Most gains on a Test Cycle come from DHT?

[Izzman]

Can anyone confirm this? I've read this somewhere saying that when test is cycled alone, most of the gains come from DHT and that it wouldn't be a wise idea to inhibit DHT since most of the gains are dependent on the amount of DHT in your blood, whats your take bros? I am on finasteride (very prone to MPB) 1mg ED due to the hairloss and I want to know if I should stop or not or take it EOD.

 

[Izzman]

Can anyone confirm this? Bump.

 

[twistedneck]

DHT RULES

DHT is the best hormone by far. Its what gives us men our male traits through puberty. Men still have androgenic traits if DHT is completly blocked, but they are significantly reduced. DHT is predominantly responsible for well being and libido - but as any old man will tell you, DHT alone is not enough for libido.

I don't see how any gains would come from dht though, i mean, its not anabolic in any way except maybe masteron because its 2-methylated and stayes active. more so as an anti estrogen and pro-agression muscle hardening drug.

Verdict , dont block DHT if you can get away with it (prostate). Proviron helps control estrogen so well that you may consider it a safe way to use anti-e, since people with hi cholesterol cant even think about using arimidex.

While you at it, Zinc, b6, gla, nettle, saw palmetto, phygeum, etc.. are all 5ar blockers and reduce dht - increase estrogen? maybe.. since there is more substrate not bound to aromatase..

 

[Izzman]

Bump, thanks for the reply bro! I am not even worried about estrogen (maybe a little ), I have L-Dex on hand and Nolva as well. What I am more concerned about is how much strength (therefore affecting muscular growth) Ill lose due to taking finasteride and whether I should take it ED or EOD just to be safe, but I have been shedding hair like crazy the last year or so and my hair has become lot thinner so I want to take care of it now while I can. So what should I do stop the finasteride or take it ED or EOD?

 

[pharmguy]

This has topic has been gang-raped over and over again. Dht serves a purpose, but it does not make you grow. DHT is not the active hormone in skeletal muscle. It is good to take finasteride because dht cause BPH and other problems at high doses like what AAS users use.
PG

 

[Izzman]

This has topic has been gang-raped over and over again. Dht serves a purpose, but it does not make you grow. DHT is not the active hormone in skeletal muscle. It is good to take finasteride because dht cause BPH and other problems at high doses like what AAS users use.
PG

Lol, sorry man, your right bro. So is finasteride to be taken ED or EOD in your opinion?

 

[Sigmund Roid]

DHT is responsible for most of the strength gains on a test cycle, and also increase in libido and hardening. The hardening is counteracted by aromatisation of test to estradiol.

 

[Mike P.T.]

Re: DHT RULES

DHT is the best hormone by far. Its what gives us men our male traits through puberty. Men still have androgenic traits if DHT is completly blocked, but they are significantly reduced. DHT is predominantly responsible for well being and libido - but as any old man will tell you, DHT alone is not enough for libido.

I don't see how any gains would come from dht though, i mean, its not anabolic in any way except maybe masteron because its 2-methylated and stayes active. more so as an anti estrogen and pro-agression muscle hardening drug.

Verdict , dont block DHT if you can get away with it (prostate). Proviron helps control estrogen so well that you may consider it a safe way to use anti-e, since people with hi cholesterol cant even think about using arimidex.

While you at it, Zinc, b6, gla, nettle, saw palmetto, phygeum, etc.. are all 5ar blockers and reduce dht - increase estrogen? maybe.. since there is more substrate not bound to aromatase..

Good reply.

So many factors contribute to where you get your gains from. DHT is definately not the only factor but does add to the synergistic effect of it all. Just like blocking estrogen can have negative impacts on overall muscle growth since estrogen helps with glycogen synthesis as well as increasing igf-1 levels. They all help.

 

[stonecold54]

I would rather lose a bit of gains and keep my prostate healthy. not a hard decision for me. I never noticed much difference in gains when I took proscar or not.

 

[thx9000]

I haven't read the other repies on this thread....so I may be being redundant or contradictory.

DHT is NOT all that important an anabolic in muscle tissue, while test is extremely important. Thus, on the most basic level, test is key to mass, and less directly strength. DHT is supposedly a CNS stimulant though and therein lies the quandry. Does the lowering of DHT inhibit strenght gains? Does the lowering of DHT inhibit IGF-1 or GH? No one really knows, it is all speculation at this point. Some people swear it hurts results on a cycle, others don't see this effect at all.