MK-2866 + T3 = Recomp or waste

[TheKhemist]

Recomp is often debated: How to do it, is it really possible etc. So I was considering running MK-2866 and T3 together, the idea being that given I ate clean (as usual) it would result in a decent recomp. Would like to drop 3-4% and add LBM at the same time. I have ran T3 before, but never tried a SARM. Comparing them, MK-2866 has little chance of sides and no shut down (ideal to me). Just getting off of Ipa/CJC, so nothing else will be running with these two except the usual supplements (NRALA, Creative, Multi). Looking for feedback from those who know more than me, I know your out there I have lurked here long enough

 

[dylangemelli]

Recomp is often debated: How to do it, is it really possible etc. So I was considering running MK-2866 and T3 together, the idea being that given I ate clean (as usual) it would result in a decent recomp. Would like to drop 3-4% and add LBM at the same time. I have ran T3 before, but never tried a SARM. Comparing them, MK-2866 has little chance of sides and no shut down (ideal to me). Just getting off of Ipa/CJC, so nothing else will be running with these two except the usual supplements (NRALA, Creative, Multi). Looking for feedback from those who know more than me, I know your out there I have lurked here long enough

bro, if you want to recomp then run the sarms triple stack... your not going to recomp with t3... t3 is a muscle waster... that's not what you want... you can gain so much lean muscle and melt fat with sarms triple stack and its much safer than t3... run this stack...

-8 Ostarine 25 mg day dosed once a day in the a.m. SARMS1.COM - The best Selective androgen receptor modulators
1-8 S4 50 mg day... split doses... 25 mg in the a.m. and 25 mg in the p.m. SARMS1.COM - The best Selective androgen receptor modulators
1-8 GW-510516 10-20 mg day... split doses 12 hours apart SARMS1.COM - The best Selective androgen receptor modulators
1-8 HcGenerate n2bm.com
1-8 N2guard n2bm.com
1-8 Liquidex n2bm.com
3-8 Albuterol 12-18 mg day ag-guys.com

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[Reps For Jesus]

I don't think MK-2877 would be strong enough to stop the muscle wasting of T-3. Unless your running Tren, or a good amount of gear, I would leave T3 out of the equation.

 

[Shrine1]

bro, if you want to recomp then run the sarms triple stack... your not going to recomp with t3... t3 is a muscle waster... that's not what you want... you can gain so much lean muscle and melt fat with sarms triple stack and its much safer than t3... run this stack...

-8 Ostarine 25 mg day dosed once a day in the a.m. SARMS1.COM - The best Selective androgen receptor modulators
1-8 S4 50 mg day... split doses... 25 mg in the a.m. and 25 mg in the p.m. SARMS1.COM - The best Selective androgen receptor modulators
1-8 GW-510516 10-20 mg day... split doses 12 hours apart SARMS1.COM - The best Selective androgen receptor modulators
1-8 HcGenerate n2bm.com
1-8 N2guard n2bm.com
1-8 Liquidex n2bm.com
3-8 Albuterol 12-18 mg day ag-guys.com

Mini pct 9-12

Hcgenerate ES n2bm.com

This definitely the way to go bro.. GW will melt fat for sure and is a way better option then T3. Im just coming off Sarms1 triple stack and the results were awesome. Dylans layout here is a solid one for sure

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[TheKhemist]

Thank you for the great details. I considered GW as well, and keep in mind I am all for SARMS, peptides, gear and the like. When I read the studies on increased cancer rates associated with GW it made me cross it off my list. I realize it is at higher doses, but I am still hesitant about using it for that reason (I can deal with temporary vision issues from S4 better than a chance at cancer with GW). Now, I may be completely ignorant here on GW so please feel free to share more.

T3 is fairly catabolic, I see your point there.

