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glennds

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was reading another thread where masteron (and of course another fight) came up. is it my imagination or are there more arguments on the anabolic board lately?

anyhow, i am planning my next cycle and was reading about masteron. this steroid doesnt seem to get much attention on EF. anyone have anything to say about it good or bad? all input appreciated.g

supposedly it gives your muscles a "sharper" look so favored by comptetiton bodybuilders towards the end of a precontest cycle. also seems to have some heavier sides.

btw, i WILL do a search on this also before you all jump on me.
 
one reason i think it is over looked is because alot of ppl say "dont use it unless your under 8% BF", which IMHO i think is total bullshit. ya , you will looked more ripped the lower the bodyfat but that doesn't mean a 14%BF lifter cant run it. I have a bottle ready to use the last 6 weeks of my EQ/proviron run. I have a good chemist friend who started a few weeks ago and loves it. Dropped his water weight from test instantly and could drastically see a change of hardness within a couple weeks. Hes prob around 12% BF.
 
glennds said:
was reading another thread where masteron (and of course another fight) came up. is it my imagination or are there more arguments on the anabolic board lately?

anyhow, i am planning my next cycle and was reading about masteron. this steroid doesnt seem to get much attention on EF. anyone have anything to say about it good or bad? all input appreciated.g

supposedly it gives your muscles a "sharper" look so favored by comptetiton bodybuilders towards the end of a precontest cycle. also seems to have some heavier sides.

btw, i WILL do a search on this also before you all jump on me.
Good: doesnt aromatize, a strong anabolic.

Bad: must be stacked to make gains in a mass cycle, high price, poor availability (almost only British Dragon).

Remember hardness comes more from diet than the actual steroid used.
 
big_boy_1 said:
Good: doesnt aromatize, a strong anabolic.

Bad: must be stacked to make gains in a mass cycle, high price, poor availability (almost only British Dragon).

Remember hardness comes more from diet than the actual steroid used.

i like BD. funny you should mention this because my source only seems to carryt injectables from BD and that is what made me think about masteron.
 
I've been considering masteron a little bit myself. Whats a usual first-timers dosage and is it an eod thing or can it be shot with test enth every 5 days? Thanks bros!

Chris
 
if you want to shoot it with test e, go with drostolone enanthate, or the enanthate version of masteron. A few ug labs are making it that I know of.
 
big_boy_1 said:
Good: doesnt aromatize, a strong anabolic.

Bad: must be stacked to make gains in a mass cycle, high price, poor availability (almost only British Dragon).

Remember hardness comes more from diet than the actual steroid used.


sounds like a dumb question, but ive had problems getting my muscles hard. my workout partner can east fast food left n right and never gain a pound off it and he has harder muscles than me, so i would like to know exactly what kind of diet makes your muscles hard.
 
Are you low carb dieting right now?
When i drop carbs I become flat.
I find that I am hardest when I am eating a lot of red meat.
 
My impression of masteron is its really only for cosmetic purposes. I dont think you can gain strength or weight off of it...someone correct me if im wrong. I would opt for something like primo...you get hardness and you will gain some weight and strength and loose bf. I dont know the bf capabilities of masteron either.
 
and masterone is very much around at a good price that come in 25mil bottles here is a nice write up on mastron it is copied but from most of the research this is one of the better one's




