My 5x5 Gripe

[Legion Kreinak2]

Well, I've noticed one thing...

Now that I've started a new routine aimed more towards endurnace (because I feel that endurance is more important in a fight) I realized what the 5x5 did...

My muscular endurance is shot now. Doing 3x30 push-ups tires me out, yet I can do a 5x5 with 150% my bodyweight with little to no problem. Jesus, the routine is obviously not meant to let you last long. I guess the bulking cycle doesn't help that either, considering I was told not to do any cardio, to let your body consume as many calories as it can.

Man, I am never using that routine again. Hell, I'll admit I did love it, and strength gains did show, but even still. Your endurance goes to shit on any low-rep routine.

I'm really starting to think that whole eat like crazy thing is false though. I've made gains when for easily a week or more, I've gone with eating under maintenance calories, yet increased my poundages. I think, for me personally, this just shows that you don't need to eat even above maintenance to retain or add strength. Maybe size decreased for me during that period, I don't know, but strength sure as hell didn't.

 

[Fatty4You]

Well, i think that different trainng routines have different goals. I mean how many marathon winners weigh in at a tight 315?? Not many

But anyway, its good that you have narrowed down the workouts that work for you. I am doing the DoggCrapp routine and is probably the 8th or 9th routine that i have ever tried. Maybe this one will be the one where i start to get good results.

Its all about what is know to work, and what you are going for, and how things work best for you.

Kick ass in fights! But dont try to get into too many

-Fatty

 

[Legion Kreinak2]

Haha, I'll try man. It's nice to earn respect from people around you when you get up after a fight, win or lose though. I take my losses gracefully. I'm proud to lose, because it shows I need to train harder, or focus more in my next fight.

 

[jeremys]

are you talking about organized fighting or regular bad encounters?

you can be huge and scrap. just gotta end it quick, not that it'd be hard if it's a huge difference in size

 

[coolcolj]

one kick to groin and shins is all it takes....

 

[Fatty4You]

Do you think people with three testicles hurt more when they are kicked in the groin??

-Fatty

 

[supersizeme]

Ah...more brilliant insight from Legion. So you're griping about the 5x5 routine not helping you crank out 3 sets of 30 pushups. Well no duh. Your gripe is akin to a sprinter who has been training year round(not that you stuck to 5x5 for more than 2 weeks) with a sprinter's workout bitching because he can't run a marathon without getting tired.

And the gains you've been making while staying below your caloric maintenance level are because you still haven't finished your newbie gains. You don't stick to working out long enough to max out the newbie gains to the point at which you need to start eating above your maintenance level to progress. You are still a beginner. This holds true for everyone.

 

[michaelcoutts]

just curious as to why you are more concerned about endurance as opposed to strength?

Does being able to run a marathon get you
-respect?
-chicks? (definetly the most important)
-a body to be proud of?
-huge fighting advantages?
NO,NO,NO,NO

What about being huge and muscular? YES, YES, YES, YES

welll that is my opinion anyways

 

[b fold the truth]

ok...remember that you will not gain endurance from nearly any kind of weight training. I compete in a strength sport where I must also have good endurance and cardio. Do I get that endurance and cardio from doing gym lifts? Nope....

I lift in the gym AND do my events with endurance and cardio in mind. I want to be good at the events...so I do the events.

When I trained in Martial Arts...I trained for strength then trained in Martial Arts. The gym/strength lifting helped with my Martial Arts abilities but I had to do the Martial Arts to get better at Martial Arts.

I hope that some of this makes some sense...lol

B True

 

[Lord_Suston]

man kid you are messed up with your routines. 5x5 was never meant for fight. shit lifting weights in general will not help you be better in a fight unless it is grappling were strength is needed. If you are complaining about endurance go running or put your rounds in the gym sparring and training. Lifting weight does not help endurance. pick up a physiology book, look at musce types; white fibers grow the most with 85% max weigyht or explosive movements, the pink type are activated after 30 seconds and respond from 55-80% and stop responding after 4-5minutes then come your red fibers which grow the least. Now what you are asking for is to be huge and jacked, yet good cardiovascular. For that you need to train for what you want. You need to stop your bitching and stoip blaming routine and get you head checked and put the time in training the way you want to be. You wanna be strong train to be strong, you want to train to fight well, then train to fight, but don't expect that one will help the other.....

 

[PolishHammer1977]

one kick to groin and shins is all it takes....

Damn I wish I was that powerful. Anytime i have ever used a low kick it has always knocked the person off balance. It never ended a fight.

 

[muscledog95]

I think I understand where he is coming from. Hes trying to improve on muscular endurance. Which ive seen the effects of having that. When it comes down to a fight, Size, strength, endurance can only go so far. Its not the size of the dog in the fight, its the size of the fight in the dog.

 

[jerkbox]

Damn I wish I was that powerful. Anytime i have ever used a low kick it has always knocked the person off balance. It never ended a fight.

a punch landed to the throat will.

 

[Thaibox]

LK2, you've gotta understand bro, that you're still in the early stage of your training.

Look at the progress ratio of muscle gain to that of endurance gain

It takes years to pack on quality functioning muscle, whereas it takes months to take your body to a decent level of endurance capability. It is very difficult to do both simultaneously. Therefore, take advantage of your young age, and build that muscle, because if you beging fighting THEN realize you aren't powerful enough, it will be much more difficult to pack on muscle while you're training to go the distance. I don't care how experienced you are, when you step in the ring with someone with diamond calves and serious quad drops, its intimidating because you know you're facing a machine and not just some lightweight go-rounder.


#1 Build a big powerful machine

#2 Train the machine to fight

 

[tsarleon]

legion... come on man. i thought you just got back in this game after some injuries. why dont you just do pushups WITH 5x5 chest workout... just do it. the only reason you cant do 3 x 30 pushups is because you have not been doing pushups. come on man. you said, "i want to fight", then fight, take your classes and do CARDIO. endurance is KEY, you want to be able to fight and fight for a long time. why dont you just do some weights plus some endurance stuff, and go from there....

 

[Legion Kreinak2]

That's what I originally was thinking, Tsarl, some type of cross-training.

But even as Thai had said, it's very difficult to go both. And I'm an extremist. I feel it's useless to try and maximize my endurance, when doing so will hinder my strength gains.

 

[Thaibox]

You really need to figure out what type of fighter you are naturally. Are you a defensive guy that plays with his opponents and strategizes for a while making small incrimental attacks or are you more aggressive and find your natural comfort in destroying your opponent as soon as possible. Both have their advantages/disadvantages, but finding out which you are more predisposed to doing naturally will help determine your training.

I use to be a distance fighter(thin but fast and could go for hours), until I praticed more practical arts and realized the huge asset strength and power really were. Of course its only my opinion, but I think that the cyclic doctrine of stamina and negativity towards bulk is outdated by a new generation of fighters that realize the potential of being able to devastate opponents more quickly. Obviously boxing doesn't place the immediately quick time demands as a real fight does, but being able to demolish your opponent with awesome power has been lost in many boxing schools that stress too much cardio. Of course stamina is important. And if you're a close equal to your opponent, the potential of a loss increases with time, but again it depends on you. Anyway, find your strengths and build upon those.




For now, at your size, I would focus on size and power...continue the 5X5 and train in fighting to a low extent that minimizes cardio for a few years, so you can learn the combative strategies, gain knowledge, yet still keep muscle gains.

I hope you understand my ramblings, I'm on some vicodin and Somas

Anyway, who wants to see 2 130 lb guys dance for a dozen rounds, when the excitement and true nature of combat is found within the knowledgable and powerful heavyweights.