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Gambino
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in the same token, this is only one side of the coinredsamurai said:
penn and teller just provide one side...you'd really have to see both arguements side by side to make a sound call on mother T IMO
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penn and teller just provide one side...you'd really have to see both arguements side by side to make a sound call on mother T IMO
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heatherrae
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That is a ridiculous statement that they made. Did they present any PROOF at all that she diverted any money from the poor? NO. Despite all their crazy allegations and speculation, they didn't show any misappropriation by Mother Theresa. Do you think she has the checkbook to the Catholic Church? I don't know how much control that she had, where the money was spent, etc. NEITHER DO PENN & TELLER or the crackpots in that video. They presented 0 evidence, and everyone is so quick to jump on her as some evildoer. I think the only EVIDENCE that I have ever seen was to her selfless devotion to the church and to the poor.BIKINIMOM said:
They twisted a very common sentiment in Christian religion about suffering to their own liking. Truth is, I'm sure she saw more suffering than all of us on ef will ever see in our collective lives. When faced with that sort of suffering, the only way to deal with it is to try to make some sense of it. For her to say that those who suffer are closer to God, to me, speaks to her big heart. That is the way she found to make sense of all the suffering that she had seen. Just like when we see our loved ones suffer and die and then imagine that they are with God when they die. We need that to face the suffering. I can relate to what she said and why she said it.
redsamurai
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Gambino said:
they brought up enough for me to see the vatican greasy little fingers in all of it..........I need not see the other side............cause the other side say's..."look what we did with that money, we furthered christianity throughout the godless pagan realms and brought them real salvation"...........
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heatherrae said:
Oh I dont think for one second that she was any sort of mastermind and I believe she probably didnt have much control.
My opinions about Mother Theresa haven't changed to be honest. I just thought that some interesting questions were raised and I should wonder if this will ever be resolved.
We all know how dirty scandal is... Sad, sad, sad.
redsamurai
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heatherrae said:
you think she didn't know about the 50 million dollars? She used that money to build up her ministries and nunneries around the world.............so I have to assume she had some control over how that money was spent. Remember, these donations weren't to the catholic church per se, they were to her...........but the correct insinuation, IMO, is that the money was funneled to the church. Alot of non catholics gave money to her because they beleived in her ministry and hoped that money would be spent alleviating the suffering of her people...........as it turns out it looks like suffering is what she wanted as some sort of spiritual thing for her...........I don't know, I have no answer for that notion........it's so outside my moral and ethical ethos that I just............just.................well..........whatever.
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And for the record, I never really thought much about her one way or another as I was raised protestant. For us it always seemed odd that ANYONE would give up family life to *serve*. The way I was raised that you can still serve God and have a family.
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heatherrae
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mere speculation on your part. You really have no idea about the finances of the charities or the church.redsamurai said:
You also have no idea what work those nuns were doing in the nunneries. I doubt they just sat on their asses all day. They normally do lots of good charity work.
Plus, I don't think anyone was mislead to think that donating to MOTHER THERESA was not affiliated with the Catholic Church.
Really people, do you have any good evidence before you lambast this woman who died penniless and with nothing but her good name? Man, you people are quick to deride a person based on speculation and nasty rumor.
javaguru
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The second author Penn and Teller interviewed on their show was a physician working for Mother T's charity. Hitchens, a legitimate journalist, actually interviewed numerous former employees about the conditions. In the interview with him that I posted earlier he said enough people came forward after he published the book for him to write a volume II. Mother T's charity didn't publish any form of financial documentation, unlike other charities. Consumer watch groups will advise people to only give to charities that publish their financial information because not doing so is a sign of a scam....heatherrae said:
javaguru
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As far as all the money going into the general operating fund of the Catholic Church.... This was money her charity controlled.....
"HITCHENS: Well, I have the testimony of a former very active member of her Order who worked for her for many years and ended up in the office Mother Teresa maintains in New York City. She was in charge of taking the money to the bank. She estimates that there must be $50 million in that bank account alone. She said that one of the things that began to raise doubts in her mind was that the Sisters always had to go around pretending that they were very poor and they couldn't use the money for anything in the neighborhood that required alleviation. Under the cloak of avowed poverty they were still soliciting donations, labor, food, and so on from local merchants. This she found as a matter of conscience to be offensive.
Now if that is the case for one place in New York, and since we know what huge sums she has been given by institutions like the Nobel Peace committee, other religious institutions, secular prize-giving organizations, and so on, we can speculate that if this money was being used for the relief of suffering we would be able to see the effect. "
"I think it's a very small portion, and we should call for an audit of her organization. She carefully doesn't keep the money in India because the Indian government requires disclosure of foreign missionary organizations funds.
I think the answer to questions about her wealth was given by her in an interview where she said she had opened convents and nunneries in 120 countries. The money has simply been used for the greater glory of her order and the building of dogmatic, religious institutions. "
"HITCHENS: Well, I have the testimony of a former very active member of her Order who worked for her for many years and ended up in the office Mother Teresa maintains in New York City. She was in charge of taking the money to the bank. She estimates that there must be $50 million in that bank account alone. She said that one of the things that began to raise doubts in her mind was that the Sisters always had to go around pretending that they were very poor and they couldn't use the money for anything in the neighborhood that required alleviation. Under the cloak of avowed poverty they were still soliciting donations, labor, food, and so on from local merchants. This she found as a matter of conscience to be offensive.
Now if that is the case for one place in New York, and since we know what huge sums she has been given by institutions like the Nobel Peace committee, other religious institutions, secular prize-giving organizations, and so on, we can speculate that if this money was being used for the relief of suffering we would be able to see the effect. "
"I think it's a very small portion, and we should call for an audit of her organization. She carefully doesn't keep the money in India because the Indian government requires disclosure of foreign missionary organizations funds.
I think the answer to questions about her wealth was given by her in an interview where she said she had opened convents and nunneries in 120 countries. The money has simply been used for the greater glory of her order and the building of dogmatic, religious institutions. "
javaguru
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Mother T was considered an extremist in the Catholic Church.....but she was also an opportunist.....
"By the way, there is an interesting angle to that which has not yet appeared in print. During the Divorce Referendum the Irish Catholic church threatened to deny the sacrament to women who wanted to be remarried. There were no exceptions to be allowed: it didn't matter if you had been married to an alcoholic who beat you and sexually assaulted your children, you were not going to get a second chance in this world or the next. And that is the position that Mother Teresa intervened in Ireland to support.
Now shift the scene: Mother Teresa is a sort of confessor to Princess Diana. They have met many times. You can see the mutual interest; I'm not sure which of them needs the other the most. But Mother Teresa was interviewed by Ladies Home Journal, a magazine read by millions of American women, and in the course of it she says that she heard that Princess Diana was getting divorced and she really hopes so because she will be so much happier that way."
"By the way, there is an interesting angle to that which has not yet appeared in print. During the Divorce Referendum the Irish Catholic church threatened to deny the sacrament to women who wanted to be remarried. There were no exceptions to be allowed: it didn't matter if you had been married to an alcoholic who beat you and sexually assaulted your children, you were not going to get a second chance in this world or the next. And that is the position that Mother Teresa intervened in Ireland to support.
Now shift the scene: Mother Teresa is a sort of confessor to Princess Diana. They have met many times. You can see the mutual interest; I'm not sure which of them needs the other the most. But Mother Teresa was interviewed by Ladies Home Journal, a magazine read by millions of American women, and in the course of it she says that she heard that Princess Diana was getting divorced and she really hopes so because she will be so much happier that way."
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