

What I Liked About This Cycle :
A 415lb incline for 9 reps

What I Didn't Like About This Cycle :
Bloat

Would I Do This Cycle Again (what, if any, changes would I make?) :
Would not use test over 500mg weekly again

Additional Comments :
It is a bit unfair to say this cycle made me fat and bloated. I was bloated while on it, but I was taking in more carbs than normal. Keep in mind I eat low carbs (under 100 grams) year around. So the extra carbs I was eating here could have contributed to that feeling. I am sure I could have dropped the carbs and used something like aromasin and aldactone to shed the water.
Also, I took my last shot on a Friday and three days later on Monday I went to Europe for 3.5 weeks. 2 weeks of those was on a cruise ship where I simply ate everything that was in front of me. (who doesn't?) Drank quite a bit during the nights and despite fucking several times per day, I was not burning more calories than I was taking in. Mainly because I was insisting on them doing all the work during the fucking.
I came home and 2 days later I left for 8 days to Cabo San Lucas. Which if any of you have been, you know exactly what I did. Drink, eat, Drink, fuck, Drink more.

Another drawback (for me) was that I had gotten too strong in the gym. Most people like that and often try to "see how much they can lift". However, tendons are slower to catch up in terms of strength adjustments than muscles and sometimes I would feel as though I was getting too strong and directly putting myself at risk for a blowout or tear by adding more and more weight to the bar. I tended to train with higher reps (12-15) during this cycle.
 
Nice summary.

Are you currently running primo?

I never touched tren. It's pretty much the only compound I haven't used yet.

Thinking about doing a very modest 50mg EOD of tren ace just to see how I will react. I will only be using it with a moderate dose of test.
 
Cycle # : 5

Compounds Used :
30mg BTG Anavar, 30mg Stenox (halo) daily, 400mg primo weekly, T4 200mcg / T3 50mcg daily, 3 ius HGH daily

Why did I choose these? :
Anabolic properties, no water retention, perfect for cutting. This was 5 months after last cycle and winter was here - at least winter for this area which was still 78-80 on it's coldest day. Was going to shed the fat I got from the last go around.

Cycle Length :
8-10 weeks (can't remember exactly)

End Results :
Perfect. Shredded to the extent that I was after the first EQ/winstrol cycle.

PCT :
None

What I Liked About This Cycle :
IT WORKED! Seeing the body tighten and the fat leave was very motivating.

What I Didn't Like About This Cycle :
Nothing

Would I Do This Cycle Again (what, if any, changes would I make?) :

Most definately if I ever wanted to get dry and vascular to the point of looking gross.

Additional Comments :
Dropped back to my typical low carb diet, followed the German Volume Training principles but with a slight twist for all my training. These two changes were the most effective means I could do to burn fat the fastest way possible. The AAS simply enhanced and retained what I had.
 
My favorite part is your minimal use of Test and lack of PCT. I genuinely appreciate your personal experience. I really dig your advice bro, but you knew that..enough pulling on your cack.

Cycle #5 seems like it's something to try out.
 
My favorite part is your minimal use of Test and lack of PCT. I genuinely appreciate your personal experience. I really dig your advice bro, but you knew that..enough pulling on your cack.

Cycle #5 seems like it's something to try out.

I'm quite shocked too as it seems like bodybuilding law here on these forums is to always use test and always use PCT.

Thanks for sharing bro.

I love Eq, Anavar, and Winny btw :p
 
I'm quite shocked too as it seems like bodybuilding law here on these forums is to always use test and always use PCT.

Thanks for sharing bro.

I love Eq, Anavar, and Winny btw :p

most of the info on the boards is generic and sometimes motive driven (not to say that of this board). But until I started following AAP's posts on these boards I had no clue that high dose Test is not my friend..me in particular I aromatize like a mofo..my body holds a lot of E related fat and my cycle options were more what everyone is doing as opposed to what would work well for my body. Higher androgenic cycles do some people well :D

People like AAP are few and far between.. They provide a different perspective with facts to back it up.. There are a thousand ways to skin a cat, why kill a thousand cats when you can just talk to a thousand cat killers...errr..or something.
 