Masteron
Masteron is, to be honest, my favorite Anabolic/Androgenic Steroid (AAS). For many years, this compound was unavailable to the average athlete; it was frequently counterfeited, often very expensive, and almost never available on the black market. The most common form of this product, as manufactured by major pharmaceutical houses, is 50mg/ml ampules with either 1-2mls per amp (or vial). Needless to say, these products used to be the only game in town, and since this drug was a particularly sought-after compound for bodybuilding contest preparation, it´s price made it prohibitive for all but the highest level bodybuilders.
Masteron is a derivative of DHT (as you can tell from its chemical name: 2a-methyl-dihydro-testosterone propionate), but what they fail to tell you is that DHT and its derivatives are commonly used in treatment of certain forms of breast cancer (see the etymology here: MASTectomy, gynocoMASTia, MASTeron, get it?). Masteron is not clinically used for weight gain (as is common with most steroids), so this makes it a very unique steroid from that perspective. Unfortunately, much of the information on Masteron available in medical journals doesn´t focus on weight or strength gain or even fat loss, for those reasons. Most information on Masteron focuses on it´s use in treating certain forms of breast cancer, and it does this reasonably well.(4)(5) To give you an idea, Masteron + Tamoxifen actually fared better than Chemotherapy for immediate objective responses from patients (8).So? What does this tell us? Well, this makes it a very exciting drug for a lot of reasons. Clearly it won´t aromatize at all nor will it have progesteronic sides, remember, Nolvadex (and most ancillaries) are used to reduce estrogen for breast cancer patients, so a drug used to treat breast cancer obviously wouldn´t convert to estrogen...and in fact Masteron may interact with the aromatase enzymes to inhibit aromatization of other steroids into estrogen, and may additionally interact with estrogen (as a "blocker" of sorts) at the receptor site. (4)(5) This is how it helps to combat breast cancer, obviously, but this could also be part of the reason that Masteron is considered a "cutting" or "Pre-contest" drug. Masteron may actually be very useful for combating estrogenic/progesteronic side effects yes, you read that right, if you include Masteron in your cycle, you may not need other "ancillary" drugs like Arimidex or Letrozole). Hence, much like Proviron, Masteron could be used as an anti-side-effect-drug (remember, most ancillary drugs we use to combat estrogenic sides, like nolvadex, letrozole, and arimidex were originally developed to combat breast cancer...and thats exactly what Masteron was developed and used for). Along a similar line, being a DHT (DiHydroTestosterone) derivative, it´s got a very nice ability to add muscle hardness to an already lean physique, remember, Masteron has a deceivingly low anabolic/androgenic ratio, but since DHT is 5x as androgenic as testosterone and has a 3-4x higher affinity to receptor sites, Masteron provides a lot of "bang for the Buck" when examined on a Mg for Mg basis.
In my experience, as well as many others, Masteron is a stronger androgen than it appears on paper, and and this could cause increased aggression. As we know, higher androgens also produce that "hard" look prized by competitive BB´ers and as we all know, androgens also promote lypolysis (fat loss). The effects of Masteron, in that way are consistent with the documented effects of (somewhat heavier) androgens to decrease lipoprotein lipase and upregulate -adrenergic receptors on adipocytes, which would inhibit the accumulation of lipid (fat) and enhance the efflux of lipid from these cells in response to catecholamines (1)(2)(3). So, like I said previously, don´t let Masteron´s deceptively low Anabolic:Androgenic ratio fool you, it helps eliminate fat as well (if not better) than much more highly scored androgens, in part due to its being a derivative of DHT. This reduction in fat and rise in aggression (making workouts more effective) could be beneficial for people competing in a sport or who are on a reduced calorie diet. Sounds pretty good, right? Unfortunately, being a DHT derivative means that it can have certain undesirable sides as well (acne, hairloss, prostate enlargement, etc& you may want to consider using Finasteride with this drug). Water retention (and increased danger of high Blood Pressure) with this compound is virtually nil, and liver toxicity is not much of an issue either. Really, you can take heaps of this stuff...the maximum therapeutic dose is pretty high: 167mgs/kg-bdywt/day. So that´s 167mgs per day, every day of the week, for a 220lb person...and that´s not considered excessive by the FDA...who hasn´t been very traditionally liberal on dosing protocols. So clearly, up to that dose is very safe for almost anyone. DHT has a bad reputation for causing prostate hypertrophy, acne, and hairloss& but most people I´ve talked to find that reputation to be mostly undeserved at least in the case of Masteron.
