making primo

[totallyjacked]

Wanted to find out if it would be possible to make primo (methenolone enanthate) Is there anyone who has done this? Is the raw base available. I know a lot of it comes out of China but is it possible to get into the US without getting seized. Any info is appreciated.

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[bigp3]

yep it is possible if you can find legit primo base... that is the problem in itself

 

[satchboogie]

why make it when you can buy it??

 

[totallyjacked]

because it is so fucking expensive. For one 100 mg/ml amp it is between 15 to 20 dollars. So if I wanted to do 500 mg a week that is a lot of money. If I had it my way I would do an even higher dose. I don't know many people that can afford that do you? So, if I can make it why not? Besides I enjoy playing chemist.

 

[totallyjacked]

bump for more info

 

[Spidey]

Depends on what you have access to and how much synthetic chemistry you know. You can make it from 1-test by adding a methyl group with a Michael addition and quenching the enolate that results with bromine. Then, elimination of the Br can easily be accomplished by stirring with a relatively strong organic base like DBU or tetramethylguanidine. Presto, you have methenalone or 1-methyl-1-testosterone.

1-Test is extremely close in structure (methenalone minus a methyl group) and if one were to make the enanthate ester of 1-Test, I expect it would have very similar properties as primobolan depot and it is legal (in the US) to boot. Sigmund Roid did that and gained 7 lbs of water free mass in two weeks with 500 mg ew. He did, in fact, compare it to primo. He did note that it was quite a painful injection however.

 

[DeepZenPill]

Yes there are powder sources for methenolone enanthate. If you have a good source, getting the powders through customs isn't a problem. Making it is MUCH cheaper than buying it from most sources. Compared to most other AAS powders though, the primo is still pricy, but nowhere near as bad as buying pharm grade primo.

 

[UpstateMuscle]

Spidey,
You are the man, and we need to talk. I got some questions for you next week. PM me if you're game.

 

[totallyjacked]

spidey,
You definitely know your shit. However, I am definitely not that chemically inclined. I was thinking more along the lines of a fina conversion. Just, taking the methenolone enanthate powder breaking it down into liquid with benzyl alcohol and then suspending it in oil. And even if I did know what I was doing I don't think that I would have access to the chemicals that you described.

jacekd

 

[totallyjacked]

bumpity bump!

 

[totallyjacked]

I dont really appreciate my post being moved to a board that receives absolutely no traffic and no one even knows about. I put it on the ananbolic board because it is about aas and so that people would see it!

 

[Andy13]

I hate to have to be the nay sayer.. But synthesizing AAS is a whale of a task...

The level of difficulty is daunting- we're talking about impressive, multistep procedures with protective groups, and yada yada yada..

Of course it could be done.. But why?

1-You must obtain a load of glass, equipment, and potentially expensive and hard to find reagents (don't think Sigma is going to sell these to you).

2-You must have the chemical sophistication to be able to go to sci-finder, find the recipe, understand what the authors are talking about, and perform the synthesis..

3- AAS synthesis procede with a load of side reactions-- you will need a clever way to purify your product.

4-Also, you will need access to HNMR to identify and assess purity..

I'm not saying it can't be done in your kitchen... Just that you would be a hell of a lot better off buying it pre-made or even solublizing it from powder.

I've considered switching esters myself.. Now, a transesterification on an (already) parent compound doesn't seem that bad... Still, this would be more of a 'just for fun' type of thing-- ie, it's better to buy the longer ester or deal with the shorter one.

Andy

 

[Andy13]

Let me add something....

Cocaine can and has been chemically synthesized.. But have you ever heard of a 'cocain lab' getting busted? No, the reason is because synthesis of cocain is more diffucult and less economical than importing it from Columbia.

The (underground) chemical synthesis of AAS shares the same dilema.. That's why even far East BUYS the stuff from a pharmaceutical company, then simply bottles it. Apparently he too feels that synthesis is not worth it.

 

[BrothaBill]

Let me add something....

Cocaine can and has been chemically synthesized.. But have you ever heard of a 'cocain lab' getting busted? No, the reason is because synthesis of cocain is more diffucult and less economical than importing it from Columbia.

