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crnetxia

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What is anavar?
My doctor will not give me deca.
I am NOW running exactly one hour per day at my target heart rate.


I am taking medication for Depression. EFEXSOR and it is WORKING PEFECTLY! [email protected]
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Jose Martinez

[This message has been edited by crnetxia (edited January 25, 2000).]

[This message has been edited by crnetxia (edited July 31, 2000).]
 
With all respect, it sounds like you have lost your will to fight. I would strongly advise you to try therapy and an SSRI. Also, personal training is a good way to make sure you get to the gym.

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Yours in sport,

George

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The best advice I could give you is to get yourself informed as much as possible. Do a lot of research because that's the only way you will find the answers that your looking for to reach your goals.


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DAMN BRO WHAT THE HELL?????? I FEEL LIKE SHIT AFTER READING THIS............. BRO ALWAYS KNOW YOU HAVE A HOME HERE BRO AND I MEAN THIS FROM INSIDE...I AM A STRAIGHT MARRIED MALE WITH MANY GAY FRIENDS THAT I AM REAL KOOL WITH ,AND THAT SHARE SOME OF YOUR JOURNEYS BRO...ANYTIME YOU HAVE A QUESTION ALL HERE WILL HAVE THE RESPECT TO TREAT YOU AS ONE OF US CAUSE YOU ARE AND WILL BE WILLING TO HELP YOU BRO WITH YOUR QUESTIONS!
TAKE CARE OF THAT DIET AND ALWAYS KNOW THE ELITEFITNESS FAM CARES BRO THIS IS YOUR HOME BRO.........

WITH MUCH RESPECT,
BIZ!


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GET BIG BRO'S!
 
CANNOT SAY MUCH EXCEPT RIGHT ON!! AND GET YOUR HEAD UP, IT'S THE ONLY WAY IN ORDER TO MAKE IT!

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CRYPTONITE
 
Guy this is going to sound bad but you need to get rid of the i feel sorry attitude and change. You do have probs bro but you have to get MEAN!!! to live...Go after life and enjoy what you do have no matter what!!! My wife has a friend that is hiv pos and was going down bad, he got a script for anavar and some moral support and he looks really good again and has aquired a new zest for life...dont give in!!!
 
Get some anavar and some deca for sure it'll make you feel better, will help with the aids too


take 400mg deca/week and 25mg anavar a day

E2
 
Hey Bro,
I agree with Big Tex Levi...You gotta get mean...I mean mad dog fuck'in mean!!! That don't mean go out and hurt someone. Channel all that inner pain to aggression in the gym. Being a HUNK....HELL man just be yourself. Where I work out, I'd much rather train with smaller guys. It's not a complex thing, it's they're more sincere in their workouts, not standing in front of the mirror thinking HOW GREAT I AM!! Discpline...The most under used word in the dictionary. It's not a once in a while thing...It's an everyday thing. Don't see your goals as out of reach...make them a reality. Feel bad...Hell go for a walk. World got you down...Go to the gym. You'll find most will accept you for who you are. When results start to show you'll feel better about yourself. Pretty soon you'll realize being a HUNK is just a picture on the wall after all. That's the illusion my man. Motivation starts in the heart...discpline in the mind......don't ever let anyone tell you...you CAN'T!!!!!

Peace Bro,

The Ranger
 
thank you for your replies everyone
I guess I have given up
I taking EFFEXOR XR 150mg to not get too depressed and try take my life and hurt my fat body.
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Jose Martinez

[This message has been edited by crnetxia (edited July 31, 2000).]
 
Hey bro,

I'm sorry to hear about your problems, that really sucks, but ou can't let yourself be depressed, and you can't look to other people to make you work out.

Right now your have the chance to greatly improve the quality of your life to come. Do a little research. Check out http://www.medibolics.com --This site is about AIDS research, and the use of ergogens to combat muscle degeneration. Look at www.brinkzone.com --there is an article there about the supplementation to combat HIV.

