MRI on shoulder results

[DangerousGrounds]

I talked to the radiologist told me one of the 4 rotator muscles or tendon was like a rope and frayed?

I asked about gh or cortisone and am willing to do what it takes but see what my doc says..

Will gh help this condition bro's?, do docs perscribe for this condition?

thanks
~D.G.~

 

[Zyglamail]

Ack! stay the hell away from cortisone! It will do more long term damage than anything. On a side note you need to really take it easy. COntinue toexercise but avoid exercise that cause any pain. The exercise will help shuttle blood and needed nutrients and the proper cells to repair the area. Avoid ice and anti-inflamatories as well. I know most of this sounds like it is against what you doc likely said but you need to remember that inflamation is ESSENTIAL for the healing of these types on injuries. Next goto prolonews.com and do some readin and see if you can find a doc in your neck of the woods, prolo works especially well with tendon/ligament damage.

On a side note take the MRI results with a grain of salt. The reason I say this is because. Research done at the Uof Miami investigating the reliability of using an MRI as the sole determining factor in the status of rotator cuff injuries. 96 pain free individuals had MRI's of the shoulders, 35% showed rotator cuff tears(15% had full thickness tears and 20% partial tears). By the way a full thickness tear means the tendon is cut all the way through and make movement dificult and very painfull....and ALL these people in the stufy were TOTALLY pain free. What this tells us is that MRI can be very inaccurate for these types of problems.

 

[DangerousGrounds]

Actually I consulted a physical therapist from the west cost who works with top level pros.

Actually cortisone does help in roundabout sort of way. The specific compounds made by the body that accompany the inflammatory process are catabotic to the tissues that are trying to be rebuilt by the healing process. It's a vicious cycle. Inflammation is geared to the immediate survival of the organism, not necessarily long-term healing of the damaged area.
The cortisone shot rids you of the inflammation, and allows the healing process to occur as it is supposed to.
Additionally, the pressure in the joint resulting from the inflammation can make tissues pinches even more which can lead to friction type breakdown.
In my case, the inflammation around the supraspinatus pushes the supraspinatus in closer to the proximity to the acromion which runs underneath. When I raise my arm to certain positions, it pinches and wears thin the supraspinatus muscle belly.

Perhaps the warning you're trying to give me is about the catabolic properties of cortisone alone itself. Repeated cortazone treatment tends to also be catabolic to the joint, which theoretically leads to decreased cartridge/bone integrity. A one time shot, however, will do way more towards proper healing than it will hurt.

 

[StoneColdGold]

dg.. i'm with zyglamail on this one. i'm currently trying prolo on my back to see if i can get relief from my degenerative disk disease.

the first thing i would do is find a good ART doc. read this thread:

http://boards.elitefitness.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&threadid=101525&highlight=shoulder+pain

some people, for whatever ridiculous reason, refuse to believe an alternative method could solve their problem. personally i think its a macho thing. guys think, "nah, my injury is a real nasty tough guy injury. only cortisone and the knife can help ME." between ART and Prolo, you have two exceptionally successful and well-documented options for relief. Hopefully you'll give one a shot. (no pun intended.)

 

[DangerousGrounds]

will check it out bro hear a lot about it.
thanks for your concern and help.
~D.G.~

 

[Zyglamail]

The cortisone shot rids you of the inflammation, and allows the healing process to occur as it is supposed to.
Additionally, the pressure in the joint resulting from the inflammation can make tissues pinches even more which can lead to friction type breakdown.

Im not speaking or catabolism or cortisone at all, what I am talking about is that inflamation is a key factor in healing and by killing it with cortisone your inhibiting healing, NOT the other way around.

Now, im offering some advice if you chose not to heed it thats fine by me, frankly I am tired about argueing the subject and hearing the "my doc said". You think inflamation is bad and to be avoided, well here is a quick course in the healing process and what cortisone does.

Crticosteroids have a well documented anti-inflamatory response, this I am not argueing. They do this by by inhibiting the availability of leukocytess to areas of inflamation and interfere with a variety of their functions including phagocytosis, intracellular killing and secretion. This in turn prevents leukocytes(including macrophages) to NOT secrete their inflamatory modulating factors. While that sounds good on paper and does releive pain associated with inflamation, it is these factors that that stimulate new blood vessel growth in injured tissue so they can heal injuries. So once again as I said it terminates not only the pain but the healing, leaving your shoulder pain free but in a weakened state and more suceptable to injury.

On the note of your west coast doc who works with athletes thats fine and dandy but what you arent told is that after these so called sports professionals get pain releife they often suffer a more severe injury and then go under the knife, which of course still isnt a fix for the underlying problem and sooner or later, if they are smart end up in the office of a good prolo doc. Most prolo docs started as therapists ect, specializing in sports injuries and chronic pain and when they realized the "standard" methods just were not helping their clients they sought an actual fix instead of a bandaid.

Good luck with your problem hope you get it fixed but remember pain free does not mean injury free.

 

[DangerousGrounds]

arguing?


thats fine I said I appreciate the concern and will look into prolo..
I'm sorry but where do you find I am arguing bro?
I was just stating where I was at with what I had found out and am willing to try anything including prolo? if my insurance covers it.

I think you took me wrong bro. I'm not here to argue I'm here to learn and hopefully heal this problem.

Thanks again for your concerns

Peace

 

[DangerousGrounds]

BTW I am on no pain meds. I did the anti-infams for months cerebrex, viox, ibuprofen, naproxins, glucosomine, sam-e..

 

[Zyglamail]

Re: arguing?

thats fine I said I appreciate the concern and will look into prolo..
I'm sorry but where do you find I am arguing bro?
I was just stating where I was at with what I had found out and am willing to try anything including prolo? if my insurance covers it.

I think you took me wrong bro. I'm not here to argue I'm here to learn and hopefully heal this problem.

Thanks again for your concerns

Peace

Thats exactly what I am trying to do is get you interested in searching out a cure for your problem. 99% of the time when I bring up the fact inflamation is necessary for the healing of tendon/ligament damage I am bombarded with "my doc said" etc etc. WHat you have to realize is as athletes we are NOT the average person. The average person pulls something when he has to do something we would consider a menial athletic task. The average person goes to the doc and gets help for the pain. The average person is likely not putting there body under the sress we do day in and day out and therefor pain releife is all that matters to these people. Our main concern should be continued health and strength. WHat I find ironic is most people here lift for strength and mass, they take AAS, they eat a ton of food all with the goal of building strength and mass yet when it comes to the tendons/ligaments, no one seems to be concerned if they are up to the task. Remember your only as strong as your weakest link and if its a tendon/ligament and you prolong healing with anti-inflamatories(ibuprofine, aleeve etc) your setting the stage for future truama and it will likely be much worse.

Prolo, ART or what ever method you seek, my goal isnt to get a kick back from a prolo doc, my goal is to have you doubt what is constantly said, doubt it so much your willing to go and grab a biology book and do a bit more reading on how healing actually happens. Its only when we doubt what is commonly said and seek proof for ourselves that we truely learn. If we all simply sat back and relied on our docs advice about AAS use hardly any of us would be here, why should treating a sports injury be any different?

 

[daveyboy]

I talked to the radiologist told me one of the 4 rotator muscles or tendon was like a rope and frayed?

You might need to get it scoped too. I had frayed tendons in my shoulder as well, amongst other things. My sports doc scoped it & basically cleaned out the whole joint. Used a small dose of deca (200-300 mg) during rehab. It took a while for it to start feeling better, probably 5-6 months or so....but now as long as I stretch it before workouts & do my rehab exercises a few days a week it feels pretty good. Just another option to consider.