EDIT: Found a decent video on youtube explaining GW sides (or lack of) more.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lca-t7xud-U

 

[Jbranken]

Thank you for the great details. I considered GW as well, and keep in mind I am all for SARMS, peptides, gear and the like. When I read the studies on increased cancer rates associated with GW it made me cross it off my list. I realize it is at higher doses, but I am still hesitant about using it for that reason (I can deal with temporary vision issues from S4 better than a chance at cancer with GW). Now, I may be completely ignorant here on GW so please feel free to share more.

T3 is fairly catabolic, I see your point there.

Make sure you don't run hgh either since it can speed up cancer cell growth. Also, don't run oral steroids because of the potential for jaundice. While you're at it, don't use injectable steroids since they increase bp and have negative effects on lipids... this greatly increases your chances of heart attack and stroke... The GW thing Is thrown way out of proportion

The "cancer" studies on GW were seriously flawed and outdated. More recent studies and trials on GW showed NO signs of cancer whatsoever. The rats that developed cancer In the original study are now said to possibly have had pre-existing conditions and were exposed to over 20x the recomended dosage for long durations of time. Too much of anything, even a good thing, may have consequences

 

[TheKhemist]

I agree with you, I am just cautious as SARMs are new to me. Education and precautions even the scale considerably. I saw the more recent Australian study that showed no cancer increase in human trials as well (I believe it was with obese people as well).

With those three SARMs stacked would I need a strong anti prolactin (Prami is my choice for that usually)?

 

[Shrine1]

I agree with you, I am just cautious as SARMs are new to me. Education and precautions even the scale considerably. I saw the more recent Australian study that showed no cancer increase in human trials as well (I believe it was with obese people as well).

With those three SARMs stacked would I need a strong anti prolactin (Prami is my choice for that usually)?

I would have a ai like aromasin... prami isnt nessesary.

Also here is a article on GW and its effects on lipids... just some info to checkout if you like

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/22814748/

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[TheKhemist]

Thanks. I like aromasin for the added benefit of raising test and IGF. Hell I like prami for its GH releasing qualities

I need to order some support items now, time to find some good discount codes for the sites above!

 

[fizzisnumerouno]

Prami is for 19-nor. Just as somebody else stated, tren is prob the only thing to counter the t3 catabolism. I was in the same boat regarding the GW scare. There were 3 trials and the 2nd and 3rd were more controlled and yielded zero negatives.... I posted the studies on this forum somewhere. Aside from the 1st GSK study, all other negative feedback was based on ppar beta and alpha agonistsGW501516 is a delta receptor agonist.

GW with your osta is the way I'd go.

 

[Shrine1]

Www.ag-guys.com has legir ancillaries that are proven bro.. they have been on this board a long time.

Www.sarms1.com is the best when it comes to sarms. Im just finishing up a triple stack now that was awesome. I know they have a BOGO deal going on currently too.

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[TheKhemist]

Prami is for 19-nor. Just as somebody else stated, tren is prob the only thing to counter the t3 catabolism. I was in the same boat regarding the GW scare. There were 3 trials and the 2nd and 3rd were more controlled and yielded zero negatives.... I posted the studies on this forum somewhere. Aside from the 1st GSK study, all other negative feedback was based on ppar beta and alpha agonistsGW501516 is a delta receptor agonist.

GW with your osta is the way I'd go.

This forum is awesome, lots of real details and educated sharing. So different than when I got into this 15 years ago. Can you find those 2nd and 3rd studies by chance? I would like to read them as well. Also, thank you.

 

[RickRock13]

The SARMS triple stack would be perfect for your goals. The side effects on SARMS are very minimal.

 

[fizzisnumerouno]

This forum is awesome, lots of real details and educated sharing. So different than when I got into this 15 years ago. Can you find those 2nd and 3rd studies by chance? I would like to read them as well. Also, thank you.

I think I posted it on one of the main threads that Dylan started regarding GW. The second study was just referenced but the third study had the actual data.

I totally agree with you regarding this forum. There are some good people on here that actually know their stuff.