The (underground) chemical synthesis of AAS shares the same dilema.. That's why even far East BUYS the stuff from a pharmaceutical company, then simply bottles it. Apparently he too feels that synthesis is not worth it.

I dont think so, with the raw ingredients its as simple as baking a cake. Its easier to smuggle a kilo of coke than a ton of coca leaves. Just like baking you need the equipment, but once you have it and a powder source youre going to save alot of money, ANd its fun.

 

[Andy13]

What are you talking about, dude?

Chemical synthesis of AAS is "as easy as baking a cake?" I don't think so.. I certainly don't think multi-step reactions using expensive and hard-to-find equipment (not to mention reagents) is "as easy as baking a cake."

 

[BrothaBill]

What are you talking about, dude?

Chemical synthesis of AAS is "as easy as baking a cake?" I don't think so.. I certainly don't think multi-step reactions using expensive and hard-to-find equipment (not to mention reagents) is "as easy as baking a cake."

Im not talking about starting a lab and synthesizing it. Im talking about getting the powder cheap and putting it together, its simple. and cuts your costs to a 1/5 of buying it. Check out massmonsterz.com and the how-tos

 

[Andy13]

Im not talking about starting a lab and synthesizing it. Im talking about getting the powder cheap and putting it together, its simple. and cuts your costs to a 1/5 of buying it. Check out massmonsterz.com and the how-tos

Yeah.. that is simple.. I don't know if I'd go as far as to call it "impossible to fuck up" but it is darn near idiot proof.

 

[BrothaBill]

Yeah.. that is simple.. I don't know if I'd go as far as to call it "impossible to fuck up" but it is darn near idiot proof.

LOL, then we agree.

 

[totallyjacked]

I am by no means a chemist. However, with finaplix is that not just the parent steroid trenbolone acetate in a powder form. You then dissolve with benzyl alcohol or maybe benzyl benzoate. Then just add the oil and filter. So, my question is why can't you just take the methenolone enanthate and do the same process. Perhaps I am over simplifying this but tell me what you bros think.

 

[Andy13]

I am by no means a chemist. However, with finaplix is that not just the parent steroid trenbolone acetate in a powder form. You then dissolve with benzyl alcohol or maybe benzyl benzoate. Then just add the oil and filter. So, my question is why can't you just take the methenolone enanthate and do the same process. Perhaps I am over simplifying this but tell me what you bros think.

You can.

 

[Payphone_Johnny]

Let me add something....

Cocaine can and has been chemically synthesized.. But have you ever heard of a 'cocain lab' getting busted? No, the reason is because synthesis of cocain is more diffucult and less economical than importing it from Columbia.

The (underground) chemical synthesis of AAS shares the same dilema.. That's why even far East BUYS the stuff from a pharmaceutical company, then simply bottles it. Apparently he too feels that synthesis is not worth it.

-not to mention the toxic gasses coming from your 'lab' or residence would not be undetected very long.

 

[Sigmund Roid]

Depends on what you have access to and how much synthetic chemistry you know. You can make it from 1-test by adding a methyl group with a Michael addition and quenching the enolate that results with bromine. Then, elimination of the Br can easily be accomplished by stirring with a relatively strong organic base like DBU or tetramethylguanidine. Presto, you have methenalone or 1-methyl-1-testosterone.

1-Test is extremely close in structure (methenalone minus a methyl group) and if one were to make the enanthate ester of 1-Test, I expect it would have very similar properties as primobolan depot and it is legal (in the US) to boot. Sigmund Roid did that and gained 7 lbs of water free mass in two weeks with 500 mg ew. He did, in fact, compare it to primo. He did note that it was quite a painful injection however.

Spidey, do you have a reference to a book or a patent about that? I like to read cook book recipes.

 

[bk2012]

Im not talking about starting a lab and synthesizing it. Im talking about getting the powder cheap and putting it together, its simple. and cuts your costs to a 1/5 of buying it. Check out massmonsterz.com and the how-tos

Has massmonsterz closed their forum to new members?

 

[zedhed]

Yeah i wanna know this too!!!