My Current Pics...What should I do from here?

[reelbig004]

Alright bros. I finally grew some nuts and am posting my pics. I am currently at the following stats and am natural:

24 years old
6'3"
185-190 pounds
7-8% BF

I know I need to gain some muscle. I have toyed with the idea of running a Var only cycle, but am concerned due to my long history of facial acne (which I have posted about). If my hopes are to gain about 15 pounds of quality muscle over the next 6-12 months, what would all of you recomend? Where should I go from here? Thanks as always.

 

[cyrex]

Var only cycle info:
http://www.expertpcsupport.com/forum/showthread.php?t=463341

I think you can easily gain another 30 lbs on your own in the next 6-12 months by just eating...

get 4000 calories a day and lift hard.

 

[njmuscleguy]

cyrex: I can't put on 30 lbs even on the junk, let alone naturally! then again, my natural test was never very cooperative, even at 24!

reelbig: I'm guessing this is your first cycle? Is there a reason why you wanna do a var-only cycle? are you open to doin' injectables?

 

[mphowells]

Given your size and your age and the fact that your only 7-8%bf I'd definitly go for the eating approach. You can afford to take on shit loads of cals at the bf%.

I really don't think you'd have a problem getting to your goal with just food mate. I have/had acne problems (accutane was great) and did a var only cycle. had no problems with the var but the clomid during PCT did raise it for a month of two. So if you do decide to do roids then may be worth looking into different PCT.

Hope this helps.

 

[cyrex]

cyrex: I can't put on 30 lbs even on the junk, let alone naturally! then again, my natural test was never very cooperative, even at 24!

reelbig: I'm guessing this is your first cycle? Is there a reason why you wanna do a var-only cycle? are you open to doin' injectables?

i absolutely promise that you can put on 30 lbs.
eat 5500 Cal/day and you have WILL gain some weight

yes some will be fat but at 7% bf you can gain some fat . . .

 

[big49ersfan]

mate var although great will suppress your appetite your a small bloke and so i take it eating lots of food isnt easy for you and therefore further apetite suppression will not be of much benefit

id say for an oral cycle which i dont recommed IMO you are messing up enough organs when on roids why mess up more i.e. liver whcih can be avoided when injectbales

go for 500mg of test ew shot 250mg on a monday and 250mg on a firday and do this for 8-10 weeks. this would do you much better than a var only cycle.

ance is easily avoided on test IMO eat well and follow good clear skin regime follow acne.org from prior to the cycke ona sunbest you will be laffing. using prop however is my recommeddation for acne sufferes or peopel who really fear it as if the ance gets to bad you can stop the cycle and within 3 day your on pct- do you know what pct is.

so

weeks 1-8 test e @ 500 pw (250mg on a mon and 250 on a thurs)
weeks 1-8 adex @ 0.5mg ed

or

weeks 1-8 prop @ 100mg/ 150mg eod
weeks 1-8 adex @ 0.5mg ed

but i aint and never was scared of jabbin and tbh i like jabs no i look forward to them my next cycle is a 12 weeker with ed shots

 

[reelbig004]

Thanks bros. I was considering a var only cycle, only due to my skin problems. Just not worth it for me to put on 30 pounds with test or other stronger compounds if my face ends up looking like an acne induced disaster (Nice body but fucked up skin is not what im looking for). I agree that proper nutrition and supplementation is probably the way to go at this point.

 

[Makavelli]

You can't tell how you're going to react with acne when you run a cycle unless you run it. I get acne on my shoulders and the top of my back when I'm not on anything. When I get on, and I use highly androgenic compounds, it clears up. I would try test and see how you react. If you're fine with that add in some D-Bol. 15 lbs of muscle is a lot of muscle.

 

[LVTitan]

bro go to FITDAY.COM... it is the bomb for tracking whether or not you are eating enough.. i learned that even though i thought i was eating a shitload, i was only getting around 3500-4000 calories a day, and my goal is between 4000-4500 day.

also, i am very prone to acne, thats' why i dont use test. i use eq/deca

 

[mphowells]

makavelli, I think the problem is (from my opinion anyway) that test is MORE likely to cause acne than many other steriods. I fully expect to get shot down by many people on that comment but I think if you had 100 doing test and 100 doing something 'advertised' as being not so acne prone you would likely get more having acne off test.

what about something like primo, i beleive that is in tab form also. Watch the hair line though.