 

[fizzisnumerouno]

This forum is awesome, lots of real details and educated sharing. So different than when I got into this 15 years ago. Can you find those 2nd and 3rd studies by chance? I would like to read them as well. Also, thank you.

Oh, and even the study that showed cancer yielding results, the rats only developed stomach polyps. But those stated rats, were genetically predisposed to stomach polyps. If you actually look at the study, and you look at the weight of the rat compared to the dosage taken, it would be the equivalent of a 200 pound male taking several grams of the product. We actually take 25 mg maximum to get the results that we want. 25 mg is 2.5% of a gram. This means that the amount that was taken was hundreds and thousands of percents greater then what should have been given to the rats.

 

[TheKhemist]

These details are making me feel better, I am re-reading that study now. Many things in excess can cause cancer, look at processed meats (I lived in Australia and colon cancer was rampant for a time in the 50's due to the amount of preservatives manufacturers were putting into processed meats without any real regulation). Now I wait for the mail, and read some more.

 

[fizzisnumerouno]

These details are making me feel better, I am re-reading that study now. Many things in excess can cause cancer, look at processed meats (I lived in Australia and colon cancer was rampant for a time in the 50's due to the amount of preservatives manufacturers were putting into processed meats without any real regulation). Now I wait for the mail, and read some more.

If you want to see real data backing up tumor growth; look at the GMOs in our foods lol.

 

[TheKhemist]

Yep, we raise our own chickens, boar and fruit/nut trees which helps us cut down on all that fun stuff.

 

[dylangemelli]

basically we are talking about one very poor study done that has been refuted several times over... GW's performance enhancing capabilities are so strong and rare that GSK would not want anyone else getting their hands on it... there are other agendas... its just like cancer treatment... if they came out with a cure then do you have any concept of how many BILLIONS all of the "suppressive therapy" companies would be out of? there are hidden agendas on so many things that get overlooked... it all comes down to who knows who and who has the most money to get what they want...

GW is simply amazing and is the ultimate performance enhancer... the trick is getting pure GW which is basically impossible to find UNLESS you get sarms1 and then you will see what its like to run REAL, pure gw...

 

[fizzisnumerouno]

basically we are talking about one very poor study done that has been refuted several times over... GW's performance enhancing capabilities are so strong and rare that GSK would not want anyone else getting their hands on it... there are other agendas... its just like cancer treatment... if they came out with a cure then do you have any concept of how many BILLIONS all of the "suppressive therapy" companies would be out of? there are hidden agendas on so many things that get overlooked... it all comes down to who knows who and who has the most money to get what they want...

GW is simply amazing and is the ultimate performance enhancer... the trick is getting pure GW which is basically impossible to find UNLESS you get sarms1 and then you will see what its like to run REAL, pure gw...

I was just talking about big pharma and cancer.

 

[TheKhemist]

Plenty of SARMs incoming for me, now I need to find the best price on a load of HCGenerate .

 

[fizzisnumerouno]

Plenty of SARMs incoming for me, now I need to find the best price on a load of HCGenerate .

Amazon. Then write a verified review once you use it, and submit a link of your review to n2bm you will get another bottle.

 

[dylangemelli]

Plenty of SARMs incoming for me, now I need to find the best price on a load of HCGenerate .

send me your email bro and i'll get you on the mailer with all the deals that come out...

 

[fizzisnumerouno]

send me your email bro and i'll get you on the mailer with all the deals that come out...

Dude, one of my students gave me a rubber band wrist band the other day and his name was Dylan. I looked at him all excited and I was like "Dylan!..............."and said it in and Arnold Schwarzenegger voice and was about to say "you son of a bitch" but realized that might be inappropriate for a fifth grader not to mention he probably wouldn't get the reference, though all of my students understand that leg day is the most important day of the week and that Arnold Schwarzenegger is the greatest actor in Hollywood.

