Mother T....

[heatherrae]

Your comparison is so ridiculous it doesn't deserve a response......

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RIZS7jIy608

Your attack on Mother Theresa's morals didn't really deserve one either, but you have over 4 pages now.

Seriously, you think you are morally superior to Mother Theresa?



Okay, my angry little atheist. Continue your propaganda of hate.

 

[javaguru]

Your attack on Mother Theresa's morals didn't really deserve one either, but you have over 4 pages now.

Seriously, you think you are morally superior to Mother Theresa?



Okay, my angry little atheist. Continue your propaganda of hate.

Where did I attack her morals? Bill Gates has done more to help the poor than Mother T.....he should be Sainted......
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bill_&_Melinda_Gates_Foundation

Unlike her, he actually tries to help the poor to have a better life as opposed to letting them die on the floor of a second rate flophouse without adequate medical care and being refused visitation by their family.

Do you complain and rail when people criticize Bill Gates? It seems that once someone invokes a supernatural being they are suddenly above reproach???

http://www.secularhumanism.org/library/fi/hitchens_16_4.html

HITCHENS: The care facilities are grotesquely simple: rudimentary, unscientific, miles behind any modern conception of what medical science is supposed to do. There have been a number of articles - I've collected some more since my book came out - about the failure and primitivism of her treatment of lepers and the dying, of her attitude towards medication and prophylaxis. Very rightly is it said that she tends to the dying, because if you were doing anything but dying she hasn't really got much to offer.

This is interesting because, first, she only proclaims to be providing people with a Catholic death, and, second, because of the enormous amounts of money mainly donated to rather than raised by her Order. We've been unable to audit this - no one has ever demanded an accounting of how much money has flowed in her direction. With that money she could have built at least one absolutely spanking new, modern teaching hospital in Calcutta without noticing the cost.

The facilities she runs are as primitive now as when she first became a celebrity. So that's obviously not where the money goes.

 

[Bikini Mod]

The person who spoke on her behalf was just a terrible spokesperson. If she really is so mean and nasty and doing these nefarious deeds, what was it all for? Buildings in her name? What enjoyment did she get from them?some people just want to be salacious about everyone. Slinging mud at Mother Theresa is a new low, though.

Well you think that if it is so importnat for the Church to defend their choice for a saint (even though they are breaking the rules to saint her which I dont understand) then they might have made a better choice for a spokesperson. As for what she got from having say 10 buildings with her name on it that were less than acceptable as opposed to only 2 buildings with her name on it that did actually do something to help ease the suffering of the poor. My guess would be is that she was a megalomaniac? Doesnt make her the devil, just makes her less than saintly. And even less than charitable, IMO.

She did NOTHING besides being a nun. She had NOTHING. She gave all her time to charity and the church.

Is she perfect? I doubt it. Did she have a thing about suffering? Hell if I know. If she did, at least she truly went out there and did what she thought was bringing people to God, etc. That is far more than 99.999999% of people ever do.

Seriously, if you guys want to bash people in the church, stick with the ones who deserve it -- some of the televangelists and child molesters. Leave Mother Theresa out of it.

I'm not Catholic. I don't get the whole saint thing, anyway. If they want to honor her by calling her a saint, I don't care. lol. None of my business. However, I don't like to see a very good person trashed for shits and giggles.

I dont disagree with the bolded part of your statement AT ALL.

I know you have a good heart and are probably more angry with the fact that it seems people are trashing someone who can no longer defend themselves (she is dead afterall) rather than who it is that is being trashed. My ex is catholic and his aunt is a nun and a high ranking nun at that. I can sit here and cite all sorts of less than becoming conduct on her part both *professionally* and *privately* as a human being. But that won't elevate my status in anyone's eyes, so why should I bother? My children saw her for the kind of person she was EXACTLY and that is enough for me.

Having said that, I think that The Catholic Church should be the one critisized for:

A - being so stupid as to choose an individual that doesn't even fit their own criteria for sainthood. Then doing a crappy job of altering that criteria. What were they thinking? That the entire world is filled with weak-minded sheep? Goodness knows they got away with that shit for centuries but come on now.