If your doctor isn't willing to help you with steroids, then find one that will. Don't wait on somebody to kick your ass into working out, only you can make your make your life better. The future looks good as far as treating AIDS, its just up to you to take care of yourself until a cure is found. If I can help in anyway drop me an email.
 
Wow, thats hardcore dude. I have to agree with the rest of the guys. Keep this in mind dude, life aint no dress rehearsal. Putting pics of big dudes on your wall wont do anything but get you down because you dont look like that. Motivation is a simple as this...how bad do you want it? You want it? Get after it, like the bros said..get mean, like a machine man, unstoppable. Theres alot of bad four letter words out there, but the one I hate the worst is "quit". Dont worry about being a "hunk" thats completely superficial and wont help you in the least, instead focus on what you can do now, and now you can live, live healthy, strong, and wise, cause Ill tell you this man, I think that type of courage would be admired by anyone in this forum hands down.

Until you can get a doctor to provide you with what it is you need, I suggest going on some glutamine. Its being used on HIV patients in hospitals and in most case studies have shown a 67% increase in muscle growth as opposed to degredation. Its available over the counter at any health or fitness store. Good Luck Bro, my prayers are with you....Godspeed
 
I will tell you a brief history. Once when i was in a university, some guy came to the class a began to talk his history, he was a good guy but one night he knew a beautifull women and he did what erery guy had done, but without protection. Then he get aids. His life was horrible with a lot of depression, he almost kill himself, but a girl save her, she took him to a chuch, and talked to him about god and feith, and he is one nowday one of the 5000 person that could cure his aids because of faith, and this is true, in all the world this was the only true cure to the aids, and curiosly, noone other religions that Believe in Jesus and in his father could do the same. I tell you this because i know one guy that also get the cure because of faith, man faith can do thing that we never seen, it all depends of you.

I always read a technical research papers about aids and all the people and doctors are very interesting in the aplication of Decadurabolin like a posibble "cure" of aids, it doesnt cure but it make syndrome to act very very slow.

If you need anything you are in the right discusion forum.

Have a lot of hope....



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Hi, i would like to share my experience and knowledge with you, and, of course, learn from your experience and knowledge of bodybuilding, make contacts and friends.
 
Guy;
No one can motivate you. That is something like stress and is supplied internally. You have to be willing, otherwise, it's like pushing string.

If your HMO won't give you a refferral to ANY other doctors, get a lawyer to sue them. Everybody else does. If you get a few million off your HMO, I bet you will find someone to warm you up (just kidding).

Anavar or Deca-Durabolin are great steroids for combating wasting associated with AIDS, but it doesn't sound like you are that far gone yet. Until then, don't mess around with steroids. Hormonal therapy of any kind can make your mood even more unstable and you already sound depressed.

If you still feel you need some external motivation, try an exercise class or a martial arts class. When you are in a group, its harder to slack off, and you might meet someone you like.

As to meeting someone, I have some unasked for advice. In any kind of relationship, you have to provide something of value. I hear all the time (usually from Women) "All the guys I meet are jerks". I usually tell them that I find that hard to belive, but if they pursue the matter I ask them "If you met the perfect guy, great personality, spiritually grounded, good job, good looks, what makes you think he would think you are good enough for him?" It's brutal but true, we usually end up with what we deserve. If you want to hook up with a better person, be a better person.

My .02

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Dr. Savage, PhD. (I am not a bodybuilder, amature or otherwise)
 
I sounds like you really need to get your head together first. Get it together upstairs and the rest will follow. Gay OR streight, we all have problems. Don't misplace your faith in others, place it in yourself! Instead if having pics of other guys as modivation, get a pic of yourself. Kind of a 'before' and 'after'. That way you know how YOU are doing. Have some way of measuring your progress. It doesn't happen overnight.

