Mr. X, Ulter (Clarifications on my PCT - Test E/Dbol)

[macrophage69alpha]

there is no evidence, either clinical or anecdotal that stacking clomid and nolva is more effective than either alone.

it is still a matter of contention whether nolva is as effective as clomid (though its likely that response/success are individual dependent)

 

[BigRupe]

I am a believer in the "better be safe then sorry" way of doing things.
You're better off doing the right PCT from the start and making sure you recover right away - no need to take risks.


I reworked this for you.

Clomid and nolva, 4 weeks PCT
Day 1-3: 300mgs ED
Day 4-7: 200mgs ED
Day 8-15: 100mgs ED
day 8-15: 40mgs nolva ED
Day 16-30: 50mgs ED + 20mgs nolva ED


Wk 1 - 10 - 500 mg Test Ethanate/wk (split into mon/thur shots 250mg/each)
Wk 1 - 4 - 30mg Dianabol/day (to kickstart)
wk 1-4 - 1mg arimidex ED
week 5-11 - .5mgs arimidex ED

If you don't mind me asking; how would you fit proviron into this PCT format you've outlines?

 

[markus18]

I am a believer in the "better be safe then sorry" way of doing things.
You're better off doing the right PCT from the start and making sure you recover right away - no need to take risks.


I reworked this for you.

Clomid and nolva, 4 weeks PCT
Day 1-3: 300mgs ED
Day 4-7: 200mgs ED
Day 8-15: 100mgs ED
day 8-15: 40mgs nolva ED
Day 16-30: 50mgs ED + 20mgs nolva ED


Wk 1 - 10 - 500 mg Test Ethanate/wk (split into mon/thur shots 250mg/each)
Wk 1 - 4 - 30mg Dianabol/day (to kickstart)
wk 1-4 - 1mg arimidex ED
week 5-11 - .5mgs arimidex ED

Hi Mr X,

Thank you for your reply. Wow, I'm getting even more confused from Ulter's advice and yours. Both are so conflicting, not to say either is wrong. I respect both of you guys opinions a hell lot but wonder about some of your rationales. Although, Mr. X, you were the first to plan out my cycle in a prior thread of mine, so I'll stick to one man's viewpoint or I'll get even more mixed up. Sorry, no disrespect to you Ulter and I'm trying to stir anything up between you two. I like to hear both sides of the coin.

1) Ulters viewpoint is that's too much Clomid. Your rationale?

2) take 1mg arimidex during 1-4, and you can drop down to .5mgs of arimidex ED for the rest of the cycle. You should mind too much water retention and possible breasts (i.e. gyno)

My pharmacy is out of stock on Arimidex rite now, can I substitute Aromasin?

What if I ran an AI PCT instead of on the cycle? If gyno starts, couldn't I use Nolvadex to curb it and run my Aromasin on PCT to take out the Gyno?

3) You're saying HCG is not really necessary. I also like to "err on the side of caution". If I take 500ius/ED/10days, am I increasing any side effects or risks? I like the "less is more" theory.

And why 500iu's instead of 1000iu's that Ulters advised? Your rationale?


How would this be for PCT?

Clomid and nolva, 4 weeks PCT
Day 1-3: 300mgs ED
Day 4-7: 200mgs ED
Day 8-15: 100mgs ED
day 8-15: 40mgs nolva ED
Day 16-30: 50mgs ED + 20mgs nolva ED

Wk 1 - 6 Aromasin 20mg ED PCT?

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10 wk Cycle

Wk 1 - 10 - 500 mg Test Ethanate/wk (split into mon/thur shots 250mg/each)
Wk 1 - 4 - 30mg Dianabol/day (to kickstart)

 

[markus18]

Bump For Mr. X

 

[OMEGA]

on cycle:

Adex 1 mg per day
Nolva 10 mgs a day

1 week after last shot of long acting ester use HCG at 2000 ius every 3d or 4th day
do this for about 4 shots
after cessastion of HCG ( still abide by above ant e manegment)

contninue Anti e management for 3-4 more weeks
only this time add clomid AFTER HCG
50 mgs a day should suffice


get blood work, if on low end consider running second half of pct once more

 

[UA_Iron]

Man that clomid at 300mg...

His next thread will be

"I keep crying when I watch chick flicks with my girl...help!"

 

[OMEGA]

Man that clomid at 300mg...

His next thread will be

"I keep crying when I watch chick flicks with my girl...help!"

I personally enjoy female feelings, just not their sexual preference

 

[UA_Iron]

I personally enjoy female feelings, just not their sexual preference

 

[OMEGA]

+ ?

 

[Mr.X]

1) Ulters viewpoint is that's too much Clomid. Your rationale?

2) take 1mg arimidex during 1-4, and you can drop down to .5mgs of arimidex ED for the rest of the cycle. You should mind too much water retention and possible breasts (i.e. gyno)

My pharmacy is out of stock on Arimidex rite now, can I substitute Aromasin?

What if I ran an AI PCT instead of on the cycle? If gyno starts, couldn't I use Nolvadex to curb it and run my Aromasin on PCT to take out the Gyno?

3) You're saying HCG is not really necessary. I also like to "err on the side of caution". If I take 500ius/ED/10days, am I increasing any side effects or risks? I like the "less is more" theory.

And why 500iu's instead of 1000iu's that Ulters advised? Your rationale?

1) read what I posted, better be safe then sorry; I am a believe in the right recovery not half ass recovery

2) you can substitute the arimidex with aromasin, start with 10mgs aromasin ED see how the dosage is working for you, you can always bump it up.

If gyno starts, you should use letrozole to get rid of it - nolva, although effective, doesn't come close to letro.

3) if you go with HCG, I believe in staying on HCG the shortest time possible, so 10 days is plenty - that's my rationale for it.