Meidcal Question....

[230lbs]

I am not new to the game but I have just encountered something that I find very strange and I was looking for info.

I am running Stan qv 50 every other day at 1.0 cc / Deca once a week 1.5cc
1% andro-test rub on cream and Pyramiding d.balls 2 a day up to 5 a day back down from 5 again to 2.

I am 230 lbs 6' tall and keep fairly low BF. . . (9 -12 %) I am doing this for sports training and I am happy with results. Of course I am also running Multi vitamn- milk thissle as well as cranberry juice ,water, and melatonin only when I am up at 1o am. I am happy with my results. Here is the problem.....

Friday almost 10 days ago the two co-insided on the same day (stanqv 50 / Deca)I loaded both - Deca first..the stan qv50 and shot. All was fine......Until two days later. I had a welt on the side of my ass the size of a golfball.....first response was to rub in the product. This was not the case ... after two more days this thing was the size of a baseball and hard as a rock. I applied hot compresses and still large and hard...not so much sore. Now on the 8th day I have developed a head on this thing which exploded with a little help from me and bled and pussed for 15 minutes. The size is smaller -much smaller- But still hard.........still more info....I had also shot a little higher up on my butt than normal and I am wondering a) could I of hit a nerve ? or B) do i have dirty gear?
Any questions or suggestions will be greatly appreciated BEFORE I go to my MD.

 

[DIVISION]

Sounds like a minor infection......let it drain on it's own.....don't force it.

Could be your ass is dirty, could be the gear or both.

It's not a nerve, if you hit a nerve YOU WOULD KNOW IT. The pain is unmistakeable.

I say let it ride for a few days and keep the area clean before going to the doc.






DIV

 

[230lbs]

I am actually very cautious...only shoot after the shower,alcohol(sp) before and after and only using 23 1.5 so it's no cannon. I was also wondering this......."it takes a while to get both liquids out....I am thinking I may of done damage moving the needle around durring the injection?"......
Thanks for your help

 

[CRsteve]

It's an abcess from you mixing oil based and water based gear in the same syringe. Head over to the doc.

 

[Tux]

It's not damage done moving the needle around, that usually just makes the spot more sore. If you've been very clean injecting your gear, then likely the gear itself is dirty. What you have definitely sounds like a minor infection, an abscess. Luckily it was near the surface and you didn't have to have it excised in the ER and drained. Sometimes mixing oil and water-based gear supposedly increases the risk of this, as oil and water don't mix, so the mixture doesn't disperse as well once injected. I've never had a problem with it though. What brands are your gear?

 

[shamrock11]

Man that sucks. If it is draining itself, let it drain and see how it gose down. If it's not better in a feww days I would see a doc.

 

[Bruce]

ok, bro baseball size scares the hell out of me. however, i had a golf ball size one, but it only could be felt deep in the tissue. no visibility. it did not go away after 12 days so i say the doc, it was a sterile infection which means too much juice in one area is stuck. so rub your injections around 3-5 minutes after no joke, i didn't do this religiously till i had to go into a doc and tell them i inject steroids, they don't care but they bring in all kinds of things showing u the dangers and u just want to tell them how much u know but you gotta act dumb. anyway if that doesn't go away in 5-7 days go to the doc. above the skin scares me, could be an abcess, good luck

 

[230lbs]

What brands are your gear?

The Stanzanol is QV 50 "Quality Vet" Expiration date 2007
The deca..I am not sure but I will post tonight after I get home and read it.

Just in the few hours after draining it has become smaller. Do you suggest the MD's office? Even if for and anti-biotic?

 

[CRsteve]

Even when it opens itself, it'll still need lanced. I had an abcess "explode" open, but it didn't just drain itself. I had to go in and have it lanced to finish it off, keep an IV in my hand for 5 days and get antibiotic treatments via IV every day for those 5 days.

 

[pentatonic]

What length pin are you using. I've heard of this happening to a few people and alot of the time it's from not injecting into the muscle, some will get a lump that will go away in a couple of weeks but then for some that lump turns into an infection which usually results in them having to go get antibiotics.

I personally do not think that it's from injecting water and oil at the same time because i've done numerous times with no problems at all but then it may affect other people differently. My guess is that it is the quality of the gear and possibly not getting the injection into the muscle. I would try to get some antibiotics just to be safe.

 

[230lbs]

What length pin are you using.


23 1.5 like I said earlier not a cannon.
After last night the thing has gone down quite a bit. I have applied warm compresses as well as heating pads with a warm cloth over the infected area. The thing drained last night for more than 20 minutes....a lot of clear liquid....no blood. This morning it hardly drained at all. I called my DR. yesterday and have yet to hear back from them....Thats american Mds for you...to busy unless I called in for Liposuction or something.

 

[Extra_Strong]

damn looks like you got some good advise good luck with that.

 

[dsh89]

Keep the warm compresses and keep it open. It needs to drain. If it does not, you need to go to the MD and have it IND'd, which stands for Incision and Drainage. It is an abcess, I see about 5 a day of those from a variety of sources. There is no medical study on this that I am aware of, but I would not mix oil and water in the same syringe bro, just my opinion.

 

[230lbs]

Keep the warm compresses and keep it open. It needs to drain. If it does not, you need to go to the MD and have it IND'd, which stands for Incision and Drainage. It is an abcess, I see about 5 a day of those from a variety of sources. There is no medical study on this that I am aware of, but I would not mix oil and water in the same syringe bro, just my opinion.

oh it's draining....leaked for like 25 minutes the other night. Now it is not leaking at all but has developed a white head that is painfull. I am seeing MD tomorrow am.