Don't look at it as if you're competing with the pro bodybuilders. Your compitition is yourself. It's placing an extra 5 lbs. on the bar or that extra rep! When I practice archery, I try for that extra bulleye. I don't care what everyone does, I want to know what I can do. Lifting weights is not a team sport.

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Call me cold hearted but...get a life ! You've spent alot of time making up an excuse for every suggestion that's been thrown to you. You either don't have enough personal fortitude to change your life or you're getting a real big kick out of reading these replies. I would suppose that at one point in your life you had enough courage to admit that you were gay, right ? Don't you think it would take less effort to get up off the couch and make an improvement ? If you want to lay around and feel sorry for yourself...you probably will die a lonely out of shape person. Instead of sitting around looking at the pictures on the wall....get up and work out. No one can make you do anything. Someone out there said "you're born small and weak and you die small and weak, how you live in between is up to you". Steroids are not the answer to your problems, if you don't atleast do something physical, you're done. I'm sure that someone involved in your lifestyle can get you your drugs...but they can't workout for you.

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If the bar ain't bending, you're not lifting enough !

BPP
 
I am not using roids at all.
I just to have what it takes to make it.
Thanks for you response.
Have a nice day SIR.
Jose
 
I am not using roids at all.
I just to have what it takes to make it.
Thanks for you response.
Have a nice day SIR.
Jose


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Jose Martinez
 
Hey bro, sorry to hear about your problems. Here is a website about steroids and weightlifting for HIV victims. It has useful steroid info in general for any others that may want to check it out. Hopoe its of some help for you.
www.medibolics.com
 
I have a very good friend that suffers from depression, and when she starts to exhibit an attitude such as yours: being very negative, self-defeating, her meds are not working properly. People who suffer from depression often are misunderstood by those who have no clue what they are going through. Those who will tell you "just get over it, dude", don't understand how little control over your emotions you have when brain chemicals that are out of balance. If you are not feeling positive about helping yourself, there is the possibility that you are taking the wrong meds for your depression. Steriods themselves will not cause you to lose bodyfat, only diet modifications can do that. One other side effect about diet modification is that some forms of depression are CAUSED by what you eat! Steriods can cause you to be more motivated to exercise and in some cases they can make you feel more aggressive which helps your workouts too. I can't and won't help you find your soulmate. You were given good advice by the person who told you that you have to be the kind of person someone wants to be with. Get you depression under control first and then you might not be so negative about your self and your future. If you want to do steriods, lack of a prescription is not a problem, you have access to the internet, you can get steriods. Focus on the solutions and not the problems. I monitor this board, so keep in touch.
 
Some say that when your young it's the best time of your life. I think that's wrong. That's what you spend the rest of your life trying to overcome! hehe... See, beginnings are scary, and endings are usually sad. It's what happens in the middle that counts the most. Just give hope a chance to float up and it will.

I live by this... So maybe you can too.


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Rock On!
 
SIR
I got hired today for a gig
pplaying mexican music at a mexican resutant in MARION IOWA
starting friday
6pm
I look like shit
I lack the drive you have
Always dreamed of being a pro bodybuilder
That is why I turned to the USA gay community to find a male gay trainer
But the results are>>>>>No one is interested
My doctor told me today that I MUST start exerciseing or else HIV is not what is going to kill me.
I guess I have low self esteem but maybe it is because I am a lonely gay male in IOWA with HIV.
I have been placing ads in both MEXICO and FRANCE and and AMERICAN classified personal want ads places.
NO LUCK.
If I really wanted roid then I know I couold get them one way or another.
But I fear the police too much.
So I am legal for now.
ALSO it would be a waste of money to use roids if I don't workout
I wish someone could find me a MALE GAY trainer to move in with me
HE could live with me rent free
ALL I would want is HUGS, LOVE, ACTION, and FORCED WORKOUTS
Well sir
I am NOT you
MANY GUYS are NOT LIKE YOU
Lots of guys don't have the INSIDES to PUSH THEM to greatness as yourself
DAMN
I have tried to end it all many times already beucase I am fat and alone without a MAN in my life.
BUT THE POLICE STOPED me and locked me up in the hospital
So they are always watching out for me
I am ok now
Music is my only other thing I have excelled in besides electronics
IIf it were humanly possible SIR
I beg you to help me find that ONE guy that could kick my ass to greatness
I know that once I get going and LIKE what I see and get with my body that
I WOULD NOT QUIT
I been in AMWAY FOR YEARS and still have not made a penny
HAVE I QUIT? HELL NO! I AM NOT A QUITER!
I am just not a starter.
PLEASE SIR
HELP ME
JOSE MARTINEZ