Or maybe EQ, granted you won't get super gains but I'm just trying to throw a few things out there which have less liklyhood of acne as stated in steriod profiles.

 

[steelmass]

mate var although great will suppress your appetite your a small bloke and so i take it eating lots of food isnt easy for you and therefore further apetite suppression will not be of much benefit

id say for an oral cycle which i dont recommed IMO you are messing up enough organs when on roids why mess up more i.e. liver whcih can be avoided when injectbales

go for 500mg of test ew shot 250mg on a monday and 250mg on a firday and do this for 8-10 weeks. this would do you much better than a var only cycle.

ance is easily avoided on test IMO eat well and follow good clear skin regime follow acne.org from prior to the cycke ona sunbest you will be laffing. using prop however is my recommeddation for acne sufferes or peopel who really fear it as if the ance gets to bad you can stop the cycle and within 3 day your on pct- do you know what pct is.

so

weeks 1-8 test e @ 500 pw (250mg on a mon and 250 on a thurs)
weeks 1-8 adex @ 0.5mg ed

or

weeks 1-8 prop @ 100mg/ 150mg eod
weeks 1-8 adex @ 0.5mg ed

but i aint and never was scared of jabbin and tbh i like jabs no i look forward to them my next cycle is a 12 weeker with ed shots

my thoughts exactly

 

[njmuscleguy]

i absolutely promise that you can put on 30 lbs.
eat 5500 Cal/day and you have WILL gain some weight

yes some will be fat but at 7% bf you can gain some fat . . .

tell that to my stomach! I was taking in about 4,500 calories while on and I thought I was going to explode! and I wasn't 7% bf either, so yah... he could afford to eat more *grin*

 

[cranny]

I could be wrong but if I'm not mistaken, my derm. told me that acne on your face is different than the acne caused by steroids. These types usually are found on your back, shoulders, upper arms, and maybe chest. It seems right to me because tanning helps any little blemish I have except the acne I get from gear(bacne). Nothing helps that shit but staying on

 

[USHP]

I'd say you could do a combination of the two above suggestions. You're saying you want 15 lbs in 6-12 months. Well take 6 months or so and put a good diet together with a good training plan and you should easily be able to put on close to 15lbs of muscle because you're young and way undersized for your height.

After the 6 months or so, if you think your gains have stalled or you want more. Then use one of big49ersfan's test cycles (I prefer the test e). Your not going to bloat up with a friggin beachball face, just do a little cardio and use that arimidex and you'll control the bloat. Make sure you have nolva on hand and a pct plan with everything available before you start.

Those are 2 simple suggestions that may result in you exceeding your goals and make more sense then the var only cycle. I know when I think var I'm thinking about cutting or getting a strength boost not adding mass and I wouldn't be running it without an injectacle (most likely test).

 

[reelbig004]

Everyone should know that I ran a Deca only cycle in 2002 (8 weeks at 400mg). Didnt get much of any gaines out of it. Didn't have the diet knowledge that I do today. I have posted about this many times in past. I ran deca only becuase I thought it would be mild on my acne. No such luck. That being said, it only made my facial acne that much woste. I'm not afraid of the needle, but you can see my justification and concern for using anything that is strongly androgenic.

 

[big49ersfan]

get on a test cycle and you will feel so bloody good a zit or no aint going to mean a bloody thing

as said above sort diet out bro if you need a good nutritionist http://www.muscletalk.co.uk/Tailored_Nutrition_Advice_from_an_Expert/m_618109/tm.htm

i have used him for the past 8 months and results r outstanding i highly recomed him and so does veryone who uses him on muscletalk.co.uk

 

[MR. BMJ]

The longer you use AAS, the better your body will be at adapting to acne sides. I do not have any proof of this except for personal experiences and also from people I know. Your body will eventually adapt to the heightened AAS/test levels. The only time I will get acne now is when I (re)-introduce any AAS or adjusty my dosages. Try to keep your hormone fluctuations constant whenever possible.

