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Most Overrated Product?

It's very hard to give an answer to this question as it will all be personal prefrance. For me personally, I'd go with Drol. I tried it, twice and both times did nothing really for me (nothing worth while anyways) My training partner tried the same stuff/dose combined with Enanthate and gained 15+lbs within the first 3 weeks.

M18
 
LT3 said:
dnp. winny is bad ass
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This question has no right or wrong answer, just your opinion only. I'm not saying winstrol isn't a great product, however, I think it's overrated because I can accomplish the same goals using test suspension.
 
lol, well ye bro, and thats my opinion, that winny is bad ass. im not saying ure wrong, im just saying from experience, winny is great.
 
d_o_c_ said:
Not any more but Andriol used to be overrated.

Completely useless.
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couln't agree more, I remember when Bill wrote the original Anabolic Reference Guide he said that if Andriol(testosterone undecanoate)were available in the US , it would be the most sought after anabolic. Tried and agree it never lived up to the hype.
 
The pasta pot...

the steam swells the rubber and seals the thing shut until the whole thing is back to room temperature. by then the pasta is cold and stuck together.
 
I Remeber That Muscle Media Article Also, I Dont Agree It Is Useless In The Right Dose It Will Work, It Is Not Economical, Everyone Has A Different Structure And Blueprint, And With All Kinds Of Counterfits Floating Around Combined With The Fact That Everyone Reacts Differently , It Is Impossible To Answer This Question, I Hve Seen Some Guys Who Are Hyper-responsive To The Smallest Amount Of Gear And Others Who Cant Grow On Anyhting
 
monster2929 said:
I Remeber That Muscle Media Article Also, I Dont Agree It Is Useless In The Right Dose It Will Work, It Is Not Economical, Everyone Has A Different Structure And Blueprint, And With All Kinds Of Counterfits Floating Around Combined With The Fact That Everyone Reacts Differently , It Is Impossible To Answer This Question, I Hve Seen Some Guys Who Are Hyper-responsive To The Smallest Amount Of Gear And Others Who Cant Grow On Anyhting
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I agree, that's what's unique about this shit. What's crap to someone, may help others win championships. That's why I stess the point it's an opinion based question only. I guess I should have specified Most Overrated Roid cus I got answers such as dildos, a pasta pot, and a book. My bad.
 
gautho said:
I agree, that's what's unique about this shit. What's crap to someone, may help others win championships. That's why I stess the point it's an opinion based question only. I guess I should have specified Most Overrated Roid cus I got answers such as dildos, a pasta pot, and a book. My bad.
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;)
 
anthony roberts said:
Bill Llewellyn's book.
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Hey, I think Bill's book is pretty good. You can quibble with some of his statements and he does shill his products some, but overall it's a fairly comprehensive guide to all the bodybuilding drugs in use. I haven't read Anthony's book yet, so maybe it's an improvement.
 
Maetenloch said:
Hey, I think Bill's book is pretty good. You can quibble with some of his statements and he does shill his products some, but overall it's a fairly comprehensive guide to all the bodybuilding drugs in use. I haven't read Anthony's book yet, so maybe it's an improvement.
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Ok...it's hard not to be proud of my own book, or critical of Bills without sounding like some dickhead pimping my own shit for profit. Remember, there's literally hundreds of pages of my work available free all over the 'net.

But...here's my honest thoughts on Bill's book...

The only thing I take issue with in it is that there isn't a lot of creativity in it. It's basically profiles that are very conservative, and not much is done with some of the more recent and interesting research involving various Anabolics and such. None of this is surprising, since if the average person e-mails him with a question, there isn't going to be a reply. He no longer talks to "regular" people like you and I (he never replied to my PMs when I was a mod on another board a few years ago- under the screenname "hooker"... yet he took the initiative and e-mailed me out of the blue once he knew I wrote a book). I don't know how you can write a book with any realism when you don't talk to real people, who use real steroids- judging from pics I've seen of him...he doesn't even workout, much less use steroids.

In any case, it's just never been a very creative line of books, and never will be.

Here are a few examples:

Llewellyn lists the proper dose of Arimidex as 1mg/day.

Ok...yea...you can take 1mg/day...but why would you do that when current research suggests that half that dose (.5mgs) is basically equal to a full 1mg dose (1)? I mean....yeah, you can save half your money on Arimidex, so why wouldn't you just do .5mgs? Why isn't that in there?

