My 2nd Cycle. What ya think??

[Dunk]

Tell me what you think?

My pics are in my gallery. Im about 5'7" 180ish. BF% not too sure.

This is my 2nd cycle. Last one was 3 years ago. I hope to put some nice quality mucle, and lean out towards then. Dont want to get bulky.

My diet is on point. Any training tips as to lifting heavy or hittin up cardio more so at different times of the cycle would be much appreciated.

Thanks in advance!

Test 500mg/week 1-10

EQ 400mg/week 1-10

Arimidex weeks 1-10 @ 0.5mg-1.0mg ED

Winny 50mg every day - weeks 7-12

Clenbuterol: Week 12-14
Day1: 60mcg
Day2: 80mcg
Day3: 80mcg
Day4: 100mcg
Day5: 100mcg
Day6-Day12: 120mcg
Day13: 100 mcg
Day14: 80 mcgs
Day15: off
Day16: off
Day 17: ECA/ NYC stack

Start PCT about 4 days after last Clen Dosage.

As far as PCT goes. I have Nolva and i have Clomid.

Ive read mixed reviews about PCT with them. Would you run them both as follows?

Clomid PCT
100mg clomid days 1-14 (30 pills)
50mg clomid days 15-30 (15 pills)

Nolva PCT
Days 1 to 14: 40 mg ED
Dayd 15-30: 20mg ED

 

[DIVISION]

Tell me what you think?

My pics are in my gallery. Im about 5'7" 180ish. BF% not too sure.

This is my 2nd cycle. Last one was 3 years ago. I hope to put some nice quality mucle, and lean out towards then. Dont want to get bulky.

Don't take this personal, Lil' Dunk......but @ 180lbs.....I don't see how you could even worry about getting "bulky".

180lbs is nothing in terms of mass.....regardless of your BF%

I think your cycle is fine, pretty standard......trainingwise, it's up to you as far as what you want. Lifting heavy w/ slow negatives will keep your strong and compact.....s'all about what you are looking for. I'd say you should hit up cardio at least 3 times per week....bike preferably.

PCT.....HCG will be more beneficial than Clomid/Nolvadex. You could do a HCG cycle midcycle as well as PCT to prevent atrophy.


DIV

 

[DiamondCutCows]

From the looks of it that is exactly what I said to run, right? You know how I feel about it.

See what the other bors think

 

[Stacemranger]

You gotta have HCG in your cycle or your nuts are gonna be non-existant.

 

[Dunk]

i hear ya div. but reguarding HCG. I dont have it. I have Clomids and Nolva on hand.

I guess ill wait then to find some HCG before starting.

 

[Dunk]

From the looks of it that is exactly what I said to run, right? You know how I feel about it.

See what the other bors think

yeh i basically took your advice.

just not too sure on the PCT.

 

[DIVISION]

i hear ya div. but reguarding HCG. I dont have it. I have Clomids and Nolva on hand.

I guess ill wait then to find some HCG before starting.

you need the HCG.......either that or your nuts will shrivel up like baby raisins on the vine......nugga.

Now that's GanGsta.....




DIV

 

[Sam_Trautman]

I've seen the difference between PCT with and without HCG. It's far better with.

 

[smalltown]

Hey Bro,
Not sure about the HCG for pct, can slow down your recovery. Do the research yourself right here. Definitely a good idea during the cycle. Good luck and let us know what you decide and how it goes.

 

[Dunk]

HCG during but what about running Clomid and Nolva for PCT?

Clomid PCT
100mg clomid days 1-14
50mg clomid days 15-30

Nolva PCT
Days 1 to 14: 40 mg ED
Dayd 15-30: 20mg ED

 

[DIVISION]

HCG during but what about running Clomid and Nolva for PCT?

Clomid PCT
100mg clomid days 1-14
50mg clomid days 15-30

Nolva PCT
Days 1 to 14: 40 mg ED
Dayd 15-30: 20mg ED

Clomid and Nolva for PCT w/ HCG midcycle..........can't go wrong....



DIV

 

[Apexx]

Dunk,
It looks like you're holding off on pct and using clen only for the last two weeks. This may be a bad idea. To my knowledge, clens ability to promote anabolic activity in humans is still in question. It has been proven to promote such activity in animals, but not humans. Running the cycle the way you described could leave you with two weeks where there is no anabolic agents in your system.

Some people say it does, some people say it doesn't. Either way it's something that I would do considerably more research in before starting that cycle.

Good luck

 

[DIVISION]

Dunk,
It looks like you're holding off on pct and using clen only for the last two weeks. This may be a bad idea. To my knowledge, clens ability to promote anabolic activity in humans is still in question. It has been proven to promote such activity in animals, but not humans. Running the cycle the way you described could leave you with two weeks where there is no anabolic agents in your system.

I agree with you BabyApexxNugga.....

Using Clen the last two weeks of a cycle seems pointless to me......either use it throughout on a 2 week on/off basis or don't use it at all. Clenbuterol works by inhibiting catabolism, but remember that it also inhibits metabolic pathways as well......kind of like a homeostasis mechanism.



DIV

 

[Ulter]

It look fine. You should do very well with that.

I think he just didn't continue the fatburner portion. It looks like a two week rotation of clen and NYC. Which is fine.

 

[no1]

Id have to agree with divider on this one he seems to only do a good job copying and pasting,2 weeks on 2 weeks off

 

[Dunk]

If i can get a hold of HCG how should i run it thru out the cycle?

Heres the final look then i suppose.