Remember that year that the Chinese National Swimming Team (women´s) were kicking everyone´s ass? Or the year that the German National Swimming Team (again, I´m talking about women) were taking all those Gold medals? They were all using a form of DHT or a derivative, possibly Masteron. The German Women had very deep voices, which leads me to believe that Masteron´s virilizing effects on women could be very bad (there was a famous/funny interview where the interviewer implied that they all had deep voices, and one of them replied "Ve came here to svim, not to sing."). Hence, I feel Masteron is a great drug for any type of athlete, but possibly not for women (at least not at high doses... perhaps 50mgs/E3D is appropriate). Sorry girls...you can have a go with this drug, but keep the doses low.
Stacking Masteron? Well, I´d say that your best bet is with test, of course but really, due to Masteron´s reasonable binding to the Androgen Receptors and its high androgenic properties, almost any cutting drug (Tren, Anavar, etc... ) could be included in a cycle with it for an efficient stack. I have a feeling that due to Stanozolol´s (Winstrol) non-AR mediated effects, and its ability to reduce SHBG, a stack including both of these drugs would be very synergistic. However, don´t forget the Testosterone, as Masteron will reduce your own natural testosterone levels (9), and since you are going to have to inject Masteron Every Other Day at least (100mgs EOD is the lowest dose of this stuff I´d consider using), you might as well stack it with Testosterone Propionate, and possibly injectable Winstrol (and/or maybe Tren Acetate, if you´re inclined to use a lot of compounds in the same cycle& and I know I am& ). Eq is another popular choice to stack with Masteron.
I´d say that optimum effects of this stuff are found with 4-500mgs/week (based on conversations I´ve had with people who have used Masteron, as well as my own results). I happen to have a friend who has gone up to 600mgs/week with Masteron and didn´t feel that it provided significantly better results than 400-500mgs per week. I think, for maximum cost effectiveness, 400mgs per week is ideal. It´s also important to remember to spread those shots out on an every other day basis, as the Masteron I´m talking about here is the Propionate version, and as such, requires more frequent dosing. Of course I know there is a version of Masteron with an enanthenate ester dosed at 200mg/ml being produced by a very good Underground Lab (I personally used the "alpha" version, as a sort of Human Guinea Pig almost a year ago), but that´s not the version of Masteron I´m talking about in this profile. In addition, there is another form of Masteron out there: Drostanolone (base), yeah, that´s right, Masteron without an ester. It´s called Dromostan and it´s made by the Xelox Company. I´ve never tried this version, and don´t know anyone who has, but it´s my suspicion that it would be a very potent product, but would need to be injected every day.
Buying Masteron
If you are looking for this drug from a major pharmaceutical company, I´d caution you to reconsider that route, and go with an Underground Lab instead. There are many very reputable underground labs operating out there, with no known counterfits. On the other hand, genuine Masteron is one of the most difficult drugs to find on the black market, when you´re looking for a "Human-grade" product made by a major pharmaceutical house. In addition, UGLabs commonly offer this product for a very reasonable for a 10ml bottle dosed at 100mg/ml. Trying to find the Syntex (or comparable Human-Grade) version of this product will bring a mg for mg cost of 2-5x that amount.
To recap: Masteron is derived from DHT, could be used as an anti-estrogenic drug, clearly it doesn´t convert to estrogen and actually works to reduce it in your body, can possibly cause hair loss and other DHT-related sides, is great for all types of athletes and BB´ers, but not women in high doses, it stacks well with almost anything, is very androgenic, awesome for losing fat and getting "hard", and should be used at around 400-500mgs/week. It´s no surprise that it´s many people´s favorite steroid, mine included.
Masteron profile
(Drostanolone Propionate)
[17beta-Hydroxy-2alpha-methyl-5alpha-androstan-3-one propionate]
Molecular Weight: 360.5356
Formula: C23H36O3
Melting Point:N/A
Manufacturer:Syntex, Various Underground Labs
Effective Dose (men):350mgs/week (*100mgs Every other day) to 500mgs/week
Effective Dose (women): 25-50mgs Every other Day to Every Third Day
Active Life:2-3 days
Detection time: 3 weeks
Anabolic/Androgenic Ratio:62:25
 
