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Well, now, in part I would agree with redsam. More should have been done with the money. The catholic church loves to build lots of fancy buildings. I don't agree with that practice. However, I don't think that makes Mother Theresa bad. I think she was a pious woman who spent her time raising money for the poor, tending to the poor, etc. If the church didn't spend it the way it should have been spent, I think that is a prime example of bureaucracy gone amuck. I don't think it points to Mother Theresa being a nefarious character in any way, though.
 
heatherrae said:
Well, now, in part I would agree with redsam. More should have been done with the money. The catholic church loves to build lots of fancy buildings. I don't agree with that practice. However, I don't think that makes Mother Theresa bad. I think she was a pious woman who spent her time raising money for the poor, tending to the poor, etc. If the church didn't spend it the way it should have been spent, I think that is a prime example of bureaucracy gone amuck. I don't think it points to Mother Theresa being a nefarious character in any way, though.


agree, but it does question her alleged saintlyness (sp)
saints are held to a higher level of scrutiny, no?
 
Gambino said:
agree, but it does question her alleged saintlyness (sp)
saints are held to a higher level of scrutiny, no?
I have repeated 2 or 3 times that I'm not arguing whether she should be a saint or not. Hell, I don't know. I'm not Catholic. If they want to call her a saint, I don't care one way or the other...lol. I'm sure that all the other saints were just as human as she was, although I'm no expert, by far on Saints.

I just took offense to the original piece which demonized her, in general. The content of the piece was not an argument on whether or not she becomes a saint.
 
Gambino said:
i'd rather know then remain ignorant
but either way, i think you are talking it too personally.
you can still respect mother t and d.lama
if anything, i do more so cause i know they are imperfect as i

Not that imperfect, urchin.




:lmao:
 
heatherrae said:
When you start attacking the character of Mother Theresa Java, you better be clean as a whistle. I like you and all, but I doubt you are half the person as she was. You should learn maybe an iota of humility.
i completely disagree.

anyone making any sort of argument should be judged based on the merits of their argument and nothing else.

having a clean rap sheet doesnt make you right. it often just means youre a better scammer, to keep it clean in the first place.
 
redsamurai said:
I have to admit that before watching that clip, I knew not a whole lot about mother theresa......but here's what I "thought" I knew.........that she was outside of the vatican and it's politics and was more of a human being than a "catholic"..........I feel I may have been misguided. Mother Theresa it appears was another catholic robot that yes, mnistered to the poor..........but with a plate of food in one hand and a bible in the other, you couldn't get that food unless you took the scripture that came with it. My god......50 million dollars she raised and did what with it? She was indeed simply a money maker for the vatican............those 50 million went into the vatican coffers to expand their politics around the globe. When those people gave her those 50 million dollars.........I"LL BET EVERYTHING I HAVE that they gave it to her under the understanding that the money would be geared towards making her ministry better, ensuring that people died with dignity or GASP!!!, didn't have to die at all because they got the proper medical attention. But I think it was pretty clear from her actions and the statements she made infront of the camera, that it was more important to her to have these people fullfill some kind of lame christian suffering agenda than to ACTUALLY help these people in a meaningful way...........such as proper medical attention and whatnot. I'm disgusted.........I really am.............and yet another aspect of this world which I "thought" remained pure, has been decimated............I mean fuck, is there anything pure left in this world? Is there "true" selflessness left anywhere? Is every good deed backloaded with personal agenda's and self furtherment and power seeking?? WTF??
And just the sight of that swine bred Donhue anymore makes me ill!! Listening to his feckless mealy mouthed car salesman like affirmations and assurances of purity makes me want to take my computer and throw it out the window........

very succint and i agree wholeheartedly
 
Gambino said:
i'd rather know then remain ignorant
but either way, i think you are talking it too personally.
you can still respect mother t and d.lama
if anything, i do more so cause i know they are imperfect as i


we all have our personal imperfections.............but when it's institutional?? I mean fuck me, listening to MT talk about how her people are suffering and how it brings them close to jesus and how de facto it brings her closer............well, it's just sick. She was almost using these people's suffering as a way for her own spiritual advancement...............I'm sorry, but that's not human anymore............if you want to call that "imperfection'....so be it............I call that evil
 
redsamurai said:
we all have our personal imperfections.............but when it's institutional?? I mean fuck me, listening to MT talk about how her people are suffering and how it brings them close to jesus and how de facto it brings her closer............well, it's just sick. She was almost using these people's suffering as a way for her own spiritual advancement...............I'm sorry, but that's not human anymore............if you want to call that "imperfection'....so be it............I call that evil
the argument was twisted in that piece. It is a common saying that "the meek shall inherit the earth." I think what she is saying that through their suffering, the poor can better relate to the suffering of Christ. Do I agree with her? No. Do I think she was evil -- so far from it.
 
heatherrae said:
the argument was twisted in that piece. It is a common saying that "the meek shall inherit the earth." I think what she is saying that through their suffering, the poor can better relate to the suffering of Christ. Do I agree with her? No. Do I think she was evil -- so far from it.

well, given the fact that she could have elleviated alot of that suffering with the 50 million dollars she was given that couldn't be accounted for.......and also the fact that it really seemed like "she got off" on their suffering in some way...............yeah, I think it borders evil. She obviously wasn't right in the head, it's also obvious she was being used terribly............so I guess I'll recind judgement till I know more..........but certainly there's something VERY VERY VERY foul with her story, and I'm glad P&T point it out..........cause mainstream media won't.
 
heatherrae said:
the argument was twisted in that piece. It is a common saying that "the meek shall inherit the earth." I think what she is saying that through their suffering, the poor can better relate to the suffering of Christ. Do I agree with her? No. Do I think she was evil -- so far from it.

I dunno Ms PregoRae... I was with you until this point. If she KNOWINGLY diverted money FROM the poor in order to keep them impoverished for some sick sort of "enlightenment and spirituality" that SHE believed could only come from poverty, then I would say she was more than evil.... I would say she truly was a megolomaniac as then she played God.

But who is to know?

One would think that the Catholic church would be IN A HYUGE hurry to open up the accounting to clear Mother Theresa's name from such a horrible charge.
 
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