Test 500mg/week 1-10

EQ 400mg/week 1-10

Arimidex weeks 1-10 @ 0.5mg-1.0mg ED

Winny 50mg every day - weeks 7-12

Clenbuterol: 2 weeks on/2 weeks off thru out cycle

Day1: 60mcg
Day2: 80mcg
Day3: 80mcg
Day4: 100mcg
Day5: 100mcg
Day6-Day12: 120mcg
Day13: 100 mcg
Day14: 80 mcgs
Day15: off
Day16: off
Day 17: ECA/ NYC stack etc...

Clomid PCT
100mg clomid days 1-14
50mg clomid days 15-30

Nolva PCT
Days 1 to 14: 40 mg ED
Dayd 15-30: 20 mg ED

 

[trinidad]

Cycle looks good bro. I'd run either the clomid or the nolva pct. I don't think you'll need both. As far as hcg, I have personally never had any nut shrinkage during any of my cycles or had any problems pct.

 

[Ulter]

I agree, either run HCG/nolva or Clomid with your Arimidex.

 

[BionicBC]

I agree, either run HCG/nolva or Clomid with your Arimidex.

Isnt that A-dex dosage a lil high? .5-1mg ed? Id would think that for a cycle like that, .25mg ed should be more than enough. Opinions?
Bionic

 

[Ulter]

No it's not too high. 99% of the people on this board don't use enough. They are trying to save money by using less than they really should. At 500mg and above you should be using 1mg. But no one does and I got tired of posting it.

 

[Dunk]

I agree, either run HCG/nolva or Clomid with your Arimidex.

with my Arimidex? im taking Arimidex thruout. Or do you mean take HCG/nolva or Clomid PCT.

 

[Ulter]

I did word that clearly, sorry.
Use the Arimidex with the Clomid is what I meant. Arimidex helps raise your natural test levels post cycle.

 

[lefler]

If i can get a hold of HCG how should i run it thru out the cycle?

Heres the final look then i suppose.

Test 500mg/week 1-10

EQ 400mg/week 1-10

Arimidex weeks 1-10 @ 0.5mg-1.0mg ED

Winny 50mg every day - weeks 7-12

Clenbuterol: 2 weeks on/2 weeks off thru out cycle

Day1: 60mcg
Day2: 80mcg
Day3: 80mcg
Day4: 100mcg
Day5: 100mcg
Day6-Day12: 120mcg
Day13: 100 mcg
Day14: 80 mcgs
Day15: off
Day16: off
Day 17: ECA/ NYC stack etc...

Clomid PCT
100mg clomid days 1-14
50mg clomid days 15-30

Nolva PCT
Days 1 to 14: 40 mg ED
Dayd 15-30: 20 mg ED

run the eq longer! at least 12 weeks. its looks like you have 4000mg so find a way to stretch that to 12 weeks. imo

weeks 1-2 run just the eq then start up the rest of the cycle the way you have it. you have to understand that eq takes what seems like forever to kick in. probably 6 weeks or so. it has one of, if not the longest lasting ester.

good luck

 

[BionicBC]

No it's not too high. 99% of the people on this board don't use enough. They are trying to save money by using less than they really should. At 500mg and above you should be using 1mg. But no one does and I got tired of posting it.

Where did you come up with this? I dont doubt you, because 99% of the time Ive found your advice to be sound-But where did this info come from? I only use about .25mg ed, not because of $$$, but in fear of driving my estrogen levels TOO low... Any links would be awesome. Thanx.
Bionic

 

[BionicBC]

Where did you come up with this? I dont doubt you, because 99% of the time Ive found your advice to be sound-But where did this info come from? I only use about .25mg ed, not because of $$$, but in fear of driving my estrogen levels TOO low... Any links would be awesome. Thanx.
Bionic

Description
Publication Date: February 18, 2001

by Bill Roberts - Anastrozole (Arimidex) is the aromatase inhibitor of
choice. The drug is appropriately used when using substantial amounts of
aromatizing steroids, or when one is prone to gynecomastia and using
moderate amounts of such steroids. Arimidex does not have the side effects
of aminoglutethimide (Cytadren) and can achieve a high degree of estrogen
blockade, much moreso than Cytadren. It is possible to reduce estrogen too
much with Arimidex, and for this reason blood tests, or less preferably
salivary tests, should be taken after the first week of use to determine if
the dosing is correct.

As an aromatase inhibitor, Arimidex's mechanism of action -- blocking
conversion of aromatizable steroids to estrogen -- is in contrast to the
mechanism of action of anti-estrogens such as clomiphene (Clomid) or
tamoxifen (Nolvadex), which block estrogen receptors in some tissues, and
activate estrogen receptors in others. During a cycle, if using Arimidex,
there is generally no need to use Clomid as well, but (as mentioned in the
section on Clomid) there may still be benefits to doing so.

Arimidex is quite expensive, costing approximately $9 per milligram. With
moderate doses of testosterone 0.5 mg/day is usually sufficient and in some
cases may be too much.

 

[Ulter]

Where did you come up with this? I dont doubt you, because 99% of the time Ive found your advice to be sound-But where did this info come from? I only use about .25mg ed, not because of $$$, but in fear of driving my estrogen levels TOO low... Any links would be awesome. Thanx.
Bionic

It comes from the fact that Arimidex only slows E product by 59% in men using 1mg/day. What's left, 41%, is way more than enough on a cycle. There are not AI's that can make your levels TOO low. They simply don't work that well in men. Letro is the most powerful and it's only side effect is lowered erectile function in some.

What Bill wrote 4 years ago wasn't based on today's science or cycles.