Mr.X..........Do I need anti-e?

[Mr.X]

yeah i have guys at my local gym that think that test is the only thing that shuts down there nat. test levels so they won't touch the stuff and they do deca only or winny only i guess they just want to learn the hard way

Try to educate them if you can, but beyond that there is not much you can do bro.

 

[drwoody]

I have taken some of your advice and upped the Primo to 600 a week for 10 weeks.So basically this is a Primo/Wiiny cycle with a therapeutic dosage of 200mgs a week of Deca for lubrication of joints.I Have also ordered some Letrozole.

Now I will be honest with you,I am afraid of Test.
A)I had very bad acne when I was a teenager and am very prone to it.
B)I don't want to gain 15-30lbs,I don't want people to know I;m juicing,I'm a business in a small town where eberyone knows each other.

Thanks again for your replies X.

 

[NFG123]

Re: Mr.X,Macro..........Do I need anti-e?

I am about to start a mild summer cutting cycle.

400mgs Primo a week for 10 weeks
50mgs Winny ed for 6 weeks.

I will throw in 200mgs Deca a week for the 10 weeks just a lube for my shoulders.

Do I need to run an anti -e during my cycle seeing as the deca dosage is very low?

I am prone to gyno and already have a very mild case of it naturally.

I have armidex,clomid and nolvadex on hand.

I have had a few differnt opions on this already so I am a bit confused,any help is greatly appreciated.

First, not to flame too much cause you are new. Asking mods outright is time consuming for them and insulting to other vets on this board who have a lot to offer.

Second, there is no reason to run an anti-e "just because" on that combo. The chance of gyno is quite low to begin with for the average user, and TMX (tamoxifen), anastrazole (arimidex, or other aromatase inhibitors) don't seem to have an impact on those who are prone to nandrolone mediated deca. Nandrolone has a very low aromatization rate to Estrogen (E2) as well, some say absent.

Here are some novel thoughts on what might help deca gyno (And I think they have been proposed before many times but the mechanism not fully explained).

Requip or Dostinex or even Bromocriptine are DA (dopamine) agonists, Dostinex is more D2 specific, and decrease prolactin secretion, which can be enhanced by progesterone (and Nandrolone being potentially progestin-like) can promote gyno possibly through this way or directly through progestin-activity.

The only way I know of now to block progestin activity is RU-486 (mifepristone), but unfortunately when these are taken for prolonged periods of time at dosage necessary, it also has an anti-glucocorticoid effect (which is stronger than its anti progestin effect). You may be thinking, shit, less cortisol action, bonus!

Wrong, NOT bonus. Studies that have seen these were pulled because patients taking this (ass a possible anti-fertility agent) went into an addisonian-like crisis (hypotension, mental status changes, salt wasting, electrolyte imbalances, arrhythmias). I wouldn't try it.

NFG

 

[NFG123]

Thanks very much for your replies.

This is only my second cycle,the first one was 6 years ago and was identical to this one.I got exactly what I was looking for from it so I decided to run it again.I just can't remember if I ran an anti-e,thats why I ask.


Now I don't have any letrozole on hand,but I do have armidex and nolvadex.Would using the either of these be ok?

Arimidex (anastozole) and Femara (letrozole) are in the same class of drug. If you have one, you do not need the other. They are equally efficacious from what I have read. Side effect profiles are similar. I recommend nolvadex instead of aromatase inhibitors, unless you have a compelling reason to avoid nolvadex....Keeping off an additional 2 lbs of water (though they both help with this) might be one, if absolutely necessary, and precontest conditioning ....

NFG

 

[jumpshot]

you can kiss your libido goodbye...you will get shutdown on that cycle no doubt. I ran that exact cycle. You need test bro, don't be afraid of it. Even 250/wk will hold off the shitty feelings and that low a dose likely won't give you acne.

 

[Mr.X]

I have taken some of your advice and upped the Primo to 600 a week for 10 weeks.So basically this is a Primo/Wiiny cycle with a therapeutic dosage of 200mgs a week of Deca for lubrication of joints.I Have also ordered some Letrozole.

Now I will be honest with you,I am afraid of Test.
A)I had very bad acne when I was a teenager and am very prone to it.
B)I don't want to gain 15-30lbs,I don't want people to know I;m juicing,I'm a business in a small town where eberyone knows each other.

Thanks again for your replies X.

If you're afraid of gaining mass, consider staying natural.

 

[drwoody]

Ok I'm confused now.

Fuk I'm week 2 of cycle,did 400mg Primo week 1 and am doing 600 this week along with deca both weeks,winny will start on week 4.My source was nice enough to exchange the armidex for letrozole which will be here in 2 days.So many different opions.I must of read on at least 5 different sites that a Primo/Winny cycle is a good combo.Anyways I gotta be at work in 15 minutes see you bro's later,and thanks to anyone who has replied with advice.

DW

 

[Mr.X]

Ok I'm confused now.
DW

what's confusing you?

 

[NFG123]

In case you get progesterone sides, don't use the nolvadex. The arimidex will only help with estrogen sides; if you have progesterone sides from deca, you'll need letrozole. Thus, I suggest running letrozole from day one, especially if you have gyno already.

Letrozole and Anastrozole are in the same class and for all practical purposes identical drugs. Like MrX said, they help with estrogen, but they, however DO NOT help with progestin or progestin-related gyno.

NFG

 

[Mr.X]

Letrozole and Anastrozole are in the same class and for all practical purposes identical drugs. Like MrX said, they help with estrogen, but they, however DO NOT help with progestin or progestin-related gyno.

NFG

letrozole is beneficial to progesterone related gyno....arimidex is not.