B - making an equally bad choice for who they chose to champion that person who is obviously incapable of championing herself. I mean, hello - she is dead.

As for the Ghandi clip. I have to say that I believe his grandson did quite a good job defending his grandfather. Maybe the church should have chosen Ghandi for sainthood? ('course you must know that I am saying this half tongue-in-cheek... right?)

 

[heatherrae]

Where did I attack her morals? Bill Gates has done more to help the poor than Mother T.....he should be Sainted......
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bill_&_Melinda_Gates_Foundation

Unlike her, he actually tries to help the poor to have a better life as opposed to letting them die on the floor of a second rate flophouse without adequate medical care and being refused visitation by their family.

Do you complain and rail when people criticize Bill Gates? It seems that once someone invokes a supernatural being they are suddenly above reproach???

http://www.secularhumanism.org/library/fi/hitchens_16_4.html

HITCHENS: The care facilities are grotesquely simple: rudimentary, unscientific, miles behind any modern conception of what medical science is supposed to do. There have been a number of articles - I've collected some more since my book came out - about the failure and primitivism of her treatment of lepers and the dying, of her attitude towards medication and prophylaxis. Very rightly is it said that she tends to the dying, because if you were doing anything but dying she hasn't really got much to offer.

This is interesting because, first, she only proclaims to be providing people with a Catholic death, and, second, because of the enormous amounts of money mainly donated to rather than raised by her Order. We've been unable to audit this - no one has ever demanded an accounting of how much money has flowed in her direction. With that money she could have built at least one absolutely spanking new, modern teaching hospital in Calcutta without noticing the cost.

The facilities she runs are as primitive now as when she first became a celebrity. So that's obviously not where the money goes.

Yes, I would have a problem if someone railed on him for doing charity work because even that wasn't good enough or perfect enough for them. Seems you just like to bash anyone with any religious affiliations regardless of the good deeds that they do. You don't know shit about the work she did in India. You see a 10 minute clip from a couple of magicians/comedians and think you are an expert on her life? Give us all a break from your hate.

As for Sainthood, BM, I really don't care about sainthood. Like I said, I don't get into the whole saints thing. I'm not Catholic.

I just think that to sit around bashing a woman who very CLEARLY must have thought that she was doing the best work that she could to help the poor is in VERY BAD TASTE. If all of us were willing to dedicate our entire lives to help others, like she did, even if we were not perfect, this world would be a much better place.

She died in poverty herself. What did she have? Her robes to cover herself and her frail little body? What else? Nothing. She gave all she had. I can't believe people are targeting her with their hate because they are conflicted about religion. Good deeds are good deeds whether you believe in God, the church, aliens or whatever. Who cares?

 

[Bikini Mod]

Yes, I would have a problem if someone railed on him for doing charity work because even that wasn't good enough or perfect enough for them. Seems you just like to bash anyone with any religious affiliations regardless of the good deeds that they do. You don't know shit about the work she did in India. You see a 10 minute clip from a couple of magicians/comedians and think you are an expert on her life? Give us all a break from your hate.

As for Sainthood, BM, I really don't care about sainthood. Like I said, I don't get into the whole saints thing. I'm not Catholic.

I just think that to sit around bashing a woman who very CLEARLY must have thought that she was doing the best work that she could to help the poor is in VERY BAD TASTE. If all of us were willing to dedicate our entire lives to help others, like she did, even if we were not perfect, this world would be a much better place.

She died in poverty herself. What did she have? Her robes to cover herself and her frail little body? What else? Nothing. She gave all she had. I can't believe people are targeting her with their hate because they are conflicted about religion. Good deeds are good deeds whether you believe in God, the church, aliens or whatever. Who cares?

I do see what you are saying and it does seem unfortunate that whether she was good or just she thought she was doing good - that a person is being defamed posthumously because the very institution that is *using her* didn't think it through quite properly.

I think this rests more with the stupidity of the catholic church than anyplace else. Sadly, it is human nature to want to kick someone when they are down it seems.

