Milk. Good or bad for cut?

[Naeem]

I recently heard from my buddy that milk is bad for cutting. He mentioned something about it impairing proper thyroid function, thus inhibiting the fat burning process. I've also seen vague refrences here and there that milk in general is just not that good for you also, but never really heard anything solid on it.

I know that bodybuilders wont use dairy in general when they are getting ready for a contest, what is it in the milk that causes fat loss to slow down?

Also, my buddy told me that the proteins in milk dont process the same as regular proteins, what validity is there to this? I've read a few times that the carbs in milk dont process same as regular carbs, that they dont effect insulin levels the same. Is this equally true for the proteins as well?

 

[Stryc-9]

Milk protein is a combination of casein and whey...so I'm not sure what your friend means by a difference in digestability. Milk sugar is predominantly lactose, and while it doesn't spike insulin like dextrose might, it's still sugar. During a cutting phase, I know lots of guys who avoid milk - and it's mostly because of the sugar...essentially unwanted calories. During a bulk, and in the absence of lactose intolerance, I can't think of any good reason to avoid milk.

I have heard stories about the so-called propensity for casein (one of the proteins in milk besides whey) to cause thyroid suppression - but I believe the problem to be minimal at best in most people. If you don't exhibit any signs of intolerance to dairy - then I'd say there isn't any problem. If you notice that you have unusual mucous build-up after drinking milk - then perhaps you'd want to steer clear. Fear mongers also claim that the antiobiotics given to cow's show up in their milk - and this contributes to thyroid interactions. I would take what such people say with a grain of salt - and as I mentioned....the only reason I can see why you would avoid milk on a bulk is due to lactose intolerance.

 

[Deleted member 33117]

I'm tired so I'll make this short, without any opinion of my own. I'll state the facts as accepted by modern science and let you make up your own mind, that way, no one can argue with me.

Studies on dairy and fat lose: Severak double blind studies published in peer review journals in the last 3 years show that men who eat 3-4 servings of dairy a day loose 30% more bodyfat on the same type of diet, and with the same caloric intake as non-dairy male dieters. Females, on average, lose 100% more bodyfat in the same situation. People who eat alot of dairy products while eating excess calories, gain less bodyfat than their non-dairy consuming peers.

Lactose the sugar and GI: lactose is a much lower GI carb than brown rice, sweet potatoes, oats and whole wheat bread. However, it still has a less complex structure than starches, and is classified as a sugar.

Dairy products and your thyroid: no studies have show evidence that milk slows down the thyroid, as of yet. However current research suggests that it increases insulin sensitivity.

 

[Texas Ranger]

So, in other words, Naeem. BBF, is saying that it's a VERY good idea to include dairy products while dieting...

 

[Texas Ranger]

Plus, your Protein Shakes will taste ALOT better with Skim Milk. LOL!!

 

[KWKSLVR]

I treat it like many other things when cutting, sometimes moderation is the key. I'm not a big fan of milk anyway so any that I drink is an effort .

 

[Babyfaced Assassin]

i think the reason it's taken out of pre contest diets is because some people experience water retention from dairy, whilst it doesnt mean you're not losing or gaining body fat, it just means you have excess subcutaneous water which you dont want on a show

 

[Naeem]

Yeah pretty much what I thought as well. Good to have it cleared up though. Thanks guys.

I get the farts when I drink too much milk, is that a sign of lactose intolerance? Is it anything serious? Or is it like beans, where the enzymes simply cannot break down in your intestines and cause it?

 

[Babyfaced Assassin]

Yeah pretty much what I thought as well. Good to have it cleared up though. Thanks guys.

I get the farts when I drink too much milk, is that a sign of lactose intolerance? Is it anything serious? Or is it like beans, where the enzymes simply cannot break down in your intestines and cause it?

quite possiblye, i myself am mildly lactose intollerant. If i have too much my stomach churns and i get pains and cramps

 

[beefybull]

Milk is a no-no while on a ketogenic diet.

Skim milk is a clean, no fat source of protein & carbs on a non-keto diet. Whole/Vitamin D milk is the best tasting, but 2 cups have the fat of a Snickers, so its probably not the best to drink unless you have the genetics to be lean (or you're bulking and just dont give a fizzle).

 

[satchboogie]

i think the reason it's taken out of pre contest diets is because some people experience water retention from dairy

exellent point.

personally, more than a few glasses of milk a day bloats me.
and while i do indeed appreicate the extra 'thickness' (if you will) i'm sure many will find it undesirable.. especially while cutting.

milk.... it does a body good

 

[Deleted member 33117]

Milk is a no-no while on a ketogenic diet.

Skim milk is a clean, no fat source of protein & carbs on a non-keto diet. Whole/Vitamin D milk is the best tasting, but 2 cups have the fat of a Snickers, so its probably not the best to drink unless you have the genetics to be lean (or you're bulking and just dont give a fizzle).

