My cycle diff did not go according to plan

[xlebballax]

Stats before first pin:

23 years old 6'3 210 lbs at 12% bf

Initial plan was a 16 week cycle

Week 1-16 sus 250 @ 500mg/week
Week 1-16 eq 200 @ 600 mg/week
Week 10-16 tren 75mg eod

Arimidex from day 1
Pct forma stan and nolva @ 20mg ed

Letro on hand, since I'm sensitive to gyno.

Due to my biggest nightmare of gyno this cycle took a huge turn.


By week 6 I was at my strongest, benching 405 twice and 315 7 times.
Big size difference in arms , shoulders, chest, back and legs.
I included cardio a couple times a week, and I was building massive lean muscle. I was lovin it.

Stat at week 6

225 lbs at 10% bf

Then ... One morning gyno struck.
Sensitivity and a good size lump under and around the nipple.

I was very surprised to see that since I was doing everything according to the book as I should say.

But anyways, I didn't want to kill my cycle so I decided to make some changes

Since gyno
Week 6 I decreased as follows:

Sus to 400mg/week
Eq to 400mg/week

Week 7 i started letro at .5 per day

I also decided that tren is a terrible Idea and I decided on masteron instead as more of a lean approach.

Gyno was suppressed but not gone.


Entering week 9 (present time)
Stats 225lbs 9% bf

I started masteron at 300mg/week
And forma stan 2 to 3 times a day.
I also up'd letro to .5 am and .5 pm.

Still more gyno

I'm debating dropping the sus to 250 a week to see if gyno will go away or not.

Wat do u guys think?

I'm gunna run masteron and eq all the way thru with forma and letro as well.

Pct ill continue forma with nolva at 20mg and if gyno is still there letro as well.


Any suggestions are greatly appreciated ... Thanks guys! One love

 

[stevesmi]

where was your anti-prolactin?

 

[xlebballax]

where was your anti-prolactin?

Anti-prolactin for wat? I never took tren.

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[stevesmi]

^^^ i thought you ran the tren then switched to mast.

i would lay off any aromatizing compounds for now.. seems like you are very gyno prone. primo, var, mast, these are good choices for you

 

[TheSVPdeal]

^^I agree^^

The sus took a few weeks to really kick in. So at 6 weeks with that kinda problem off of 500mg of test, you are way sensitive.

Sorry Bro. Everyone is different. Run what works best for your body and Steve told you exactly that.

 

[xlebballax]

Ya u guys are right ... It's sad coz I really enjoy the tests.

Sus is out of the question from today on, I did 200mg this week and next week will b none. I'll decrease my eq this week by half to ultimately stop it. I'll continue the masteron for the remaining time left and probably add in winni or var :sigh:

Thanks my friends

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[MattJS]

What dose did you run your arimidex at? Did you try increasing it?

 

[xlebballax]

I started at .5 eod then I went to .5 ed and again moved up to 1 a day. It was definitely too mild for my case

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[Judo Tom]

stop the eq now.. thats gonna take a long time to clear..

id get a single ester test and run it at a low dose

up the forma dosage as well.

 

[xlebballax]

stop the eq now.. thats gonna take a long time to clear..

id get a single ester test and run it at a low dose

up the forma dosage as well.

To my knowledge, tests are way more likely to cause gyno than eq.


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[obsessedwliftin]

To my knowledge, tests are way more likely to cause gyno than eq.


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Bro eq aromatizes as well. As long as u never ran the tren no need for anti prolactin. Plus Masteron would help w that as well. I would stop completely and keep running the letro and Forma. Then taper off the letro. Maybe also add in a suicide aromatose inhibitor on next cycle ans run a single ester test like mentioned above.

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[xlebballax]

Wat If I stop eq and sus ... Keep the masteron, include prop at low dose ? Along with letro and forma

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[obsessedwliftin]

Wat If I stop eq and sus ... Keep the masteron, include prop at low dose ? Along with letro and forma

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Worth a try! I would dose the prop 100mgs eod. And definitely keep the mast in. Any signs of gyno getting worse then kill the cycle.

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[xlebballax]

Worth a try! I would dose the prop 100mgs eod. And definitely keep the mast in. Any signs of gyno getting worse then kill the cycle.

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I like this idea my man.... I'm trading my brother for his prop and giving him my sus. Thanks for ur help bro

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[rustilldown]

I have run test e at 500 and eq 600 with no ai and had no gyno symptoms, ran sust 350 and after 1 week I had itchy nipps, bloat , and cranky as fuck at 600mg /week so I shut er down immediately. In my opinion mixing esters is garbage. I was shooting the sust every day too.

