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The Shadow
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If you dont go to failure.....what is the basis for the muscle fibers to strengthen themselves??
dutchman063
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if you went to failure and expected growth everytime you went to failure we would all be huge and the world wouldnt need steroids
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The Shadow
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Smurfy said:
Darling - some ignorance is bulletproof
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jestro said:
There is only one definition of failure - that's not being able to complete a full ROM rep on your own.
Negatives, Partials, Forced reps are all considered beyond failure.
jestro
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They call me mr knowitall, I will not comprimize...The Shadow said:
Na, just kidding man, dont kill me.
I don't know if I would say "not being able to complete a full ROM rep on your own" real failure, sometimes just getting one more rep after that with the spotter just taking 3 oz. off the weight feels more like failure.
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jestro said:
cool
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The Shadow
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btw - I think the non failure guys should post pics
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Smurfy said:
Nah....b/c then I would have to move your movie review thread.....and Im lazy today
chewyxrage
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well it would depend on what your current strategy is wouldnt it?
chewyxrage
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I do progressive overload on all core lifts and goto failure on accessory lifts....
Spanky11
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I suggest that you read this quote:
"Here’s another one that takes most bodybuilders a while to accept: you don’t have to train to failure to grow. This relates to overtraining as well. In a nutshell, the average guy can’t train to failure and beyond (forced reps, etc.) without overtaxing his system and halting his progress in the gym.
Some coaches would tell you not to train to failure at all. Coach King has a better idea. Based on his vast experience in the real world, Ian suggests you only train to failure or near failure about once every three weeks. Since most of Ian’s programs involve three week cycles within a larger twelve week plan, this make perfect sense.
Here’s how it works. Let’s say you’ve planned out your training for the next tree weeks. You’ll be using the same exercises and generally the same reps ranges, tempos and rest periods. On week one, you concentrate on perfect form and leave a few reps "in the hole" at the end of each set. If your goal is to get eight reps with a certain weight, use a weight that you can actually lift 10 or 11 times.
On week two you get a little closer to failure, but still fall a rep or two short. Finally, on week three, Ian allows you to go all out and train to failure. He’ll still tell you that forced reps (where you train beyond failure with the use of a partner) are counterproductive for most natural lifters and that such techniques are to be used only on a limited basis and within a periodized plan".
from http://www.t-nation.com/findArticle.do?article=171cheat2
"Here’s another one that takes most bodybuilders a while to accept: you don’t have to train to failure to grow. This relates to overtraining as well. In a nutshell, the average guy can’t train to failure and beyond (forced reps, etc.) without overtaxing his system and halting his progress in the gym.
Some coaches would tell you not to train to failure at all. Coach King has a better idea. Based on his vast experience in the real world, Ian suggests you only train to failure or near failure about once every three weeks. Since most of Ian’s programs involve three week cycles within a larger twelve week plan, this make perfect sense.
Here’s how it works. Let’s say you’ve planned out your training for the next tree weeks. You’ll be using the same exercises and generally the same reps ranges, tempos and rest periods. On week one, you concentrate on perfect form and leave a few reps "in the hole" at the end of each set. If your goal is to get eight reps with a certain weight, use a weight that you can actually lift 10 or 11 times.
On week two you get a little closer to failure, but still fall a rep or two short. Finally, on week three, Ian allows you to go all out and train to failure. He’ll still tell you that forced reps (where you train beyond failure with the use of a partner) are counterproductive for most natural lifters and that such techniques are to be used only on a limited basis and within a periodized plan".
from http://www.t-nation.com/findArticle.do?article=171cheat2
bran987
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that spanky theory right there is a bitchSmurfy said:
what I don't understand is that I used to be pretty damn strong and I trained to failure, and I kept getting stronger and stronger for like 2-3 years so I don't get it. also I was not on gasoline, (it's important that we talk about gasoline in every post).
MrMuscle
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Oh, and sure, we can debate whats failure.
Mentzer states that absolute failure is when you cannot do a negative rep, as well as a positive or static hold.
Therefore i ALWAYS finish my rep with a extra slow negative..ofcours,e without a spotter this means you kill yourself hehe.
Mentzer states that absolute failure is when you cannot do a negative rep, as well as a positive or static hold.
Therefore i ALWAYS finish my rep with a extra slow negative..ofcours,e without a spotter this means you kill yourself hehe.
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The Shadow
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good planSublimeZM said:
needtogetaas
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allmost all the time.
