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javaguru
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No offense to the posters but I always take anecdotal results with a grain of salt. There is no indication of diet or body fat levels. Edog indicated he was eating a lot, on a ketogenic diet, and trying to cut. Personally, I wouldn't use a dieting protocol to test the effectiveness of a steroid, especially a ketogenic diet.
A prime example is a guy I know from the gym who always maintains 5%-8% BF year round. He did 500mg of legitimate test per week for six weeks and gained nothing. He claims to this day "steroids don't work on me" even though he was on a low calorie and low carb diet.
I would also like to point out that mikeraz has mischaracterized my results in his post. With two weeks of 4-ad-ec injectable I lost body fat and gaiined LBM even though I increased my calories by 500kcal per day and decreased my cardio. I had no additional weight gain the second week but at the end of the two weeks I had dropped my body fat by 2% from when i had it tested at the beginning. Both tests were done using the same technician with calipers. I also had severlal people at the gym, including my girlfriend, make comments about my "looking bigger" for what that's worth.
I was well past my genetic potential and have experience using many different scheduled steroids over the past ten years so placebo effect can be ruled out. I also posted a typical days diet on another 4-ad thread if anyone is interested. I haven't used the 4-ad cypionate but there are countless anecdotal results from transdermal and several IM users indicating results. On animals board there are experienced users who compare it to milder scheduled steroids. I really wish people would post BF% and other variables with their results for whatever they are taking. Who cares if you gained 15lbs on x supplement if it was all or mostly fat.
A prime example is a guy I know from the gym who always maintains 5%-8% BF year round. He did 500mg of legitimate test per week for six weeks and gained nothing. He claims to this day "steroids don't work on me" even though he was on a low calorie and low carb diet.
I would also like to point out that mikeraz has mischaracterized my results in his post. With two weeks of 4-ad-ec injectable I lost body fat and gaiined LBM even though I increased my calories by 500kcal per day and decreased my cardio. I had no additional weight gain the second week but at the end of the two weeks I had dropped my body fat by 2% from when i had it tested at the beginning. Both tests were done using the same technician with calipers. I also had severlal people at the gym, including my girlfriend, make comments about my "looking bigger" for what that's worth.
I was well past my genetic potential and have experience using many different scheduled steroids over the past ten years so placebo effect can be ruled out. I also posted a typical days diet on another 4-ad thread if anyone is interested. I haven't used the 4-ad cypionate but there are countless anecdotal results from transdermal and several IM users indicating results. On animals board there are experienced users who compare it to milder scheduled steroids. I really wish people would post BF% and other variables with their results for whatever they are taking. Who cares if you gained 15lbs on x supplement if it was all or mostly fat.