I have seen just as many people get bad cases of acne from agents like Primo so this is not always the case. Oral Primo should never be used not only due to the price, but also because of absorptrion rates. It's even more useless than injecting it. It's not uncommon for people to develop very oily skin from primo.

My suggestion is to take the plunge and use test. Take in a good AI like Arimidex or AIFM to keep estrogen levels from elevating. Cut out greasy/sugary/fast foods. Try to keep insulin levels stable (which might be hard if 'bulking').

Use a good cleanser once a day that has Triclosan. Take 2 showers every day. The other shower, use a cleanser with Salicylic acid. Exfoliate your skin. Take a shower directly after your workouts. Change your bedsheets. Use a good skinlotion/conditioner that will keep the skin healthy and from drying out. Drink tons of water.

BMJ

 

[cyrex]

Everyone should know that I ran a Deca only cycle in 2002 (8 weeks at 400mg). Didnt get much of any gaines out of it. Didn't have the diet knowledge that I do today. I have posted about this many times in past. I ran deca only becuase I thought it would be mild on my acne. No such luck. That being said, it only made my facial acne that much woste. I'm not afraid of the needle, but you can see my justification and concern for using anything that is strongly androgenic.

If you are gonna go with roids go with EQ and Test

But if you didn't gain anything on 400mg of Deca, you (as you know) have some major problems with your diet. I'd venture to assume that you still aren't eating enough to gain muscle.. You should be able to easily gain at LEAST 10 lbs naturally in a short amount of time just from eating 5000 Cal a day and training hard

 

[reelbig004]

If you are gonna go with roids go with EQ and Test

But if you didn't gain anything on 400mg of Deca, you (as you know) have some major problems with your diet. I'd venture to assume that you still aren't eating enough to gain muscle.. You should be able to easily gain at LEAST 10 lbs naturally in a short amount of time just from eating 5000 Cal a day and training hard

Your right. Back then my diet was definitely not in check. However, I've spent most of the last few years on the diet board and its more than in check now (you don't get to my bf% levels by being clueless about nutrition). I know what I must do to gain weight. I will likely continue naturally and hit the test hard when the right time presents itself.

 

[Themachine01]

The longer you use AAS, the better your body will be at adapting to acne sides. I do not have any proof of this except for personal experiences and also from people I know. Your body will eventually adapt to the heightened AAS/test levels. The only time I will get acne now is when I (re)-introduce any AAS or adjusty my dosages. Try to keep your hormone fluctuations constant whenever possible.

I have seen just as many people get bad cases of acne from agents like Primo so this is not always the case. Oral Primo should never be used not only due to the price, but also because of absorptrion rates. It's even more useless than injecting it. It's not uncommon for people to develop very oily skin from primo.

My suggestion is to take the plunge and use test. Take in a good AI like Arimidex or AIFM to keep estrogen levels from elevating. Cut out greasy/sugary/fast foods. Try to keep insulin levels stable (which might be hard if 'bulking').

Use a good cleanser once a day that has Triclosan. Take 2 showers every day. The other shower, use a cleanser with Salicylic acid. Exfoliate your skin. Take a shower directly after your workouts. Change your bedsheets. Use a good skinlotion/conditioner that will keep the skin healthy and from drying out. Drink tons of water.

BMJ

I completely agree that your body after time adapts to the AAS in your system and the acne sides get better and better with each cycle that you run. That has been the case for me over the past 8 years, and I never really had it bad except for when Im off I get some on my back, big fuckers, but only here and there.

The strange thing is, its been 8 years now that Ive been cycling on and off, and I have never had bad acne. Now all of a sudden, over the past 4 months, it has been fucking horrible on my back and shoulders, leaving scars, big painful ones, I dont know what the fuck has brought this on, I honestly havent done anything different. Nothing at all different than in the past, and now it all of a sudden gets bad when Im about to turn 30 years old, WTF.

 

[big49ersfan]

dude have you had bloods taken recently only reason i am saying this i due to decreased test levels off of cycle recently compared to previously. in that acne and other sides are due to fluctuations in blood levels. so if you are shooting the sam eamount of gear or increasing it but when your off the cycle your test levels are lower this would cause a fluctaution in test levels are could lead to acne but this just a thought.