 

[johnnyboy3689282]

Its the test thats giving you gyno.. The aromatizing is killing you... I would go to 1mg ED of your Arimidex... I wouldnt use any of your nolva... The problem i have with nolva is once your done using it, the estrogen comes back.... and it cause more from roaming estrogen at time of use... I would get some clomid or Torem and run it at a low dose like 25mg ed.... PCT of course... Have you ever ran just one ester of test and had gyno?

BTW Prolactin protection would be Cabergoline, and when using Nolvadex with a Nandrolone, your risk of prolactin and gyno might rise.... i say might... But nolva should never be used in PCT, PCT of the 60s dude....

 

[Judo Tom]

you wanna stop the eq now because the half life is so long and it does amortize. around 50% as much as test but still.

You need to find a good ai that you can handle and get to experimenting with cycles that are either test free or have a very low dose of test.

 

[Nelson Montana]

What do you do if your head hurts from banging it against a wall?

 

[xlebballax]

Its the test thats giving you gyno.. The aromatizing is killing you... I would go to 1mg ED of your Arimidex... I wouldnt use any of your nolva... The problem i have with nolva is once your done using it, the estrogen comes back.... and it cause more from roaming estrogen at time of use... I would get some clomid or Torem and run it at a low dose like 25mg ed.... PCT of course... Have you ever ran just one ester of test and had gyno?

BTW Prolactin protection would be Cabergoline, and when using Nolvadex with a Nandrolone, your risk of prolactin and gyno might rise.... i say might... But nolva should never be used in PCT, PCT of the 60s dude....

I've never mixed esters before.

My first cycle was sus at 750mg ew
And primo 300mg ew.

I got gyno at the last week of the cycle and it went away immediately.



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[xlebballax]

What do you do if your head hurts from banging it against a wall?

Sometimes a little pain is worth the gain. But I understand wat u mean, ur right.

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[-SD-]

Theres always gyno surgery and also make sure they remove the glands and you will never get gyno again no matter what youre taking

 

[stevesmi]

you should definately talk to CK. he gets gyno here and there but he has fought it off.

he uses a lot of masteron, proviron.. that seems to be his bread and butter

 

[xlebballax]

I took my second masteron pin last night! I woke up this morning and gyno is almost gone!!!! I swear feels like a miracle. OVER night?!?!?!
The mix of forma letro and mast is def helping. This is exciting. Still laying off the eq and sus. Maybeeeee a lowww dose of prop next week

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[xlebballax]

you should definately talk to CK. he gets gyno here and there but he has fought it off.

he uses a lot of masteron, proviron.. that seems to be his bread and butter

I pmed CK a couple weeks ago. His advice was pretty much run letro all the way thru pct. And prami but I havnt had much decrease in sex drive. Still very active.

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[TheSVPdeal]

What do you do if your head hurts from banging it against a wall?

Umm, stop bangin' it against the wall.

 

[rich_89]

How much adex were you running from day one? Your on cycle dose i mean? You never specified?

And why such a complicated cycle for the first cycle? You should just run one ester of test and assess your tolerance. I'm sensetive to gyno, and im just goign to run test e and see how i get on.

Letro will kill your gyno, 1mg a day for a month will smash it like a freight train.

 

[xlebballax]

How much adex were you running from day one? Your on cycle dose i mean? You never specified?

And why such a complicated cycle for the first cycle? You should just run one ester of test and assess your tolerance. I'm sensetive to gyno, and im just goign to run test e and see how i get on.

Letro will kill your gyno, 1mg a day for a month will smash it like a freight train.

I was doing .5 eod of arimidex from day one .. then went to .5 ed when I saw gyno symptoms.
Its not my first cycle, its my 3rd. But 1st time to use 2 aromatizing compounds together

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[stevesmi]

I took my second masteron pin last night! I woke up this morning and gyno is almost gone!!!! I swear feels like a miracle. OVER night?!?!?!
The mix of forma letro and mast is def helping. This is exciting. Still laying off the eq and sus. Maybeeeee a lowww dose of prop next week

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yeah you are gonna have to stick with masteron in every cycle or proviron.

 

[rich_89]

I was doing .5 eod of arimidex from day one .. then went to .5 ed when I saw gyno symptoms.
Its not my first cycle, its my 3rd. But 1st time to use 2 aromatizing compounds together

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Sorry, by first pin i justv wrongly assumed it was first cycle, i apologise. But i'm still confused after i've re read your post.

However, it seems to me to get from France to Spain you went via the USA! What i mean is why not just up your adex dose to at LEAST 0.5mg ed if you had gyno symptoms? Why introduce letro as well as the adex? Seems like a lot of messing around.