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Mike mentzers methods

slothy

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Mike Mentzers methods

Hi just stumbled upon Mike's tribute site. He has some very different views about training and I am interested in some of his methods.

Has anyone tried his high intensity work outs?

and can maybe point me in the direction of obtaining a sample training program?
 
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I"d steer clear of those training methods if you ever want to get muscular and real strong.

Mike Mentzer had some interesting theories that he came up with after being inaugurated into the HIT training style by Arthur Jones, but for the most part I think Mentzer's methods SUCK for optimal growth and strength developement.

Just look around on this forum and you will learn lots.
 
Welcome to the boards! Id have to agree. The workload Mentzer advocates is way too low IMO. I couldnt imagine getting results on a program like that. Lots of great information and training methods on the boards though. Check out the training methods sticky.
 
yea see thats what I was wondering about. I was reading that Casey Viator was able to gain 43 lbs in 4 months of training using Arthur Jones methods where as arnold at the same time only gained 25 lbs in preperation for Mr Olympia.

Casey did this using the 12-20 sets per entire body, 3 times a week, compared to Arnold who was working out twice a day, 2 hours a session.

There is a ton of crazy info on his site, it just seems almost unbelievable that he was able to build such a great body doing such little excersise.
 
Hehe :)

A bit of a clarification: Viator actually gained that weight in about a one month period, and it was more like 63 lbs. IIRC.

Jones called it the "Colorado Experiment." It's pretty controversial. There's lots of hearsay about how exactly Viator trained during that period; the HIT camp claiming it was strictly the result of Jones workouts, but others (Jeff Everson comes to mind) say Casey would sneak off and do volume training at a nearby Gold's (though, interestingly enough, Jones and Darden maintain there was NO Gold's within driving distance).

What we DO know is that Casey was artificially light at the start of the experiment. He had been terribly ill beforehand, and Jones put him on a restricted diet to lose even more muscle. When they started the experiment, they fed him something like 6-7,000 kcal/daily and trained his ass off. Thanks to muscle memory he blew up like a balloon.

As far as Arnold goes, he was regaining lost muscle, too. I dunno if he "only" gained 25 lbs. as Mentzer claimed, nor can we really compare Jonesian HIT and volume training given the fact that we're dealing with two different guys. (Arnold was the superior bodybuilder of course, but it's entirely possible Casey could gain a lot faster, regardless of the training methods employed.)

All that aside, the Colorado Experiment has _nothing_ to do with Mentzerian HIT. Michael brought it up in HD1...why, I'm not sure *shrugs* Doesn't matter.

I will say _this_, though: it's a bit hasty to blow off Heavy Duty altogether. Mind you, the latter-day Mentzer stuff was...hmm...how to be diplomatic here?..."out there"? :)

Yep. It was. I was friends with Michael, but come on...training a bodypart once a month? He simply became more and more out of touch, absolutely determined to prove that his "theory" fit the bill. Anything that got in the way was angrily dismissed :(

BUT, his earlier stuff is actually quite good. The Dorian Yates-style, train-each-bodypart-once-a-week routine in HD1 (1993) worked extremely well for me, and even earlier, higher-frequency Mentzer routines might have more promise.

In fact, some of them remind me a bit of Dante/DC's training, albeit with more volume (up to 8 work sets, though usually more like 3-6).

But Slothy, I gotta go with Ghetto and Beast here. The information at Michael's site is all about his latter-day ideas which, God rest his soul, are fraught with problems :( You'd be better off looking into 5x5, DC, HST, WSB or any of a half-dozen other routines described in detail here.
 
Ok sorry about the mix up, I had just briefly read through his site.

I follow a fairly good program now, propbaly similar to most other people on here.

It just seemed crazy that such low volume training would actually work.

after reading about always trying to train for failure, I gave it a try today at the gym and am happy with the results, Managed to get 95's on incline up for 3 before failure... Now that I am working with a partner more often I'll see if I can get 100's up next week :)
 
Unless you're doing multiple sets of 3 wit hthe 95's I'd stay at 95's until you can crank out at least 1 set of 6-10 reps or multiple sets of 3-5 reps solid. Don't rush your training.
 
Yea, I usually dont obsess about how much weight I can lift, Until I am comforatble with something, no point moving ahead and pulling a muscle or something.
 
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