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This was my First cycle, I am hard gainer (really an understatement).
My cycle:
WK1-4 dbol30-40mg ed
WK1-10 deca300mg, sust500mg (seperated into: Monday, Thursday)
WK1-14 arimidex 0.25mg ed
Eating GOOD 4500 cals a day (400-450g protein)
I just finished week 8, and have week 9 & 10 left
I am doing measurments once a week at my Gym, with a Bio-Impedance
machine costing 750$. Always with the same clothes & same hydration).
Although Bio-impedence (tanita) is a very unreliable device, it can
imply on a certain direction. Over the 3 years I've been training
and using it, I found it worked for me pretty accurately, unlike
stories heard about others. I am also carefully look at the mirror,
and take measurements of my body parts with an accurate self-locking
medical measurement tape made for that purpose.
Here are the results so far:
Age: 27, Height: 5'9"
NOTE: Body parts measurements all done on UN-FLEXED UN-WORKED muscles:
September 29 (started) :
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Total weight: 139Lb (63.2kg)
FAT Mass: 14.3Lb (6.5kg)
LBM (LeanBodyMass) : 125Lb (56.7kg)
FAT: 10.2%
R. Biceps: 11.8" (30c)
R. Quad: 19.6" (50c)
R. Calf: 13.3" (34c)
Shoulders: 43" (109c)
Chest: 34" (87c) (note:worest bodypart, getting strong but no mass, transplant only option)
Waist: 29" (74c)
November 17 (end of week 8) :
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Total weight: 165.7Lb (75.2kg)
FAT Mass: 26Lb (11.8kg)
LBM (LeanBodyMass) : 139Lb (63.4kg)
FAT: 15.7% (Look at the ugly picture!)
R. Biceps: 13.1" (33.5c)
R. Quad: 21.2" (54c)
R. Calf: 13.7" (35c)
Shoulds: 47" (119.5c)
Chest: 36" (91.5)
Waist: 32.8" (83.5c) ! ! ! ! !
NOTE That there was ZERO change in LBM during week 7 and 8,
only 700g. more of FAT Mass ! ! !
To summerize: I do look more muscular, LBM was up no question about
it, however, the FAT mass has gone up so extremely, that I cannot wear
my pants anymore, and if I take off my shirt, people say like: uuggg,
it's an amorphic stomach. I used to have that stomach before, about half
a year ago, only then, it wasn't with the added muscle mass I have now.
But basically my stomach looks like that when there's a lot of fat deposits.
I don't think it's water. I take my arimidex ed, I drink over 2 galons of
water a day, and it looks exactly like the FAT i used to have half a year ago,
plus, the tanita shows it as fat. If it was water, the impedence was different,
and it would have shown as TBW (total body water) increase, and NOT fat mass
increase, so it's FAT, don't argue on that point please.
During the cycle I did everything by the book. I did not do cardio,
because I was afraid of not gaining the muscle mass I wanted.
Now, I am very puzzled, I still have two weeks to go with the cycle
(plus the two weeks after the last inj. and the 2-3 weeks of clomid),
But I look so shitty with this stomach, it's killing me.
PLEASE!!! Suggestions on how the hell do I loose that stomach ASAP,
WITHOUT loosing the muscle mass! Loosing the muscle mass is the most
freighting thing for me (I'm a hard-gainer and worked really hard along
the cycle). I wouldn't want to jeoperdize more than 2lbs of muscle mass
for loosing about 12 lbs of FAT. And I would also prefer loosing the fat
asap. it's really ugly... Look at the pictures I attached.
I'm reminding you I still have 2 weeks to go. I don't thing I need a cutting
cycle for 12lbs of fat to loose?? I would rather loose it somehow now, and
do another bulking cycle a month after I finish clomid therapy of this cycle.