He tells you how much HCG to use, yet tells you to use it with Clomid even though although Nolvadex is the better choice, and has PROVEN to be VERY synergistic with HCG (3)(4)...and why doesn't he tell you that vitamin E will raise the blood plasma testosterone response to HCG (2).

And...I mean...why use Ketotifen ($40/box) to upgrade Beta-receptors, when Benadryl is 1/10th the cost? Benadryl works to have the same effect as Ketotifen, and does so by inhibiting phospholipase A2, which is the enzyme that breaks down methylated phospholipids, which in turn keeps the phospholipid membrane stable, and thus keeps the receptors functioning properly.

I guess what I'm saying is that the research is there...but it (to me) reads like a catalogue or textbook, and doesn't really have many creative or interesting approaches to anabolics. I wrote my book to be what I'd want to read...like...easy to understand, but very cutting edge...you know?

I guess, I'm saying (and of course I'm biased) that I'd prefer a more Duchaine-type approach to things...put a theory out there, tell us something new, ya know?

None of this is to say Anabolics2006 is not a really cool book, I don't know because I don't have it....but I just prefer a different flavor, I guess.


References:

1. "Estrogen Suppression in Males: Metabolic Effects." The Journal of Clinical Endocrinology & Metabolism Vol. 85, No. 7 2370-2377

http://jcem.endojournals.org/.../full/85/7/2370

2. "Effect of vitamin E on function of pituitary-gonadal axis in male rats and human subjects."Umeda F, Kato K, Muta K, Ibayashi H.

3. Andrologia 1991 Mar-Apr;23(2):109-14
"Effect of an antiestrogen on the testicular response to acute and chronic administration of hCG in normal and hypogonadotropic hypogonadic men: tamoxifen and testicular response to hCG."

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/...2114&query_hl=2

4. J Clin Endocrinol Metab 1980 Nov;51(5):1026-9 "Tamoxifen suppresses gonadotropin-induced 17 alpha-hydroxyprogesterone accumulation in normal men."
 
pound for pound said:
all sorts of thread hi-jacking and didn't even plug the book.... what the hell is the name of it dude?
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you talking about Bill Llewellyn's book? anabolics 2006

Anthony Robert's book is in his siggy
 
anthony roberts said:
Ok...it's hard not to be proud of my own book, or critical of Bills without sounding like some dickhead pimping my own shit for profit. Remember, there's literally hundreds of pages of my work available free all over the 'net.

But...here's my honest thoughts on Bill's book...

The only thing I take issue with in it is that there isn't a lot of creativity in it. It's basically profiles that are very conservative, and not much is done with some of the more recent and interesting research involving various Anabolics and such. <snip>
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I have to agree with you that it's conservative and not really cutting edge. He tends to stick to things that he knows from personal experience or are directly referenced in papers. However I've always viewed it more as reference source and really a starting point for doing any research. For a newbie (which I was when I bought my first edition), it's probably the best single volume steroid reference. He's weakest when explaining how to stack and make use of all the ancillaries. I think the online forums are more up to date in this area. I'll have to check your book out, Anthony. It sounds different than what I was expecting - yet another steroid reference.

Didn't mean to hijack the thread.....
 
Maetenloch said:
I have to agree with you that it's conservative and not really cutting edge. He tends to stick to things that he knows from personal experience or are directly referenced in papers. However I've always viewed it more as reference source and really a starting point for doing any research. For a newbie (which I was when I bought my first edition), it's probably the best single volume steroid reference. He's weakest when explaining how to stack and make use of all the ancillaries. I think the online forums are more up to date in this area. I'll have to check your book out, Anthony. It sounds different than what I was expecting - yet another steroid reference.

Didn't mean to hijack the thread.....
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Actually, we almost used "Not just another profile book" as our slogan...but we thought that was a bit too offensive.

Search for "Anabolic Steroids" on Amazon.com and my book is the first one that comes up...and it's been out for only 3 months! I'm pretty happy with that, and to be perfectly honest, Llewellyn is not. But fuck'em...

Check it out:

http://www.amazon.com/gp/search/ref...ch-alias=aps&field-keywords=anabolic+steroids

The best analogy I've heard is that Bill's book is a Dictionary...it tells you what each compound is; while my book on the other hand does the same thing, but is more of a grammar-book....it tells you how to use the words, not just what they mean.
 
NYBodyguard said:
slin+gh combo dont fail many when it comes to size it almost kills some people but I think mass wise it works
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yes, slin + GH, but I was talking about slin alone.
 
RADAR said:
I can't believe they are still running, i used those back about 25 yrs ago.

Different box,now new & improved i guess...........(sigh)


RADAR
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I got the kit whaen I was about 16 - I just wanted to look like that JACKED model on the back.

I'm still trying to find out who that was.................

That stuff was JUNK
 
itlnstln said:
I got the kit whaen I was about 16 - I just wanted to look like that JACKED model on the back.

I'm still trying to find out who that was.................

That stuff was JUNK
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And a bit expensitive


RADAR
 
RADAR said:
And a bit expensitive


RADAR
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Back then it was almost $200 - 12 week "cycle"
 
What is this cybergenics? Is that the crap with the "syrynge" behind the glass case..lol....The sublingual type syrynge..they have in the gym..behind a glass case.. Looks dangerous.

Is that it?
 
PolfaJelfa said:
What is this cybergenics? Is that the crap with the "syrynge" behind the glass case..lol....The sublingual type syrynge..they have in the gym..behind a glass case.. Looks dangerous.

Is that it?
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www.cybergenics.com
 
Damn. Sorry its late. Didnt notice link on top. Time for me to hit the hay.
 
Maetenloch said:
HGH. Unless you're already deficient or taking pretty large doses, you probably won't see much effect from it.
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Overrated?

I think not. The gains , not muscle, from GH are some of the most astonishing results I've seen using any one product.

Better Sleep
Increased metabolism
Healthier skin
Bone growth
more energy
Some report chronic pains disappearing
and many more.

So as far as products are GH is one of the best.

I'd buy myslef a few more kits before buying a Snickers bar.
 
itlnstln said:
I got the kit whaen I was about 16 - I just wanted to look like that JACKED model on the back.

I'm still trying to find out who that was.................
That stuff was JUNK
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Franco Santoriello.
 
anthony roberts said:
Franco Santoriello.
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Yes!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Yeah - and they wanted me to believe that his transformation was from JUST Cybergenics.

I can laugh about it - but it must have sold a lot.
 
itlnstln said:
Yes!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Yeah - and they wanted me to believe that his transformation was from JUST Cybergenics.

I can laugh about it - but it must have sold a lot.
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I'm half Italian and I'm from New Jersey...so...of course I would know him...

he used to workout at Golds Gym in Toms River, on Fischer Blvd. I met him once, after his career was over. Nice dude.
 
anthony roberts said:
Bill Llewellyn's book.
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LOL!

EQ I would say, absolute crap.

With regard to Cybergenics, I am surprised they are still around, but years ago they made the best tasting weight gain drink, Infinity 3000, I think.

Probably full of shit, but it tasted great. :)
 
steroids in general if you don't need them. diet is so much more important. i finally learned that if i work as hard on eating as i did on cycles and working out i put on weight every day now. i'm not hating just saying they are for the elite who need them to push past their limits.
 
anadrol, first you feel weird, then you go crazy, then you hold 30 gallons of water,then you get nosebleeds then you get gyno in that order all in less than 3 weeks.......
 
Winny is the complete and total shit for me, but it makes my hair fall out. I'd take 100 mg's ED if I could.
 
Its in his sig but since your not plat i dont think you can see it. And im not telling as my name is Bill Lleweyllen.
 
HMB for sure. Cromium Picolinate. Creatine syrum (and any other syrum for that matter). Most testosterone boosters. Supplements that have names that sound like, but are not, steroids.
 
Everyone seems to have their different oppinions and they should as some things work well for some and not so well for others....

I too think EQ is a waste for me, it effects on myself are VERY mild to say the least, the vascularity is the only plus i got from it

I am a big fan of HGH and IGF

Insulin i can live without

and whoever said protein is overrated is a fucking moron
 
I think kittens are overrated.
Those little fu*kers don't even come when you call them! And they won't stop with that prring bullsh*t. It's like a nail being driven into my mind. I wish they'd STOP THE PURRING AND MEOWING!!!!! And they can't guard a house worth a damn, either. WTF?

Oh, and Tren...
 
IGF1 lr3, Insulin, & Primo. Myself and 3 friends have used IGF1, and it didnt do a f*cking thing. I dont know where people get off saying they gain 7-10lbs everytime they use it! B*llshit..
 
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