 

[immortalis]

What these guys are telling you is right. I have the craziest-high metabolism you can imagine. I sit on the couch, i lose 10 pounds. I really have NEVER had an appetite except when on gear.

For 3 months prior to the current cycle I am on, I really made the strongest effort I have ever made towards getting my diet properly dialed in, to ensure that I take in an abundance of calories on a regular basis. It took 3 months before my appetite naturally started coming around.

I began getting really hungry at the times when my body was used to getting those cals. Less than 2 weeks after that, I started getting hungry at times between meals.

If my body can adjust man... I promise you yours can. Up the cals and be strict on yourself. I wasnt really trying to bulk up at the time, otherwise I would have forced a couple supplement shakes in there. I was more trying to get my body just back in the habit of WANTING to be fed. You will see results, it just takes time with guys like us.

 

[jacshelb]

Bro,

I am about an inch and a quarter shorter than you and a little over 200 lbs. right now (been dieting). So, I know where you are. You look good and lean, which is cool. A lot of "illusion" of size could be added by really hitting those arms and shoulders hard, including the traps. I know you are asking about bulk, but you already look to have a decent chest and some decent back width. 10lbs of muscle in the "right" places would do you wonders. Doing power excersises like deadlifts adds a lot of thickness as well, and shouldn't aggravate acne at all. Also, taking in more calories can really cause some hormonal fluctuations. But, it's the only way to grow. Whatever you do for your skin now, you should do whatever choice you make. And, as its been said, not everyone has horrible skin reactions to aas. My advice is to go slow, however, and use your best judgement. A little can go a long way and acne may be the least of your concerns, like as in if you are prone to gyno or hairloss.

Jacob

 

[letsrun4it]

Alright bros. I finally grew some nuts and am posting my pics. I am currently at the following stats and am natural:

24 years old
6'3"
185-190 pounds
7-8% BF

I know I need to gain some muscle. I have toyed with the idea of running a Var only cycle, but am concerned due to my long history of facial acne (which I have posted about). If my hopes are to gain about 15 pounds of quality muscle over the next 6-12 months, what would all of you recomend? Where should I go from here? Thanks as always.

I reccomend a typical bulk cycle others would reccomend... 500mg/week c or e + .5mg arimidex ED

You look like a college guy with good genetics, not like someone who has put in the work. Get big or die.

 

[njmuscleguy]

Everyone should know that I ran a Deca only cycle in 2002 (8 weeks at 400mg). Didnt get much of any gaines out of it. Didn't have the diet knowledge that I do today. I have posted about this many times in past. I ran deca only becuase I thought it would be mild on my acne. No such luck. That being said, it only made my facial acne that much woste. I'm not afraid of the needle, but you can see my justification and concern for using anything that is strongly androgenic.

well, you know part of the answer to this already.... your diet... you have to eat to gain (sorry to beat a dead horse)... also, 8 weeks might not have been long enough for you... some don't start seeing gains until about that time, so they'll run deca for 10 weeks... most people won't run deca only... deca + test = success for most guys... also, did you run a proper PCT? if not, you would have lost most of your gains and your libido would have been crap ....

as for acne... I usually get acne after PCT... I've learned to minimize it by using a good facial cleanser (it has benzoyl peroxide and salicylic acid) and Neutrogena body wash (has salycylic acid also)... DON'T wash your skin too often... that will make acne worse! shower once a day, twice if you really have to... wash your face in the morning and at night.... try to eat clean foods (junkfood and sugars make your break out)... drink TONS of water... maybe try sesamx... I also hit the tanning beds once in a while to dry out the oily skin

 

[slat1]

I was down to 177 lbs at 6'3" in 2000.
Putting on the pounds can be hard. Its all diet no matter if you use juice or not.
BTW... Did you get your bf% tested or did you just guess?

 

[black sheep]

i absolutely promise that you can put on 30 lbs.
eat 5500 Cal/day and you have WILL gain some weight

yes some will be fat but at 7% bf you can gain some fat . . .

20 of those lbs will be fat.

