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Even tightening of the skin has been reported. If there are no known side effects aside from rats. I'm really wanting to test this out for long cycles.
More and more subbing GW for HGH
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I'd recommend using SS GW if anyone decides to do this as it's the most cost efficient, as well as most potent GW out there IMO
It's definitely cheaper than HGH by a huge margin. Studies have proven that the peptide is essentially "exercise in a pill" with the physiological responses is triggers.
Pretty fascinating stuff, but the toxicology reports horrify me.
See NIH's data for GW501516
That is at doses higher than most users, but not hugely so... the effect was seen with doses as low 5mg/kg.
The only similar alternative is Telmisartan, an Angiotensin receptor type-2 antagonist.. Telmisartan is also a PPAR-gamma agonist.
Supposedly, Telmisartan causes similar results with *far* less toxicity... and of course WADA banned it last year.
Pretty fascinating stuff, but the toxicology reports horrify me.
See NIH's data for GW501516
That is at doses higher than most users, but not hugely so... the effect was seen with doses as low 5mg/kg.
The only similar alternative is Telmisartan, an Angiotensin receptor type-2 antagonist.. Telmisartan is also a PPAR-gamma agonist.
Supposedly, Telmisartan causes similar results with *far* less toxicity... and of course WADA banned it last year.
masterkush81
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It's bad ass for sure!
5mg/kg is a HUGE dose. The dose that most use here is 10-20mg a day. For a 200 pound guy, a dose of 5mg/kg would be 455mg a day!!!
You're absolutely right. There are plenty of people taking 40-60mg/day too. Still, under the studied amount but the carryover to risk at low dose is not studied (or was well hidden by GlaxoSmithKline). Even at an order of magnitude less dosage, risks should be considered carefully. From my perspective, GW makes even tren look like a multi-vitamin in risk factor.
Cancer? Please excuss my lack of education on tren but I have not seen any studies that show tren causes cancer.
Please post them if you have them.
Sorry, I wasn't implying that! I just meant that the dangers of GW make trenbolone's side effects appear pretty laughable.
I disagree. Like the study stated, 100-1000 times the typical dose showed signs of cancer. So, don't do that. What do you think 100-1000 times the typical dose of anything would do? OTC supps? Milk? Oranges? Tren? Prob not a good thing. Most of everything can be safe in moderation
RolinRandy
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May I ask what is GW...I know what HGH is.
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psizzle_8
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GW is a research chemical a lot of us are enjoying giving our rats since it has become popular around here...it isn't a sarm but it's often used with the popular Sarms (S4 and Osta). GW aids in muscular and cardiovascular endurance, helping you in the gym and with cardio. Its amazing stuff.
My rats feel great when they're on their SarmsSearch GW...they can run on their little wheels for hours on end and not feel a thing. As I said it also aids in the gym with muscular endurance. They also have told me they have a feeling of breathing easier when on GW
My rats feel great when they're on their SarmsSearch GW...they can run on their little wheels for hours on end and not feel a thing. As I said it also aids in the gym with muscular endurance. They also have told me they have a feeling of breathing easier when on GW
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psizzle_8
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Both companies are sponsors, they're both good places...I've just made a home at SS while you've done the same with Unique.
Both companies are sponsors, they're both good places...I've just made a home at SS while you've done the same with Unique.
Exactly - both are solid companies and can't go wrong with either. Haven't got a bad thing to say about them.
Now Psizzle on the other hand . . . lots to say about her.
j/k obv - She's the bomb too.
RolinRandy
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Thanks yall...I've found the sites. I'll do a little more research on it now.
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psizzle_8
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Watch it now NJ...lol
Let us know if you have any questions. Good luck!
Let us know if you have any questions. Good luck!
I would agree, except that the studies show a 100-1000x increase in rapid onset, whole-body cancer with doses as low as 5mg/kg.
Understandably, that's still quite a bit higher than most guys are dosing. But with guys at 70kg taking 50mg or more a day, the difference in dosage (from the lower end studied) is now a factor of 7x. There is no direct "conversion" of risk, so you're right, it could be negligible at low doses. However, GSK didn't provide any data at doses similar to athletes, they simply terminated all further developments.
I don't mean to knock on the drug -- it's one of the most fascinating peptides in existence to me... it's literally exercise in a fucking pill! I just want to point out that the difference between athletic dosing and highly carcinogenic dosing is less than virtually every other compound commonly abused in sports. Anyone considering the benefits of GW should give due diligence.
This is the same problem I have, statistically speaking what are the odds?
Did they stop the study when people started getting cancer?
Why were they dosing so high?
Did they stop the study when people started getting cancer?
Why were they dosing so high?
GoldenArms
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This is probably a dumb question, but are these compounds (osta, s4, GW) sensible in a stack w test, etc? In other words, should I wait until my rodents are between cycles to use these compounds?
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psizzle_8
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A lot of us believe Sarms truly shine when they're on their own.
SARMS are definitely best in between cycles.
digit0x
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Maybe. But you don't feel any of them.
Yeah that dosage per kilo is fucking nuts too high
GW doesn't act on androgen receptors if my memory serves me right, so that couldn't matter with AAS. In my opinion running a Sarm with an AAS should be no different than running test/winny, test/var, test/ tren. I can't imagine why it would make a difference but its really preference I suppose. I wouldn't run a whole Sarm triple stack with 2-3 AAS of course but test/s4? Why not.
IMO!!!
I agree sarms are best in between cycles, but my point is that test/s4 is better than just test alone. Psizzle and Rick are right, I just like to go off the reservation once in a while. Sarms are new so I sorta like to be a guinea pig. FTR osta with test is kinda redundant.
Yes My rats have, and my rats currently are.
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