 

[DIVISION]

oh it's draining....leaked for like 25 minutes the other night. Now it is not leaking at all but has developed a white head that is painfull. I am seeing MD tomorrow am.

If you get curious you can always take a 25G needle and poke multiple holes in that shit and see if it drains that way.....

I'd have someone pop that shit like it's hot! If it's developed a whitehead that means it's poppable.....



DIV

 

[230lbs]

If you get curious you can always take a 25G needle and poke multiple holes in that shit and see if it drains that way.....

I'd have someone pop that shit like it's hot! If it's developed a whitehead that means it's poppable.....



Oh man did it pop....like i said earlier ..I felt like a whore on nickle night because I had so much white shit running down my leg. 20 / 25 minutes of drainage two days in a row. I did stick a pin in the Whitehead (this am) and it bled for like 10 minutes.....I am going to the MD at 8:30 am....I'll keep ya posted.
It's just wierd.....6 years of off and on and I have never even lost a hair in the sink...No pimples... and I never even seem to get "too" aggressive....now BANG this big welt on the back of my ass. I quess with a run like that I was due for something....

 

[crfpilot14]

you have an abscess as stated above. it needs to be I&D'd. it is not like a pimple where you just pop is and it goes away. abscesses this large have to be extensively irrigated and all of the loculations inside there have to be broken up. basically, they will cut a football shaped incision after giving you a local anesthetic and drain all of the pus. then they will use some forceps to break up the little pockets of pus that are still in there b/c that is the nature of abscesses. they arent always just one pocket. then they will irrigate the shit out of it. you will be packed with iodoform gauze and left open so it can heal from the inside out. closing these leads to recurrance of the abscess most of the time. you will have to clean and repack the wound each day. and you will need an antibiotic like a third generation cephalosporin for 7-10days. i did a lot of these in medical school and i am glad that i dont have to do them anymore! we have medical students do them unless they are in certain areas of the body. perirectal abscesses are no fun!
the firmness you are feeling at the site is induration from the inflammatory response as well as granuloma formation where your body walls off the abscess so you do not get bacteremia and sepsis. more than likely you did not use sterile technique when injecting. you should use alcohol or chlorhexadine to clean the area thoroughly. let the stuff dry on your skin before injecting. also, swab the tops of the vials before inserting the needle. use a different needle to draw up the oil and another to inject.

 

[dsh89]

Well, crfpilot saved me from explaining it more in depth, and he is 100% correct. K to you bro.

 

[crfpilot14]

Well, crfpilot saved me from explaining it more in depth, and he is 100% correct. K to you bro.

back at ya....

i always like handing out free meidcal advice!

 

[LoneTree]

I am not new to the game but I have just encountered something that I find very strange and I was looking for info.

I am running Stan qv 50 every other day at 1.0 cc / Deca once a week 1.5cc
1% andro-test rub on cream and Pyramiding d.balls 2 a day up to 5 a day back down from 5 again to 2.

I am 230 lbs 6' tall and keep fairly low BF. . . (9 -12 %) I am doing this for sports training and I am happy with results. Of course I am also running Multi vitamn- milk thissle as well as cranberry juice ,water, and melatonin only when I am up at 1o am. I am happy with my results. Here is the problem.....

Friday almost 10 days ago the two co-insided on the same day (stanqv 50 / Deca)I loaded both - Deca first..the stan qv50 and shot. All was fine......Until two days later. I had a welt on the side of my ass the size of a golfball.....first response was to rub in the product. This was not the case ... after two more days this thing was the size of a baseball and hard as a rock. I applied hot compresses and still large and hard...not so much sore. Now on the 8th day I have developed a head on this thing which exploded with a little help from me and bled and pussed for 15 minutes. The size is smaller -much smaller- But still hard.........still more info....I had also shot a little higher up on my butt than normal and I am wondering a) could I of hit a nerve ? or B) do i have dirty gear?
Any questions or suggestions will be greatly appreciated BEFORE I go to my MD.

You have an abscess.
See your MD for antibiotics.

 

[230lbs]

to all that have responded......

I went to the MD today he never even asked how this may of happened. He lied me on my face and as stated above "cut a football shaped incision and drained....." The whole process took 5 minutes. He also said that I should charge my Insurance company for the work that I did getting this thing to drain on my own.
Thank you all for the advice.....I will also say that I am 99% sure that this was not a sterility problem - but bad gear. I say this because ( I always shoot after the shower, clean with alchohol and wait for it to dry and ALWAYS clean the top of the bottle) I had shot in my arm a few weeks ago and although I did not get a sisit I did get red swollen and painfull down two inches from the injection. After this, combined with todays event, you can be sure that the gear is in the trash.....
Thanks again for all of your posts.

 

[DIVISION]

more than likely you did not use sterile technique when injecting. you should use alcohol or chlorhexadine to clean the area thoroughly. let the stuff dry on your skin before injecting. also, swab the tops of the vials before inserting the needle. use a different needle to draw up the oil and another to inject.

Ignoring the details are why people get abscess......

rubbing alcohol
one needle to draw (18 guage)
one needle to inject (25 guage)
massage injection site to break up any buildup.




DIV

 

[230lbs]

I will admit that I shoot with what I draw...I will change that,,,thanks.

 

[genarr3]

Water has a different density to oil.

When you simultaneously inject both water and oil-based AAS together you create an emulsion within the depot, which screws up the release rate of the two different AAS.
The whole point of water-based AAS is that they are released extremely fast into the blood stream from their injection site. Oil takes far longer (Hence why AAS w/ esters are all oil-based).

Also, having a water-based AAS inside an injection site for an extended period of time is a recipe for an abscess. Bacterial growth can occur.