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Minimum amount of test to see results?

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milo hobgoblin

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Im planning on starting a long term low dosage cycle of Prop/Test and was curious what the minimum amount per week would be to keep growing without too much water retention/acne/gyno.

I will probably use very low dosages of Nolva during the entire cycle and small amounts of HCG for a few days every week to minimize atrpohy.

I will be using 20-30 mg of 1-Methyl test for 2-4 week cycles and taking that ling off from it (so 2-4 weeks on/2-4 weeks off)


Ideally I was thinking 300mg of prop/cyp every 6 days.


Cycle will be approx 16 weeks

thanks.
 
50mg prop ed is fairly low dose shooting it every 6 days would not be ideal,the cyp would work like that however
 
Propinate has a very short half-life. Approximately 48 - 36 hrs or thereabouts. It should be used every other day. Not every six days. You will be putting your hormone levels on a rollercoaster ride with your plan.
 
ahh

Sorry I didnt make this more clear.

The test is a Prop/Cyp blend of 50mg Prop/200 mg Cyp

It was designed to be time released over a period of 2-8 days.
 
100mg prop EOD. You could easily make that a combo shot of 100mg prop, 75mg Fina. If you're going 16 weeks I would just use a longer ester like cyp.
 
"Seeing results" can be hard to qualify. Anecdotal reports of "I gained ** pounds" on so much test can be unreliable for many reasons.

I have seen one study of individuals engaged in "resistance training" that showed those given 300 mg of testosterone enanathate once a week had muscle mass gains consistant with those of the non-steroid using group, while those using 600 mg of testosterone gained significantly more than each group.

For this reason I've considered 250 mg of testosterone by itself to be too low in regard to cost on your body versus the effect we desire.
 
i think i saw that study but at the same time many people have used 250mg for a first cycle and had great gains..

i say with test 500mg is a good point where you will definately see gains if diet/training is in order and still very very safe.
 
thansk all

this is exactly what Im looking for. Keep it coming.


to make it more clear...

I have a prescription. Its a compounded PRE MIXED 10 ml vial 50mg prop/200mg Cyp per ml. (yes its from a licensed American pharmacy)

So 500mg /week = 5 weeks per vial.

Keep in mind I do plan on adding 1-Methyl Test (20mg day) to the cycle.

again, thanks foir the info.
 
Sure, but how many people on a first cycle made "tremendous 30 pound gains" only to discover that after they fully recovered, the bloat went away, and their body comp change was measured they really gained about 4 pounds.

When people go on a cycle, much more than the drug comes into play in regard o their gains. Often their training intensity, frequency, and consistancy improves during the cycle regardless of the drug - this alone can result in gains. Often, the individual will give much more attention to diet that when off cycle. The increase in calories alone, and especially coupled with the training component increases, will bum up their weight. In addition, placebo effect, inacuracies in measurement, ans wishful thinking all chip away at the credability of anecdotal evidece.

My point is that measuring muscle gains, especially in regard to a first cycle, is tough. Real data is hard to come by. (Any no, I don't think the one study I read is the gold standard for dosage related gains.)
 
well..

I actually went to an endocrinologist and my body just doesnt produce much test anymore (not from roids... just going through andropuase early.. Im 34)

So... I have a permanent presciption for the rest of my life if I want.

Im not looking for massive gains... or some 30lbs godsend. Im just looking for dosages that will keep me consistenly growing.
 
Silent Method said:
"Seeing results" can be hard to qualify. Anecdotal reports of "I gained ** pounds" on so much test can be unreliable for many reasons.

I have seen one study of individuals engaged in "resistance training" that showed those given 300 mg of testosterone enanathate once a week had muscle mass gains consistant with those of the non-steroid using group, while those using 600 mg of testosterone gained significantly more than each group.

For this reason I've considered 250 mg of testosterone by itself to be too low in regard to cost on your body versus the effect we desire.
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Actually I've seen the study as well, and the 300 mg group actually gained like 4 ibs more muscle during the 3 month study than the control group. However, the 600 mg group blew them out of the water, and suffered no negative effects, other than slightly lower HDL levels. Science at work...

I would tend to agree with you, based on research that 250 mg will not do shit after the frist 2 to 3 weeks on. After that your htpa is suppressed, and you are barely injecting enough to keep your levels at the middle to upper end of the normal range. I think guys doing this are gaining water weight, and benefiting from the placebo effect, thus training harder, eating more, etc.
 
Re: well..

Milo Hobgoblin said:
Im not looking for massive gains... or some 30lbs godsend. Im just looking for dosages that will keep me consistenly growing.
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This is a good distinction to be made. Are we talking typical 8-12 week cycles, or are we talking "extended" use.
 
Milo, if you are already supprested, and aren't going to get back to normal again, 400-600 mg of test a week, year round, would be a good option to continue to make gains over the years.
 
yes

extended cycles.

I could literally stay "on" for the rest of my life.

Problem is... 400-600 mg per week seems like a lot as a permanent cycle..

That was why I was thinking of doing the on/off of 1-Methyl Test for 2 week growth spurts followed my relatively normal levels (on the high side).

The idea of this was too keep growing at a low to moderate pace while minimizing sides.

To keep saturation low I wanted to switch back and forth between 2 to 4 week cycles of 1-Methyl Test Transdermatl 1-Test/4AD and Anavar.

The Anavar is EXTREMELY expensive so my 2-4 wk cycle of that can only be done once every 3 or 4 months. (like 500 dollars for a 4 week supplly... its American)
 
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