Milk BAD?!

[Valdez]

I hired a bodybuilding nutritionist to help me prepare for my first contest, $200 unlimited help. bodyfat checks, diet planning, last minute details etc. he will help me as long as I am in state. anyway...

He said the body can only use 7% or so of the protein in milk because it is pasturized and de-natured. now I know that milk should be elimated from a contest diet but I thought milk was a great source of protein?

What's up?

 

[Belial]

I remember reading something about that AGES ago. i thought it was "conventional bodybuilding wisdom" from yesteryear that had been completely discredited. I'd be interested to hear any other responses. Neither of those processes should denature a protein, but hey, you never know.

 

[neal]

well no matter what, whether it is nutritional or not i am going to continue drinking it because MILK IS THE SHIT!

 

[booger]

Milk

Milk is for baby cows.

 

[BigAndy]

Milk would be fine if it wasnt pateurised, unfortunately commercially produced milk is pasteurised which destoys all the vitamins , minerals and digestive enzymes , which now have to be supplied by your body , in other words you actually lose calcium by drinking milk. This also explains why so many people are lactose intolerant as lactase the enzyme needed to digest milk is destroyed through pasteurisation.

 

[JB3]

Excuse me?

BigAndy,

I'm not sure what you're talking about but pasteurization is a good thing... it kills bacteria. It also does not destroy its vitamins and minerals, and most definately does not cause you to lose calcium. How in the world did you come up with that? There are countless studies showing that milk (calcium) intake delays/prevents the onset of osteoporosis.

Also, lactase is not, or has ever been, contained within milk itself. That makes no sense. Why would an enzyme that breaks down lactate be contained within milk itself? The enzyme would cause immediate breakdown of the CHO. Much of the population is lactose intolerance because of an inherent genetic disposition. As these people (mostly non-caucasian) age, their production of lactase decreases, causing lactose intolerance. This happens in the elderly as well.

 

[Valdez]

Yep, heard same thing today Bigandy

ditto on that about losing the calcium and the vitamins etc.

the thing that pisses me off is that I love cheese and that is made from pasterized milk. also the fact that it is homoginization makes the digestion difficult and it is not very good for the body. alien to the human body

 

[blood_drinker]

bigandy, youre a fucking moron . you think youre funny posting with other people aliases??

thats fucking childish man. wtf is up wichoo?! Youre giving bigandy69 a bad name with those ignorant remarks you just made...bigandy69's the shit man.

 

[BigAndy]

hey blood drinker whats up with the false accusations ,like i would ever do something so pathetic as post under a different alias to get my point across .All im trying to do is share some helpful info ive come across with all the bros out there, if people dont want to listen thats up their choice. By quality of your remarks it really must be true that preschoolers are into gear.

 

[MR. BMJ]

Alright lets see if I can clear this up....

The nutritive value of pasteurized milk is similar to that of raw milk. The changes that occur are very small. First off, pasteurization helps in the prevention of certain harmful bacteria such as gastroenteritis, TB, diphtheria, and both typhoid and scarlet fever. I don't know about you, but these are things I don't want to take a chance of getting.

As for what things are effected: (From raw to pasteurized milk)

*thiamin levels are slightly decreased.

*vitamin B12 and C are slighly decreased.

*Approximately 6% (very small) of the calcium becomes insoluble. This does not necessarily mean it does not supply a good amount of calcium. 6% insoluble < 94% soluble, big difference.

*Only about 1% of the protein coagulate.

*Some of the Vitamin K is destroyed.

*The biggest effect that pasteurization creates is the increase dispersion of fat globules, which reduces the cream line. Pasteurization will decrease/denature enzymes responsible for the prevention of rancidity in homogenized milk. One of the main reasons pasteurized milk spoils is because of the putrefactive bacteria that hydrolyzes the milk proteins. Actually, some of the polyphenolic compounds that are found in fruits and vegetables act to curdle milk, and of course, so does increased temp's. and acids and certain enzymes.



HOMOGENATION

This is a PHYSICAL process (not chemical), where it decreases the size of the fat globules. This in return increases the number of globules of fat, which leads to an increased surface area of fat. This will bring about a more stable emulsion and decreases the rising of the cream. Because this is a physical process, it does not change the nutritive value of the milk. The milk will appear whiter as a result of the increased dispersion of fat globules. It also alters the viscosity, surface tension, flavor, and cooking properties. It will foam much easier because of the increased surface tension, but there will be a reduction in the curd formed (produces a softer curd), WHICH MAKES IT EASIER TO DIGEST.

