My beautiful, glorious anachism is begaining to take shape in Somalia.

[Tiervexx]

At first Somalia was too primative to handle any real system but market forces are begaining to take effect.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/africa/524812.stm
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/africa/536634.stm
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/africa/896517.stm
http://www.theatlantic.com/issues/2001/05/maass.htm
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/africa/3629671.stm
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/africa/3020297.stm
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/wales/2705363.stm
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/programmes/from_our_own_correspondent/2573115.stm
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/1959540.stm
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/africa/1615258.stm

 

[Tiervexx]

If you want some economic explainations as to why Somalia is doing what it's doing and where it is going read some of the links off of this site:

http://praxeology.net/anarcres.htm

 

[Tiervexx]

^bump

There has to be somone with something to say. It just seems so strange that everyone stoped hearing about this country after things started to go right.

 

[Robert Jan]

"Economists say the average Somali is probably no worse off than the average Tanzanian and Zambian. "

woo they pimp daddy now

Anyway what are you trying to say? The USA should become an anarchy?

 

[Dial_tone]

You can probably build a bo-den style hacienda down there for $8.25 or so.

 

[Robert Jan]

They have help organisations come in and educate some children...

this is hardly a system and a country to glorify

 

[MattTheSkywalker]

interesting sites, I have always believed - and still do - believe that a free market does need some limited government controls.

But, very very few.

 

[Tiervexx]

interesting sites, I have always believed - and still do - believe that a free market does need some limited government controls.

But, very very few.

Have you picked up the machinery of freedom yet?

 

[Tiervexx]

"Economists say the average Somali is probably no worse off than the average Tanzanian and Zambian. "

woo they pimp daddy now

Anyway what are you trying to say? The USA should become an anarchy?

IN case you did not know, they STARTED FROM SCRATCH!

devoloped countries don't become that way overnight.

 

[Tiervexx]

Of course it is still an arm pit, but their development is undeniable, and they DID start from scratch ya know.

I have also read about a similar system in ancient Iceland.

Many will say that the Icelanders "grew" out of that old system, and that it would not work as well in a modern, wealthier place, but I believe that they this view is sorely mistaken.

The reason why government expands is not out of need, it is because sooner or later a very persuasive power freak will come around, and use either a disaster of some sort (could be natural but is often caused by government, such as a war, or our great depression) and/or religion to expand his/her power.

Hitler did it, FDR did it, Lennon did it, and a shitload of other leaders have done it to smaller degreases. The ability to do this is an unfortunate side effect of natural collectivist instincts that are in most humans, this will always be possible regardless of what system you have.

I think it might be a safe bet that the only reason why a place like Somalia can have roads and all the new developments that are appearing, and the only reason why the old Norse could have been so powerful is because anarchism is that much more efficient, and flexible than any Statist system, regardless of the petty ideology they take. If a modern, developed society could abolish government the benefit would be tremendous.

 

[Robert Jan]

Lennon sang songs. Lenin could rise because of the huge angle in russia at the time where like 1% of the people had 80% of the money or so

 

[Tiervexx]

Lennon sang songs. Lenin could rise because of the huge angle in russia at the time where like 1% of the people had 80% of the money or so

That is true, but it is really sad that so many believe that, that was caused by capitalism. Russia never was capitalist, the Wealth was concentrated because of the corrupt ruling class.

So in other words, the actions of a government, where used as an excuse to create a bigger government. Ya gotta love statist logic!

 

[Robert Jan]

Hm. depends. The small groups of rich russians centered around the Tsar before the revolution was as much an economical elite as it was a government. There was not much law enforcement amongst the peasants, the poor noticed very little of there being a government, except that they figured that must be where all the money was going

 

[Tiervexx]

Hm. depends. The small groups of rich russians centered around the Tsar before the revolution was as much an economical elite as it was a government. There was not much law enforcement amongst the peasants, the poor noticed very little of there being a government, except that they figured that must be where all the money was going

Yes, but they where only able to become the economic elite because of the Tsar's actions. I know that the Tsar didn't give a shit about most law enforcment but I'm sure he saw too it that his taxes where being paid.

As a general rule, i believe that working out problems with a fist will always backfire. A gental hand is always better. I'd bet anything that their econimc problem would have worked itself out under true capitalism (as opposed to the state capitalism that it is often confused with) where the masses can keep the fruits of their own labor.

 

[Tiervexx]

bump

 

[ChefWide]

I am a walking Icelandic tour guide and make the development of the Alþing (Althing for those of you who can't view Icelandic characters) from settlement to Independence a personal specialty. You don't care, and neither do most of my Icelandic friends. Fine. Fuck off.