Its acceptable during carb ups though. Once can eat cheese on keto days.


BA, you are correct about why no one should use dairy a week out from a contest. However water is not a problem in the earilier weeks of the diet.

 

[Deleted member 33117]

My opinion: those who can tolerate it should use milk during their diets. With the results it has shown in women, one who had read the research would be out of her mind to not use dairy while cutting. The same with yohimbine HCL. It is so much more effective for women.

For bulking, since dairy products seem to increase insulin sensitivity as well as slow down fat gains when over eating, it isn't exactally a bad idea to drink a couple glasses when one is trying to pack on the beef.

 

[anthrax]

BodyByFinaplix,

Do the studies mentioned what is so good in dairy products ?


Is it calcium ?, Colostrum , other immunoglobulins ???

 

[Babyfaced Assassin]

Ok i don't compete in bodybuilding competitions, I do however fight in the ring and one tip given by MMA star John Lewis was to cut out dairy before fights to help with breathing because it develops mucus and i deffinately breathe better without dairy

 

[granby140]

if i cant drink milk with my protein shakes ill give up shakes. They taste awful with water

 

[Texas Ranger]

If you're a week or two out from competition, then by all means, drop the Skim Milk. You defenitely don't want to retain water while being 3-6% bodyfat. If you're starting out with 15-20% bodyfat and dieting, then include Skim Milk.

 

[Babyfaced Assassin]

if i cant drink milk with my protein shakes ill give up shakes. They taste awful with water

having never really tried them with milk i wouldnt know the difference but you are tempting me to try... i must not give into temptation

 

[ZKaudio]

depends on the shake. I never use milk in my shakes.

 

[Babyfaced Assassin]

i have tried designer protein and that tasted awful when mixed with water. Like i said never tried it with milk

Met rx proteni + tastes best from all the powders i tried when mixed with water
I sometimes add 1/2 tsp of xanthan gum to my shakes anyway to thicken em up

 

[Deleted member 33117]

BodyByFinaplix,

Do the studies mentioned what is so good in dairy products ?


Is it calcium ?, Colostrum , other immunoglobulins ???

That hasn't been conclusive. Its believed that the high levels of highly absorbable calcium (compaired to other food sources), potassium and magnesium play a role. Colostrum is a none issue. Human beings older than 72 hours break down the growth factors from the colostrum, and even if they got to the bloodstream, igf-1, and other growth factors are species specific, so bovine ifg-1 is worthless to us. It has also been speculated that lactose itself has something to do with the increased insulin sensitivity. Research ideas have been proposed already on finding the answers. Its just a matter of time.

 

[JerseyDevil]

I'm tired so I'll make this short, without any opinion of my own. I'll state the facts as accepted by modern science and let you make up your own mind, that way, no one can argue with me.

Studies on dairy and fat lose: Severak double blind studies published in peer review journals in the last 3 years show that men who eat 3-4 servings of dairy a day loose 30% more bodyfat on the same type of diet, and with the same caloric intake as non-dairy male dieters. Females, on average, lose 100% more bodyfat in the same situation. People who eat alot of dairy products while eating excess calories, gain less bodyfat than their non-dairy consuming peers.

Lactose the sugar and GI: lactose is a much lower GI carb than brown rice, sweet potatoes, oats and whole wheat bread. However, it still has a less complex structure than starches, and is classified as a sugar.

Dairy products and your thyroid: no studies have show evidence that milk slows down the thyroid, as of yet. However current research suggests that it increases insulin sensitivity.

BodyByFinaplix comes up big again.

Ive added 3-4 servings of dairy to my diet in the form of cottage cheese, and have lost a considerable amount of fat in those hard areas such as abs, etc.

 

[ZKaudio]

depends on how u handle lactose. I dont' get bloated too badly off dairy. My sister, on the otherhand, will hold almost 2-3 lbs of water more when eating dairy regularly

 

[Transporter]

dairy products have very low GI.
its fine to eat it.
cottage cheese is one of the best way of protein.

 

[Texas Ranger]

I think most "diet gurus" frown on dairy products. I know they cause some people some trouble, but only by retaining water or being lactose intolerant. I really don't think it should effect someone trying to get cut(6-9% bodyfat), unless your calories are way over the top. I ran across a guy from www.bodybuilding.com a little while ago. He always included dairy products in his diet and he's lean(6-8% bodyfat). He only uses Non Fat stuff like Skim Milk, Non Fat Cottage Cheese, or Non Fat Yogurt. Check it out...http://www.robthoburn.com

 

[dusty2]

Milk is ok with me bro. it's just another kind of protein. And your body needs protein.

 

[ohashi]

I think I'm gonna add 1/4 gallon of 1% milk a day to my diet.

 

[Parabellum]

http://www.milksucks.com/index2.html

 

[Parabellum]

Take for what it's worth.