P. S. IF you know anything about MEXICO's HISTORY
My GREAT GREAT GREAT GRAND parents are the same parents of PORFILO DIAZ PRESIDENT OF MEXICO years ago. THAT IS MY HERITAGE!
VIVA MEXICO!



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Jose Martinez
 
Hello Jose Martinez:

I think I’m going to get my head chew off for what I’m about to say:

For GOD sake Grow up!!!! Jezz!, I have AIDS I’m with a HMO and yes I fought them to get my roids!! It was no fun but I did. Even before I took on the HMO I had to take on my doctor. It took me 6 months and a lot of information from the net before she would give them to me. After my first cycle, the Doctor’s group she was in was in an uproar because I was “bankrupting” their profit margin. You bet your fat lazy ass I went to war. I won and they back down. If you get off your ass and ask a few simple questions you might find out some things.

1. Check to see if you HMO cover the three Roids approve for the US market:
a. Oxandrin
b. Deca-Durabolin
c. Anadro-50

2. Ask your doctor to run test to see if you are suffering from some form of Lipodystrophy. This can be shrinking or wasting in the face legs, etc or having a potbelly. (You never say what meds you are on and how long you have been on them?)
3. If the test shows you are suffering from Lipodystrophy then you have a foothold to work from.
4. Lipodystrophy is now consider a form of wasting so you should have no problem getting the Roids from your doctor.

As for getting words of encouragement forget it.!!!

I have AIDS and that all the motivation I need to get me to the gym!! I have Lipodystrophy from the cocktails and at one point I look like I was in my 10 month and my arms and legs look like sticks. I got off my ass and got to work.

ONLY you can do this…NO Hunk will do it for you period!!! If you really want this you better go do it now !

Please go to this site:

http://www.medibolics.com/

If you really feel you need to be forced then try this site:
http://users.sexyboards.com/gpf15782/
 
I don't mean to sound critical BUT,
you have this goal for yourself to look like some sort of greek god and from the description of yourself that you gave, you are a long way off. If you start with smaller goals they will be much easier to achieve and you WILL make gradual steps toward your ultimate goal. Instead of punishing yourself for not transposing your phyique overnight, set a small goal and PRAISE yourself when you reach it. For example, commit to maybe walking a block or whatever is comfortable and don't push yourself too hard. You can progress when it's comfortable to do so. Nobody starts out with gruelling workout's. It takes awhile to get there. Try a few pushups or situps. You WILL make progress and feel better about yourself when you do.
 
thank for the posting
i am no longer in iowa
I am in long beach ca
i now have room for my gym set.
the doctor recommented roid program and scrink
i live alone in a bu
big house
with my cat
he comes where I go.
i still have some old legal deca and testostorome and vit b
from years ago
but i do need forced workouts froma agay top or tops/freinds
monday i start working 2nd shift.
562-590-0756
pager
562-918-4383
computer is shot
it did not make the trip well

2300 miles over monutains is hard on computers
 
don't mean to be a hardasss but i have a problem with a couple of things you say. i think you're fooling yourself if you claim to be gay because you were molested. more and more research is showing the genetic basis for homosexuality. the fact that you're "very gay" ("nellie") seems to tell me that you were just born a bit on the feminine side.

secondly, i hope i misinterpreted your last post about needing a gay top to train with. (for those of you not familiar with gay lingo, think top=pitcher, bottom=catcher) i don't think this board was designed as a place to pick up men.
 