 

[hurricane]

These details are making me feel better, I am re-reading that study now. Many things in excess can cause cancer, look at processed meats (I lived in Australia and colon cancer was rampant for a time in the 50's due to the amount of preservatives manufacturers were putting into processed meats without any real regulation). Now I wait for the mail, and read some more.

lots of studies back this up. there is a bunch in my thread also.Posted by different people.I still use gw all the time and im not worried.

 

[dylangemelli]

Dude, one of my students gave me a rubber band wrist band the other day and his name was Dylan. I looked at him all excited and I was like "Dylan!..............."and said it in and Arnold Schwarzenegger voice and was about to say "you son of a bitch" but realized that might be inappropriate for a fifth grader not to mention he probably wouldn't get the reference, though all of my students understand that leg day is the most important day of the week and that Arnold Schwarzenegger is the greatest actor in Hollywood.

LMFAO... slightly inappropriate but regardless, he wouldn't get it like you said... you crack me up with that... that's one of my favorite movies ever... all time great man...

 

[fizzisnumerouno]

LMFAO... slightly inappropriate but regardless, he wouldn't get it like you said... you crack me up with that... that's one of my favorite movies ever... all time great man...

It's pretty bad. I'm like that old HBO show "Dream On" where the guy had random movie and TV lines come to him when things happened to him. Except with me it's limited to meathead movies, mostly Arnie movies. I have my 1st graders screaming "put the cookie down, now" in am Arnie voice every time they squat.

 

[Shrine1]

Dude, one of my students gave me a rubber band wrist band the other day and his name was Dylan. I looked at him all excited and I was like "Dylan!..............."and said it in and Arnold Schwarzenegger voice and was about to say "you son of a bitch" but realized that might be inappropriate for a fifth grader not to mention he probably wouldn't get the reference, though all of my students understand that leg day is the most important day of the week and that Arnold Schwarzenegger is the greatest actor in Hollywood.

That's hilarious bro. Lol.. I can totally remember that part of the movie too.

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[fizzisnumerouno]

That's hilarious bro. Lol.. I can totally remember that part of the movie too.

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One of the best juice scenes of all time.

 

[Shrine1]

Hell yeah.. lol.

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[gymrat827]

everything under the sun causes cancer these days......

watch the news and every wk it will be something new. GW is totally fine as long as your test subject doesn't down the whole vial at once...

 

[fizzisnumerouno]

everything under the sun causes cancer these days......

watch the news and every wk it will be something new. GW is totally fine as long as your test subject doesn't down the whole vial at once...

F yeah bro. Look at Monsanto The same company that created agent orange, is now a company that specializes in bioengineering specifically in our food sources. Now there is an act to protect them. They have already been implicated in so many different things relating to cancer in so many fields. So you are going to tell me this is okay but GW is not? Something is failing the smell test miserably.

 

[fizzisnumerouno]

This forum is awesome, lots of real details and educated sharing. So different than when I got into this 15 years ago. Can you find those 2nd and 3rd studies by chance? I would like to read them as well. Also, thank you.

http://www.fmr.no/growth-enhancement-proven-to-be-dangerous.5184118.html


Here is a study about GW and it's cancer risks... Ironically, this where they admit the dosage was 40mg for a rat in some circumstances. That's 60% more than what a human takes. This is the only negative study where so much anecdotal evidence stems from.

 

[dylangemelli]

the studies have been refuted 1.8 million times on this board... Its easily refuable... Its a bogus study... The ratios are ridiculous... The numbers are ridiculously skewed and after further researching into this (as if the countless hours I already put in weren't enough) its easy to see that GK themselves are up to something... When money like this is involved with something that is as unreal as GW is, there is a rhyme and reason for everything... Believe it...

 

[hurricane]

im more worried about the polluted air i breathe everyday in a big city giving me cancer then gw.How little i take study serious.Yes im cycling gw all the time and im not worried.