 

[heatherrae]

I do see what you are saying and it does seem unfortunate that whether she was good or just she thought she was doing good - that a person is being defamed posthumously because the very institution that is *using her* didn't think it through quite properly.

I think this rests more with the stupidity of the catholic church than anyplace else. Sadly, it is human nature to want to kick someone when they are down it seems.

Ah yeah, well I won't defend the Catholic Church here...lol. Their coverups for priests over the years is something that I can't forgive. They do lots of good things, but, WOW, do they do lots of BAD things! Mother Theresa and I surely wouldn't agree on very much at all from a religious standpoint. I just think that she was a good person not deserving of lots of posthumous derisive bashing.

 

[redsamurai]

I have to admit that before watching that clip, I knew not a whole lot about mother theresa......but here's what I "thought" I knew.........that she was outside of the vatican and it's politics and was more of a human being than a "catholic"..........I feel I may have been misguided. Mother Theresa it appears was another catholic robot that yes, mnistered to the poor..........but with a plate of food in one hand and a bible in the other, you couldn't get that food unless you took the scripture that came with it. My god......50 million dollars she raised and did what with it? She was indeed simply a money maker for the vatican............those 50 million went into the vatican coffers to expand their politics around the globe. When those people gave her those 50 million dollars.........I"LL BET EVERYTHING I HAVE that they gave it to her under the understanding that the money would be geared towards making her ministry better, ensuring that people died with dignity or GASP!!!, didn't have to die at all because they got the proper medical attention. But I think it was pretty clear from her actions and the statements she made infront of the camera, that it was more important to her to have these people fullfill some kind of lame christian suffering agenda than to ACTUALLY help these people in a meaningful way...........such as proper medical attention and whatnot. I'm disgusted.........I really am.............and yet another aspect of this world which I "thought" remained pure, has been decimated............I mean fuck, is there anything pure left in this world? Is there "true" selflessness left anywhere? Is every good deed backloaded with personal agenda's and self furtherment and power seeking?? WTF??
And just the sight of that swine bred Donhue anymore makes me ill!! Listening to his feckless mealy mouthed car salesman like affirmations and assurances of purity makes me want to take my computer and throw it out the window........

 

[Gambino]

I have to admit that before watching that clip, I knew not a whole lot about mother theresa......but here's what I "thought" I knew.........that she was outside of the vatican and it's politics and was more of a human being than a "catholic"..........I feel I may have been misguided. Mother Theresa it appears was another catholic robot that yes, mnistered to the poor..........but with a plate of food in one hand and a bible in the other, you couldn't get that food unless you took the scripture that came with it. My god......50 million dollars she raised and did what with it? She was indeed simply a money maker for the vatican............those 50 million went into the vatican coffers to expand their politics around the globe. When those people gave her those 50 million dollars.........I"LL BET EVERYTHING I HAVE that they gave it to her under the understanding that the money would be geared towards making her ministry better, ensuring that people died with dignity or GASP!!!, didn't have to die at all because they got the proper medical attention. But I think it was pretty clear from her actions and the statements she made infront of the camera, that it was more important to her to have these people fullfill some kind of lame christian suffering agenda than to ACTUALLY help these people in a meaningful way...........such as proper medical attention and whatnot. I'm disgusted.........I really am.............and yet another aspect of this world which I "thought" remained pure, has been decimated............I mean fuck, is there anything pure left in this world? Is there "true" selflessness left anywhere? Is every good deed backloaded with personal agenda's and self furtherment and power seeking?? WTF??
And just the sight of that swine bred Donhue anymore makes me ill!! Listening to his feckless mealy mouthed car salesman like affirmations and assurances of purity makes me want to take my computer and throw it out the window........

watch the dala lama clip bro
pretty interesting
good debate hr/jg

 

[redsamurai]

watch the dala lama clip bro
pretty interesting
good debate hr/jg

why should I? so I can shown more human impotence and corruption? I've had enough of that for one day.

 

[Gambino]

why should I? so I can shown more human impotence and corruption? I've had enough of that for one day.

i'd rather know then remain ignorant
but either way, i think you are talking it too personally.
you can still respect mother t and d.lama
if anything, i do more so cause i know they are imperfect as i