More and more subbing GW for HGH

[Jack steel]

Even tightening of the skin has been reported. If there are no known side effects aside from rats. I'm really wanting to test this out for long cycles.

 

[Jack steel]

I'd recommend using SS GW if anyone decides to do this as it's the most cost efficient, as well as most potent GW out there IMO

 

[Jbranken]

I agree 100%! SS is seriously some good stuff

 

[plazmic]

It's definitely cheaper than HGH by a huge margin. Studies have proven that the peptide is essentially "exercise in a pill" with the physiological responses is triggers.

Pretty fascinating stuff, but the toxicology reports horrify me.

See NIH's data for GW501516

http://www.toxicology.org/AI/Pub/Tox/2009Tox.pdf

If you search the document for 501516 and PPAR, you'll find a number of articles that basically say two things:

1. PPAR-delta agonism, GW-501516 in particular seems to cause cancer throughout the body at doses 100-1000x the typical dose.

2. COX-2 inhibition is useful to prevent it.

That is at doses higher than most users, but not hugely so... the effect was seen with doses as low 5mg/kg.

The only similar alternative is Telmisartan, an Angiotensin receptor type-2 antagonist.. Telmisartan is also a PPAR-gamma agonist.

Supposedly, Telmisartan causes similar results with *far* less toxicity... and of course WADA banned it last year.

 

[masterkush81]

It's bad ass for sure!

 

[notjake11]

It's definitely cheaper than HGH by a huge margin. Studies have proven that the peptide is essentially "exercise in a pill" with the physiological responses is triggers.

Pretty fascinating stuff, but the toxicology reports horrify me.

See NIH's data for GW501516



That is at doses higher than most users, but not hugely so... the effect was seen with doses as low 5mg/kg.

The only similar alternative is Telmisartan, an Angiotensin receptor type-2 antagonist.. Telmisartan is also a PPAR-gamma agonist.

Supposedly, Telmisartan causes similar results with *far* less toxicity... and of course WADA banned it last year.

5mg/kg is a HUGE dose. The dose that most use here is 10-20mg a day. For a 200 pound guy, a dose of 5mg/kg would be 455mg a day!!!

 

[plazmic]

5mg/kg is a HUGE dose. The dose that most use here is 10-20mg a day. For a 200 pound guy, a dose of 5mg/kg would be 455mg a day!!!

You're absolutely right. There are plenty of people taking 40-60mg/day too. Still, under the studied amount but the carryover to risk at low dose is not studied (or was well hidden by GlaxoSmithKline). Even at an order of magnitude less dosage, risks should be considered carefully. From my perspective, GW makes even tren look like a multi-vitamin in risk factor.

 

[nolefan]

anyone ever run GW with a test cycle?

 

[goin on 4T]

You're absolutely right. There are plenty of people taking 40-60mg/day too. Still, under the studied amount but the carryover to risk at low dose is not studied (or was well hidden by GlaxoSmithKline). Even at an order of magnitude less dosage, risks should be considered carefully. From my perspective, GW makes even tren look like a multi-vitamin in risk factor.

Cancer? Please excuss my lack of education on tren but I have not seen any studies that show tren causes cancer.
Please post them if you have them.

 

[plazmic]

Cancer? Please excuss my lack of education on tren but I have not seen any studies that show tren causes cancer.
Please post them if you have them.

Sorry, I wasn't implying that! I just meant that the dangers of GW make trenbolone's side effects appear pretty laughable.