I bring it up all the time because it's a phenomenal drug.. Masteron, Test, EQ is the fucking shit.. I've done Test and EQ alone and the cycle was OK.. I tried it again with a DHT derivative (winny makes my joints ache) and decided to give masteron a try and I was more than happy.. I get it in 50mL vials and it is relatively inexpensive.. The reason most people don't get much from it is b/c of the low dosage.. You need at the very least 400mg/wk.. If you can afford 500 or even 600 with 750-800mg of EQ and 750-1000mg of test you will have found your favorite cycle of all time.. (Again, I will say that my dosages are on the high range b/c my AR affinity is downright fucking pathetic) I was also running 40mg of var at the time too.. I was almost 260 at 10.5% b/f.. I was a fucking animal, by far the leanest I've ever been.

The next time I run this cycle I'm going to run 25mg of proviron, raise the var to 75mg/day, and lower the test to 500mg..

Bottomline, Masteron is fucking badass..

T-Matt
 
is masteron a good drug for athletic proformance? like will it kill your cardio or anything...i know most cardio is kill by holding water and i see that it doesnt do that but do you think that it would help cardio at all
 
Cauliflower Ear said:
is masteron a good drug for athletic proformance? like will it kill your cardio or anything...i know most cardio is kill by holding water and i see that it doesnt do that but do you think that it would help cardio at all

It wouldn't hinder your cardio at all!! Remember it's a DHT derivative much like Winny.. Winny is famous for being used by sprinters.. It helps keep you try and thus less unnecessary weight.. I'm telling you, when you combine Masteron and Test there's this synergy that no other combo gives you.. Masteron keeps the bloat off and keeps you feeling hard while test just.. well, test does what test does.. :)

AND it's a propionate ester so you feel it in a matter of days :biggrin:

T-Matt
 
Im gonna be adding 100mgs of the IP Masteron tabs to the mix and this will be a first for me so hopefully good things happen. I need to get around to shaving my back tho so i can wear a tank top at the gym.lol
 
galaxy said:
Im gonna be adding 100mgs of the IP Masteron tabs to the mix and this will be a first for me so hopefully good things happen. I need to get around to shaving my back tho so i can wear a tank top at the gym.lol

Hey bro, don't worry, I wouldn't say shit to you if you had hair on your back fighting to get out of your tank top.. :)

Masteron will become one of your best buddies.. I can see it already.. ;)

T-Matt
 
What's the difference between masteron and proviron, especially an oral masteron? The earlier post said it has inhibitory properties on aromatase. I didn't see anything about it binding to shbg. I guess it would be similar being that it is a dht derivative like proviron?
 
krishna said:
What's the difference between masteron and proviron, especially an oral masteron? The earlier post said it has inhibitory properties on aromatase. I didn't see anything about it binding to shbg. I guess it would be similar being that it is a dht derivative like proviron?

i think those have way different properties
 
Cauliflower Ear said:
i think those have way different properties

Really? I've seen people post that proviron is practically an oral masteron. I wouldn't think so though because it's rare to none to see anyone say masteron increases libido.
 
proviron and masteron arent close...proviron is a waste for most who get it...masteron is a better choice....safe sex everyone, be safe out there.
 
letsrun4it said:
proviron and masteron arent close...proviron is a waste for most who get it...masteron is a better choice....safe sex everyone, be safe out there.

Proviron a waste?!? Most people on this board love proviron bro...including me. They both are dht derivatives. They both have inhibitory properties on aromatase. Sounds close to me, at least in those aspects.
 
I cannot comment on MAsteron's effectiveness orally, as, I have never administered it in such a way. However, if I were forced to take it orally I'd definitely take it with some grapefruit juice and I'd probably take 125-150mg/day..

As far as it being a DHT derivative and similar to proviron.. no.. They are both derivatives of DHT and they both offer a hardening effect as well as an anti-estrogenic effect, however, I have tried both and they are noticeably different.. Proviron offers massive erections and the reduction of SHGBs while masteron offers a hardening effect as well as a moderate anabolic affect.. Knowing this, I don't see why you couldn't stack the two and see a synergestic affect.. :)

I'm going to actually try the two together in my next cycle.. :) I'll let you know how that goes..

T-Matt
 
letsrun4it said:
proviron and masteron arent close...proviron is a waste for most who get it...masteron is a better choice....safe sex everyone, be safe out there.

I will agree that proviron is a waste if used as an anti-estrogen.. However, if used to increase libido and reduce SHGBs, it works very well and is well worth the money..

T-Matt
 
T-Matt said:
I cannot comment on MAsteron's effectiveness orally, as, I have never administered it in such a way. However, if I were forced to take it orally I'd definitely take it with some grapefruit juice and I'd probably take 125-150mg/day..

As far as it being a DHT derivative and similar to proviron.. no.. They are both derivatives of DHT and they both offer a hardening effect as well as an anti-estrogenic effect, however, I have tried both and they are noticeably different.. Proviron offers massive erections and the reduction of SHGBs while masteron offers a hardening effect as well as a moderate anabolic affect.. Knowing this, I don't see why you couldn't stack the two and see a synergestic affect.. :)

I'm going to actually try the two together in my next cycle.. :) I'll let you know how that goes..

T-Matt

I know they are different. All I meant was that they are similar in some aspects. You mentioned some of those aspects yourself so it would be dumb for you to deny it now. I think I remember someone saying that they were very similar in chemical structure. I guess eq and test are very similar too, but they are way different in the way they effect the body. Good post....thanks. I kinda want to try it now.
 
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