It really makes me re-think my next cycle to be honest. A test base seems to be the general concensus around here, but seeing people achieve their goals (which in some cases are similar to mine) without a test base is both interesting and exciting.
 
my results with 300 to 400mg of test with low dose ai has blown my bloated results of high test and deca/eq/etc. out of the water. alittle goes a real long way.
 
Are you currently running primo?

I am currently running :

100mg Prop / 100mg Primo EOD
50mg anavar daily


I after this is over next month I will stay off until January or Febuary and then do :

200mg Masteron Enanthate / 200mg Primo EOD
25-50mg Proviron ED
4 ius HGH
 
how do you feel after coming off since it looks as though you never do PCT

Never really noticed much of a difference to be honest. I don't get a "crash" like most people say. I don't plan a cycle for XXX amount of time and then end. I generally end a cycle when I am feeling tired on a regular basis due to CNS overloading for so long, or grow bored (mental fatigue) with doing injections or just sick of eating so much.

I lose a bit of strength in the gym, not much, simply an extra rep or two on the basic exercises for chest and legs. But this isn't even noticed because when I come off I normally start training a new way for the next 8-10 weeks anyway.

I have used HCG in the past but it was during cycle, about 500 ius E4D or so. (Or basically whenever I could remember it.) Took it SQ. But it wasn't because I "needed" it. I took it along with dostinex, clomid, and cialis just for the after effect. Nothing else.
 
Aap what's your current stats and diet look like?

I go between 258-262 sometimes. Depending on when I weigh. But I only weigh myself about once every two weeks. Right now it isn't about being heavier as it is about looking thicker.

Diet wise, I am just coasting now. Nothing special, no direct purpose of having a special attention to diet each day. I am not trying to gain weight or lose fat. So I eat whenever, whatever. But it is still "normal" for me with low carbs, high protein.

It is 240PM now, this is what I have had so far.

8AM my usual Muscle Building Cocktail that I have posted here before with BCAAs and the works.
30mg Var

Shower, dress, etc

830AM
3 whole Omega eggs
2 servings liquid egg whites
4 slices turkey bacon

11AM
1 scoop whey isolate
1/4 cup oats

1PM
2 grilled chicken breasts
1 serving cashews

at 4 I will have another one of my little vitamin cocktails and last 20mg of Var and from 5-6 take a nap.

730 - have to take a client to dinner so will probably have surf and turf.

1030 - another vitamin mix

That is just today. I am not taking in a lot of food because I am not training today, I am not being overly active and will be taking a nap.

Tomorrow when I do train on that day, I will have more protein and healthy fats prior. But a smaller meal(s) post training in the evening and night without red meat but a very small serving of leafy greens for the earlier one.

If I were trying to grow, I would be having 3 protein shakes per day with 2 scoops (45+ grams) in each one. If I were cutting, I would be having 3 per day but with about 30 grams in each. Since I am doing neither I am limiting my supplement type protein as much as possible. Real food will always do better.
 
I am currently running :

100mg Prop / 100mg Primo EOD
50mg anavar daily


I'm starting to think along these lines also, except run the var at 60mg/day.

I was initially going to run with Tren-Ace, but I don't think it fits my goals as well as this cycle would.
 
Never really noticed much of a difference to be honest. I don't get a "crash" like most people say. I don't plan a cycle for XXX amount of time and then end. I generally end a cycle when I am feeling tired on a regular basis due to CNS overloading for so long, or grow bored (mental fatigue) with doing injections or just sick of eating so much.
I lose a bit of strength in the gym, not much, simply an extra rep or two on the basic exercises for chest and legs. But this isn't even noticed because when I come off I normally start training a new way for the next 8-10 weeks anyway.

