Mass Building for Biceps?

[gjohnson5]

I agree with the heavy back posts...

After heavy back work, my bi's are shot...
If I'm doing biceps, it's always volume type stuff after my real workout is over
8-12 reps and never any heavy cheat curls

 

[blueta2]

I don't know that I'd recommend a higher rep range for muscle growth. Maybe for muscular endurance.

I think high rep along with low rep/high weights is a great way to fool/shock the muscles into growing.

 

[highlander555]

I think high rep along with low rep/high weights is a great way to fool/shock the muscles into growing.

I'll admit that sometimes a higher rep scheme definately has it's place in muscular growth, especially for beginners or for people who have taken a big break from training. I was just saying that generally, a muscle has to become stronger if it is to grow. Higher rep training (generally) is great for the slow-twitch fibers and musclular endurance, but not so great for the fast-twitch fibers and strength.
So basically, I see your point and agree with you, but generally I like a heavier, lower rep approach to muscle gain.

PS- Blueta2, I noticed your post in the women's forum, and I'm looking forward to hearing about your progress! Good luck.

 

[Scotsman]

I'll admit that sometimes a higher rep scheme definately has it's place in muscular growth, especially for beginners or for people who have taken a big break from training. I was just saying that generally, a muscle has to become stronger if it is to grow. Higher rep training (generally) is great for the slow-twitch fibers and musclular endurance, but not so great for the fast-twitch fibers and strength.
So basically, I see your point and agree with you, but generally I like a heavier, lower rep approach to muscle gain.

PS- Blueta2, I noticed your post in the women's forum, and I'm looking forward to hearing about your progress! Good luck.

No a muscle does not have to become stronger in order to grow. This is the philosophy and science behind Hypertrophy Specific Training. And on the adverse a muscle doesn't not have to get bigger in order to be stronger.

Cheers,
Scotsman

 

[blueta2]

I'll admit that sometimes a higher rep scheme definately has it's place in muscular growth, especially for beginners or for people who have taken a big break from training. I was just saying that generally, a muscle has to become stronger if it is to grow. Higher rep training (generally) is great for the slow-twitch fibers and musclular endurance, but not so great for the fast-twitch fibers and strength.
So basically, I see your point and agree with you, but generally I like a heavier, lower rep approach to muscle gain.

PS- Blueta2, I noticed your post in the women's forum, and I'm looking forward to hearing about your progress! Good luck.

Thanks, I hope I can kick some butt ;-)

 

[machine316]

another method I have heard of is to do back and bi's on seperate days and on back day after your done with back do 2-3 sets of curls and just burn out the bi's. Some people may end up over training with this method but some people respond to it, just have to listen to your body. Also, make sure you work your tri's as hard as you work your bi's.

 

[gjohnson5]

No a muscle does not have to become stronger in order to grow. This is the philosophy and science behind Hypertrophy Specific Training. And on the adverse a muscle doesn't not have to get bigger in order to be stronger.

Cheers,
Scotsman

OMG , I think I was in a week long sarcasm fest on bb.com about this subject
You'll definitly get tons of differing opinions from exercise phisiologist to neurologist on this subject. God they even got into what is a myofibrils or sarcostyles or whatever you wanna call them and how they are activated

Long story short , low rep (1-3) set dont activate the muscles involved long enough to initiate any type of muscular hypertrophy but does train bones and CNS to balance and move heavy weights. High rep sets cause sarcoplasm release and increase in muscle size, but The density of the myofibril in the muscle decrease.... The number of myofibrils does not increase so there is no strength increase.

 

[the_alcatraz]

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That is quite accurate actually

place food in hand, lift to mouth, insert food into mouth, chew and swallow food. Repeat very very very frequently.

 

[FunFun]

u know 42.7% of all statistics are made up on spot. just curious where u pulled 17" from?

I agree...and 17" arms on a 6 ft guy are a lot smaller proportionately than 17" guns on a 5'5" guy.

 

[FunFun]

I agree with the heavy back posts...

After heavy back work, my bi's are shot...
If I'm doing biceps, it's always volume type stuff after my real workout is over
8-12 reps and never any heavy cheat curls

I find heavy cheat curls are very difficult to fit into a weekly schedule where I'm doing a lot of heavy pressing, benching, squating and back work/deadlifts.

I just can't fit them in. I'll usually feel them in the rotator cuff and cause overtraining which interferes with my other compound exercises. I stick to isolation biceps work.