***As for the Reduced Lactose Milk, it is pasteurized and ultrapasteurized, or is UHTprocesssed. It is treated with lactase to reduce the lactose by about 70%. This can be nonfat, 1%, or 2% milk. It will have a sweter taste. An alternative to lactase treated milk is to purchase lactase enzyme products and add them directly to whole milk.
MR. BMJ

 

[Magda]

have you heard this?

I have been trying to drink low fat or skim milk rather than whole milk trying to do good but I just read somewhere that whole milk has fewer carbohydrates! I am okay with the extra fat as long as I trim down the carbos. Has anyone else heard this?

I love milk and there is a lot of thoughts out there that we just HAVE to have it but in actuality, we are the only mammalian species on this planet that consume milk on a regular basis past being weaned.

I am still going to drink it though.

 

[MR. BMJ]

Just in case...Lactose intolerance is a genetic trait, which as stated above is most prevalent in non caucasians (blacks, orientals), and in some caucasian adults.
MR. BMJ

 

[timea-dd]

I think milk is great for you during the offseason, however, other sources such as whey have higher biological values. I think it is a no-no competition diets because the milk sugar (lactose) makes you smoother and retain more fat. Cut it out 6 wks. out along with fruits

 

[keiko]

Magda--Heavy cream has even fewer carbs. But, unless you're on a really strict CKD or TKC, the added fat doesn't make it worthwhile. Plus it's saturated fat, which is not the wisest fat choice. I know all the Atkins devotees chug down cream by the bottle, but personally I think it's a bad habit to get into.

We're the only mammalian species that play electric guitars, too. Could there be a correlation?

 

[Magda]

Okay, I am not going to worry about it any more then. I was just wondering because when the US went on this Low Fat craze everything was loaded up with carbs.

keiko, I have seen a duck that played a small guitar (unplugged). He was accompanied by a rabbit that played a small piano and a chicken that danced on this little shiny board (no kidding) I saw this in the foot hills in Arkansas. Even though I was born and bred redneck, the strange animal powers of hillbillies still scare me.

 

[Kutlesschic]

I hired a bodybuilding nutritionist to help me prepare for my first contest, $200 unlimited help. bodyfat checks, diet planning, last minute details etc. he will help me as long as I am in state. anyway...

He said the body can only use 7% or so of the protein in milk because it is pasturized and de-natured. now I know that milk should be elimated from a contest diet but I thought milk was a great source of protein?

What's up?

Yes, actually milk is bad for you. There are lots of misconceptions about milk, and because of my brother who is a health freak and kept nagging me about drinking milk i read a lot... If milk wasnt pasturized it would actually be tons better for you. durring the pasturization process it is heated to very high temperatured and then cooled off. This kills all the bad germs, however; it also kills the good germs and gets rid of things that your body needs. after this is over with it keeps the milk from souring.... but that attracts germs and lots of other bad things under the sun and blah blah blah. also, the things they feed cows to make them grow and produce more milk gets in your milk and is bad for you... one of the reasons lil kids are matureing a lot faster now days. ANOTHER thing missunderstood about milk is the fact that you need it to prevent osteoporosis. which is a disease that makes ur bones brittle or pourus... calcium in milk does not prevent that it does however help prevent another disease osteomalacia that makes bones bendy.
so unless you are a lil kid i dont suggest you drink much of it. I stopped drinking milk, and i take calcium and protein and vitamin D, my body fat has lowered and i dont get colds as much as before. idk if that is what you were asking about or not. if its not im sorry lol.
xoxo-jess

 

[ASU]

Have you guys been on this website? www.milksucks.com

 

[anthrax]

Woawww, that's an old thread
LOL

anyway, Kutlesschic, can you be a bit more specific about the bad sides of milk

it also kills the good germs and gets rid of things that your body needs. after this is over with it keeps the milk from souring.... but that attracts germs and lots of other bad things under the sun and blah blah blah. also, the things they feed cows to make them grow and produce more milk gets in your milk and is bad for you... one of the reasons lil kids are matureing a lot faster now days

I don't advocate drinking huge quantities of milk mostly because of lactose
but I don't think it's that bad

IMO yogurts are way better though