I have used HCG in the past but it was during cycle, about 500 ius E4D or so. (Or basically whenever I could remember it.) Took it SQ. But it wasn't because I "needed" it. I took it along with dostinex, clomid, and cialis just for the after effect. Nothing else.

^^^ I like the idea behind this.
 
Great info mate .


Brad.
 
Never really noticed much of a difference to be honest. I don't get a "crash" like most people say. I don't plan a cycle for XXX amount of time and then end. I generally end a cycle when I am feeling tired on a regular basis due to CNS overloading for so long, or grow bored (mental fatigue) with doing injections or just sick of eating so much.

I lose a bit of strength in the gym, not much, simply an extra rep or two on the basic exercises for chest and legs. But this isn't even noticed because when I come off I normally start training a new way for the next 8-10 weeks anyway.

I have used HCG in the past but it was during cycle, about 500 ius E4D or so. (Or basically whenever I could remember it.) Took it SQ. But it wasn't because I "needed" it. I took it along with dostinex, clomid, and cialis just for the after effect. Nothing else.


I feel the same way bro. I kinda plan cycle length to get an idea, but run it till whenever...longer, shorter, increase or decrease doses depending on how i feel. I totally understand being sick of injections, it can be a real de-motivator.

Tren for me kills my appetite too. Alot of times the thought of food nauseates me. Seems to constipate me too in some wierd way. :p
 
Geez,

I haven't posted here in years. This thread caught my eye. I agree with it on many points. The two biggest points that I agree with (although most others wont) is that the doses are quite moderate and there is minimal test which leads to less unwanted sides and drastic weight fluctuations. I also will touch on the PCT. I do believe in PCT but everyone responds differently. I have given up on taking boatloads of SERMs and AIs post cycle. For me, it feels like I am post-poning the crash and just adding more chemicals into my body. I never cycle on specific dates either. I have a time frame and goals that I wish to accomplish but life happens. Sometimes I hit them sooner and sometime I have to extend it out further.

This is a complicated game and everyone is going to respond different. Its nice to see some different views..
 
AAP,

Thanks for posting your cycles. This is a lot of food for thought. Would you mind if I ask a few follow-up questions? As background, I was pretty committed to the gym and ran a few cycles about 10 years ago, then fell off the wagon, but I have been working out seriously again for about two years and am now considering a new cycle. Also, I hurt my back when I first started up again and, in addition to putting on some lean mass, I want to try the cycle to see if it will help with that.

1. How is your current Primo/Prop/Anavar cycle going?
2. Would you recommend trying your Cycle #1 with Primo instead of EQ? If not, is there anything else you would recommend to substitute for the EQ? (I got good results in the past from Primo, but never from EQ)
3. I am interested that you never use PCT. I used to do the same, but now that I am over 35, I wonder if I need it. I don't know how old you are, but do you think that matters?
4. Do you have any recommendations on what would be a good cycle in my situation?

Thanks for your time.
 
AAP,

Thanks for posting your cycles. This is a lot of food for thought. Would you mind if I ask a few follow-up questions? As background, I was pretty committed to the gym and ran a few cycles about 10 years ago, then fell off the wagon, but I have been working out seriously again for about two years and am now considering a new cycle. Also, I hurt my back when I first started up again and, in addition to putting on some lean mass, I want to try the cycle to see if it will help with that.

1. How is your current Primo/Prop/Anavar cycle going?
2. Would you recommend trying your Cycle #1 with Primo instead of EQ? If not, is there anything else you would recommend to substitute for the EQ? (I got good results in the past from Primo, but never from EQ)
3. I am interested that you never use PCT. I used to do the same, but now that I am over 35, I wonder if I need it. I don't know how old you are, but do you think that matters?
4. Do you have any recommendations on what would be a good cycle in my situation?

Thanks for your time.

1 - It is coming to a close. I really could not have been happier. It performed as excellent as I had thought it would. Better than I hoped really.
I will not hesitate and do this cycle again.

