Well i finished up my cycle today. Final stats are impressive, and about what i expected. in terms of overall weight i went up from 196 to 206 and have leaned up quite a bit. i have no way to measure bf% but id assume around a 1% reduction as im seeing upper and side ab definition that wasnt there before. there is a ton of definition in my arms and back that werent there before, in addition to the size increases from the mm. ive moved up from a large shirt to an XL... im much more comfortable in that and i dont do the tight shirt thing. id recommend this stack to anyone that wanted to get bigger and more cut... assuming you already have the mm. katana mixed well with it. im eager to see if my strength holds on in the next few weeks... im starting ps347, daa, forma, heat and erase tomorrow, so we will see how it pans out. thanks elite fitness and all of the sponsors for providing me quality information and quality supplements! we've got a good thing goin here!