At this point I don't even thyink this person is real I told him wher to get help and where to find a trainer who force workout on him. But he keeps missing the point.
 
Dude. You're a loser.

After reading all your posts.....well, at first I felt sorry for you. Now I am just disgusted with you.

Nothing is gonna help you. You want a hunk but a hunk isn't gonna want you. You lack anything desirable and have no intention of ever getting it. You can move from Iowa to California but you can't run from yourself.

NOBODY, will ever want the job of kicking your ass to motivate you. You came into this world alone and you will die alone. That is the truth, that is life. There is no escaping it. Our own humanity alienates us one from another. If you ain't got self reliance you have nothing.

Get your hormones under control. The fact that you are gay is not appealing or cute. Gays are stronger and better than you make them out to be. They are resilient, resourceful, hard, passionate and are driven by a need to prove that they are someone to no one else but themselves.

Your HIV and depression doesn't impress me either. Been there, done that. The only one who can change you is you, no one else, just you.

Be a man.
 
After posting that I realized that it was a flame, and I would like to apologize to the board.

I don't apologize to the recipient just to those who had to read it.

After reading all his posts, it became quite evident that he wasn't serious and was just looking for a date. This shouldn't be. Sorry. Peace bros.
 
Sir,
thank you for the truth.
I am working out on MY OWN
Running one hour a day FAITHFULLY ALONE.
I am lifting WEIGHTS ALONE.
Yes sir your right.
I took care of the depression with medication.
Now I am on my way.


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Jose Martinez
 
Im 6'2 235 pounds at around 9 or 10% bodyfat! And I have depression, I have had it all my life- I have a brother that killed himself almost 5 years ago from it. He was a big guy 5'11`270 solid not fat, he didnt drink or do any kind of drugs--not even AS. I guess Im telling you this because what you look like on the outside has very little to do with the way your brain works---These guys make alot of sense, stay with your meds but more importantly -therapy is what you need, be 100% honest with your therapist ---No matter how you feel, down or up--You can control it--it will always be an ongoing battle but it doesnt have to be a bad one. The diff. between you and the confident guy is that he loves and believes in himself, as soon as you start doing that you will realize how much easier your life with flow.
 
Had to respond to this!

Well I am new to this board and just had to respond.

1) It is REALLY encouraging to see the positive reponses posted. This must be a great board. Especially from the moderators.

2) Being one that suffers from depression and panic attacks - there is hope. You have to be willing to Fight if you have to -to get in touch with people who can help. For my panic attacks it was actually a friend that I had confided in about them that gave me a recommendation for Paxil. It changed my life! Along with that was some Panic Management classes offered by my HMO. It was invaluable. I still can get them, but have learned how to RE-ACT positively when I do.

3) Depression is another gift I have been given. This is a little harder to handle, but again there is hope. Medications can surely get you over the big bumps, but look for a therapist. If you have a HMO, they have to have them, along with crisis experts and the like.

The biggest battle is to gain trust and go for it. You have to make the decision that I don'w want to live like this anymore! God willing you can get there and then - don't be afraid to talk your ass off. Its all the things you don't want to talk about that you need to share. Trust me on this - its a burden being lifted like you never have experienced.

3) In my experience, physical activity is the best medicine. Keep moving till they HAVE to put you in the grave!

4) Look for books by Jon Kaiser, MD. He is an HIV/AIDS specialist in SF and has a wonnderful set of guidelines to discuss with your Doc. To rule out some OTHER things that can be going wrong.

5)See if you can at least get Oxandrin - should help with muscle mass - its a steroid, but weak and little side effects for most.

6) final word - you may feel like crap, but so something for yourself everyday that makes you feel good - Laugh a lot.

Good luck
 
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