2 - I wouldn't encourage anyone to do that cycle (or any cycle) with winstrol for as long as I did mine. I would do it no more than 16 weeks max. Primo would definately work. Perhaps even better than EQ if you get legit primo. Chances are, unless you use a reputable source, you are going to get EQ anyway but just pay primo prices for it.
legit primo is going to be expensive to run at 600mg weekly.

3 - I am 33. I am not saying I haven't used hcg, I have but during the cycle at times simply what "see what the fuss was about". This might sound weird, but I have never had shrunken balls. They seem to be the same size all the time. Hcg simply made them hang a bit lower in my sac. Not much, but my testicles felt the same size when I was checking them (which is several times per day because I can't stop playing with myself. :worried: ) when I was on hcg and off. But then again, I don't get many steroid sides at all. Winstrol didn't hurt my joints or affect my hair, test (or anything else) doesn't make me break out, I don't get mood swings. Other than the appetite loss from tren and the lumps from NPP I don't experience AAS related sides.

Whether you need PCT or not is an individual choice. Granted, I am sure I really DID need it post cycle, but I simply didn't use it. There is a theory of mine of why I didn't suffer a crash or loss in size post cycle either. I will type it out later tonight if I can.

You may need it. then again, why not just do it and avoid the risk? The entire protocol is cheap, so it's not like there is a legitimate reason for not doing. In my case, I was just lazy and tired of needles.

4 - A good cycle to recommend for you is really a hard thing to answer honestly. Because I don't know what kind of shape you are in, your starting point (stats today), where you want to end up (goals), the type of training you do, your diet, what you have tried in the past and how that worked for you or not, etc..

What I see from the bit of info you gave is that you have a training background and cycle history so you are not a newbie. It has been a while since you cycled and you are looking for lean mass.
But what is your weight right now? Bodyfat %? How often are you working out weekly? What type of training?

For me to help you get from Point A to Point B it is going to take more than just recommending you a cycle of AAS to use. AAS is really just 1/4th of the equation. Sometimes not even that much. AAS will yield results for sure, but bringing the other three factors of diet, training, and recovery into the spotlight and finetuning them will help maximize your results even more.
 
Wow, thanks very much for such a full and thoughtful reply! This is incredibly helpful.

Your point that the primo being sold now is actually EQ is interesting. I am looking into a couple of sources, but I have been out of the game for a while, so I really won't be able to be sure that the source I end up going with is legit. So, considering that EQ would definitely be cheaper, I might just try that first. Then again, I just didn't seem to get good results from it the one time I used it before. Assuming I can't get legit primo and I don't want to use EQ, is there anything else you'd recommend?

The reasons I avoided PCT in the past were because it gave me headaches and nightmares (I am jealous that you never get any side effects!) and I seemed to recover naturally anyway. My cycles were usually no more than 10 weeks, and with milders drugs it didn't seem to repress my own hormones too much. I don't know if that will be the case 10 years later. I plan to have some form of PCT on hand as a precaution no matter what, but I will probably see how I feel at the end of the cycle.

Sorry for not including more background about myself. I am currently 5'11, ~195, ~10% bf. At my best, I was about 215, 8% bf. I'd love to get there again, but that is probably not realistic in one cycle. I love being active, so my goal is to get bigger and leaner, but also to stay fit, active and healthy as long as I can. I work out 6 days/wk, one day lifting, next day cardio (run, bike, swim). I don't have one set routine for lifting days -- it depends on how I feel, but I generally keep the reps between 8–12. As for diet, I think I eat fairly clean because I prepare most of my own meals. Today, for example, I had: Breakfast (oats, plain yogurt, protein shake); Snack (apple, 2 hard boiled eggs); Lunch (roast turkey on multigrain with mustard, banana); Snack (peanuts and raisins); Dinner (lean flank steak with green beans and rice). I cheat a little on the weekends, though -- I have a soft spot for ice cream -- and when work is busy, my biggest problem is skipping meals.

Glad to hear your current cycle was such a success. Congrats, and thanks again for your help!
 
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