 

[LVTitan]

(you don't get to my bf% levels by being clueless about nutrition). I know what I must do to gain weight. I will likely continue naturally and hit the test hard when the right time presents itself.

actually i've stayed around 4%bf my ENTIRE LIFE and never knew ANYTHING about nutrition till about a year ago.
now i stay between 5-6 % year round, but i am eating healthier.

deca only works if you are keeping your protein levels up around 2grams per lb of body weight or more.

 

[flyingjer]

just curious why this thread got moved, it was actually a AAS question, he just posted pictures too.

 

[BiggT]

Man, you weigh 190 at 6' freaking 3".....that means you are a pile of untouched potential. You don't need juice to gain 15 solid pounds right now. I have no problems with AAS, but anybody who thinks they are necessary to weigh 210lb solid at 6'3 needs to learn how to lift and how to eat.

I know everyone, from friends to relatives to people on the boards who say they eat a ton and can't gain and blah blah blah....the truth is they don't eat enough. Some have higher metabolisms than others, but the fact of the matter is we are all human, and it boils down to calories in vs. calories out, nothing more, nothing less. You have a level where you will consistently gain weight, but you have not reached it consistently enough to gain weight. It may be 5000 cals, it may be 6500, but it exists and if you hit it daily, you will gain weight, there is no way around it.

I suggest you add 100lbs to your bench, squat, and barbell row, and eat above maintainence for 8 months, then come back and tell us if you think you needed steroids to gain a solid 15lbs.

You need to eat a caloric surplus and your lifting should be geared towards increasing compound lifts.

For your original question....a tanning bed (as gay as they are) do wonders for acne. Also, get a good anti-bacterial facial soap/cleanser and keep your face clean and dry all day. If the problem is really severe, a dermatologist can help, but really, the tanning should do the trick.

Steroids are an extremely effective tool that can be used properly for the right people with certain goals.....at 6-3 and 190, I guarantee you are NOT the right person at this point in your life to be using steroids. You want to gain 15-20 solid lbs, at your size you do not need steroids to do that.

 

[SgtSlaughter]

I could be wrong but if I'm not mistaken, my derm. told me that acne on your face is different than the acne caused by steroids. These types usually are found on your back, shoulders, upper arms, and maybe chest. It seems right to me because tanning helps any little blemish I have except the acne I get from gear(bacne). Nothing helps that shit but staying on

Just commenting on this ^^^ post.

With what you've stated acne on one's back, shoulders, upper arms, and chest is from steriods?!

Maybe I have high natural Test. levels (all natural so far or psuedopharmaciucal as I've been told, lol.. cuz I've used Clen)?... but I get breakouts every once in a while on my shoulders, tris, upper back... I hate it, but it goes away once I take the time in the shower to use a wash cloth head to toe get off the dead skin cells, ect and diet is key as well.

Had "moderate" teen acne that didn't want to go away in highschool also.

Everyone's different... Safe experiementation with compounds is key.

If you focus on diet and training you can put on weight bro... don't be scared of a little fat in the attempt to putting on serious weight cuz it's unavoidable naturally... but you'll also keep all the gains you make most likely because you've done it with your natural testosterone.

If you want to spend money, buy some weights and a shit load of food!

 

[Sassy69]

Just throwing in some comments - if you are 7-8% then I expect that you don't have a hard time losing the bodyfat, so don't be too concerned about some added bodyfat while eating to mass up a bit. I'd also go w/ the buildign up some thickness & width in your shoulders to help create the illusion of size. Your abs are really nice & thick naturally and look like the size of your shoulders should be there.

Therefore I'd start w/ the food & lifting for that size.

To deal w/ the acne - I'd suggest that you load up on Vitamin B5 (Pantothenic Acid) - this is an OTC B-vitamin that you can get at most health stores. Also following the cleansing regime and that will help deal w/ the general oil-based skin issues. (I dealt w/ it until I encounted some hormone changes at age 37 -- and I'm talkign almost to the same level of highschool acne.) I might also suggest that you throw some good anti-oxidants in your supplement list - these can include things like Alpha Lipoic Acid (e.g. AF Store Glucorell or any other ALA) and grapeseed extract. Acne can sometimes be your body getting rid of garbage that is floating around & hasn't been excreted by your body's cleaning systems. If you decide to go w/ AAS, include the above and also consider throwing in some Chlorophyll that will again help to shuttle out some of the waste byproducts.