The before pictures were taken on Feb 2001 at 8.5% bf. but also about 14lb less lean body mass than now:
End week 8 pics (keep in mind the tummy that looks very emphesized because of my genetic problem with the pectoralis muscles. The lack of pecs muscle mass, emphesize the stomach greatly. Please don't give advices on chest workouts, because I am quite strong in chest, and nothing can help except Dr. Nadler with his pecs transplants)
Look at the tummy:
My cycle:
WK1-4 dbol30-40mg ed
WK1-10 deca300mg, sust500mg (seperated into: Monday, Thursday)
WK1-14 arimidex 0.25mg ed
Eating GOOD 4500 cals a day (400-450g protein)
I just finished week 8, and have week 9 & 10 left
I am doing measurments once a week at my Gym, with a Bio-Impedance
machine costing 750$. Always with the same clothes & same hydration).
Although Bio-impedence (tanita) is a very unreliable device, it can
imply on a certain direction. Over the 3 years I've been training
and using it, I found it worked for me pretty accurately, unlike
stories heard about others. I am also carefully look at the mirror,
and take measurements of my body parts with an accurate self-locking
medical measurement tape made for that purpose.
Here are the results so far:
Age: 27, Height: 5'9"
NOTE: Body parts measurements all done on UN-FLEXED UN-WORKED muscles:
September 29 (started) :
------------------------
Total weight: 139Lb (63.2kg)
FAT Mass: 14.3Lb (6.5kg)
LBM (LeanBodyMass) : 125Lb (56.7kg)
FAT: 10.2%
R. Biceps: 11.8" (30c)
R. Quad: 19.6" (50c)
R. Calf: 13.3" (34c)
Shoulders: 43" (109c)
Chest: 34" (87c) (note:worest bodypart, getting strong but no mass, transplant only option)
Waist: 29" (74c)
November 17 (end of week 8) :
-----------------------------
Total weight: 165.7Lb (75.2kg)
FAT Mass: 26Lb (11.8kg)
LBM (LeanBodyMass) : 139Lb (63.4kg)
FAT: 15.7% (Look at the ugly picture!)
R. Biceps: 13.1" (33.5c)
R. Quad: 21.2" (54c)
R. Calf: 13.7" (35c)
Shoulds: 47" (119.5c)
Chest: 36" (91.5)
Waist: 32.8" (83.5c) ! ! ! ! !
NOTE That there was ZERO change in LBM during week 7 and 8,
only 700g. more of FAT Mass ! ! !
To summerize: I do look more muscular, LBM was up no question about
it, however, the FAT mass has gone up so extremely, that I cannot wear
my pants anymore, and if I take off my shirt, people say like: uuggg,
it's an amorphic stomach. I used to have that stomach before, about half
a year ago, only then, it wasn't with the added muscle mass I have now.
But basically my stomach looks like that when there's a lot of fat deposits.
I don't think it's water. I take my arimidex ed, I drink over 2 galons of
water a day, and it looks exactly like the FAT i used to have half a year ago,
plus, the tanita shows it as fat. If it was water, the impedence was different,
and it would have shown as TBW (total body water) increase, and NOT fat mass
increase, so it's FAT, don't argue on that point please.
During the cycle I did everything by the book. I did not do cardio,
because I was afraid of not gaining the muscle mass I wanted.
Now, I am very puzzled, I still have two weeks to go with the cycle
(plus the two weeks after the last inj. and the 2-3 weeks of clomid),
But I look so shitty with this stomach, it's killing me.
PLEASE!!! Suggestions on how the hell do I loose that stomach ASAP,
WITHOUT loosing the muscle mass! Loosing the muscle mass is the most
freighting thing for me (I'm a hard-gainer and worked really hard along
the cycle). I wouldn't want to jeoperdize more than 2lbs of muscle mass
for loosing about 12 lbs of FAT. And I would also prefer loosing the fat
asap. it's really ugly... Look at the pictures I attached.
I'm reminding you I still have 2 weeks to go. I don't thing I need a cutting
cycle for 12lbs of fat to loose?? I would rather loose it somehow now, and
do another bulking cycle a month after I finish clomid therapy of this cycle.
The before pictures were taken on Feb 2001 at 8.5% bf. but also about 14lb less lean body mass than now:
End week 8 pics (keep in mind the tummy that looks very emphesized because of my genetic problem with the pectoralis muscles. The lack of pecs muscle mass, emphesize the stomach greatly. Please don't give advices on chest workouts, because I am quite strong in chest, and nothing can help except Dr. Nadler with his pecs transplants)
Look at the tummy:
