Making changes to how Karma works - we want your feedback.

[blut wump]

For a while when I was a kid my mom worked at a pop factory. Each week she'd bring home a crate of pop for us and we three kids would get one bottle each for our own aside from any rationing through the week. I used to save mine for Christmas. Come Christmas time, my siblings would have to ask permission to have a bottle of pop and I had my stash which I could dip into at leisure. I was aware that in the grand tally they ended up with more pop than I, since I got little from the Christmastime crates, but I was happy with my policy. I had personal wealth.

I'm not sure quite how pertinent that little story was but it felt appropriate. I'm not feeling Christmassy at this time.

 

[slat1]

So what you're saying is that K dots are now so precious you don't want to spend them -- and you still don't understand why we did this? Your K account now has some value.

Man, it's like saying "I'm not going to buy food, because it costs too much." Yeah, so? That's what money is for.

You guys crack me up. Or maybe you guys are on crack? Something crack-related going on here.

It may be possible that you do not completely understand why we are doing this.
That is fine. We used to pay to be here.
It seems to me only the mods and admins are big fans of the new system.
Everyone has a different motive and adgenda for being on a site like this. You can't discount anyones opinion. The only difference is our opinion is taking money out of GS's pocket. Actually, those who designed the new system are taking money out of GS's pocket.
If more time was taken to understand that concerns in the original thread about Karma changes this would not have occured.
That could explain some of the posts that have been made.

 

[BigRupe]

First off the karma system is NOT working for long term plat members that renew. I demand a recount.

Second I have given away Karma once and recieved it zero times since the new rules, but before I was receiving it daily. BTW thanks to all of you who gave me Karma.

Third I was stuck at 2100 Karma hits for over 3 years for some strange reason, but never worried about it. I gained about 14,000 K hits in last 30 days or less.

Heck I came into this world with nothing and I'll be leaving it with nothing so I'll continue to give away my karma.

I do want to make this point though, while I won't let karma hits define me nor define my limited contributions. Before when I made a comment or reply that helped or encouraged or moved someone that was acknowledged by a generous karma hit and a reply. It personally made me happy to know someone appreciated or was helped by something I contributed. It also gives you the internal satisfaction that you are appreciated.

Now with the changes people won't be able to afford to be generous, the amount of karma given will decrease AND the self fulfillment you once received from the giving of Karma will be greatly diminished.

It will become a vicious cycle.

In any case I will give my Karma away until it's gone after that I'll just PM someone when they say something that is helpful.

I'm not going to buy Karma. I've spent a TON of money on this site, I am STILL owed a consultation that I paid for, and I have supported nearly every sponsor we have. I have supported this site with THOUSANDS and THOUSANDS of dollars in product purchases, ebook downloads, platinum memberships renewals, book purchases and so on. I've bought and responded to just about every product email George sent me. Most I gave away to family or friends or used myself.

IMHO I deserve the karma because of my generous financial support so I can reward those who are helpful.

But I won't just buy green dots on top of what I already buy that supports the site and makes everyone a little bit richer, it's absurd.

Oh well that's my 2 Karma hits worth

 

[slat1]

It looks like all these changes were made to appease a few people who didn't like the system the way it was.
It would seem to me more people don't like it now.
It will be interesting to see if changes are made now...

Wow, all three sentences began with "it". I'm special.

 

[Mr. dB]

Something crack-related going on here.

Indeed there is. And it's all on the Admin side.

 

[BigRupe]

So what you're saying is that K dots are now so precious you don't want to spend them -- and you still don't understand why we did this? Your K account now has some value.

Man, it's like saying "I'm not going to buy food, because it costs too much." Yeah, so? That's what money is for.

You guys crack me up. Or maybe you guys are on crack? Something crack-related going on here.



You're nuts.

I mean, what the FUCK is Karma for, if it's not to encourage people to post good porn or whatever?

Momma gives you a quarter, you can stick in your piggy bank or you can buy a candy bar. (Well, that's just me showing my age again.) But just because the whores aren't going to give you a fucking green dot for doing nothing, NOW you're going to quit the site over it?

Screen door, meet butt.

I don't know who you are, but it implies you're affiliated with the site. My question is this, is that the way you should talk to your customers and consumers? Accussing them of being on crack and implying they are stupid???

I run a fairly large financial services company and I would never talk to any of my customers like that and I'd fire anyone who did.

I pay good money to be here, that I have earned through hard work and financial risk taking, and I certainly don't need to have someone who's service I am paying for using such demeaning language and illustration to voice an opinion.

It wasn't directed at me, but the opinions you insulted reflected my own to a certain degree and just seeing someone affiliated with the site being so cavalier and disrespectful to their paying clients is very discouraging.

Have a little repsect.

 

[slat1]

I took no offense to the comment.
When someone speaks they are opening a window into who they are. In a way they are describing themselves. Their opinions are based upon how they were raised and their environment.
It is the same for all of us.

 

[big4life]

So what you're saying is that K dots are now so precious you don't want to spend them -- and you still don't understand why we did this? Your K account now has some value.

Man, it's like saying "I'm not going to buy food, because it costs too much." Yeah, so? That's what money is for.

You guys crack me up. Or maybe you guys are on crack? Something crack-related going on here.

Your K account has value if you choose to invest real money into it. I'm sorry, but I don't see that happening too often, other than through plat. membership purchases. To try to place a monetary value on something that was more or less a joke from the beginning is going to be difficult, if not impossible.

You're right, nobody is going to stop buying food because it costs too much, but the last I checked we needed food, not green dots.

Finally, I think that part of the reason that people are upset is that they used karma messages like mini PM's. As sort of a way to joke around with your friends. Now that's gone, and they see it as less fun than before. Maybe that's wasn't the intended purpose, but that was the way it evolved.

Maybe a better way to handle this would have been to create two different karma systems. One that has a monetary value, and one that is just "green dots" that people can use like the old karma system. If you really like someone's post you can give them karma that is worth something, if it's just to say hi, you can use the old system.

 

[stuck]

Maybe a better way to handle this would have been to create two different karma systems. One that has a monetary value, and one that is just "green dots" that people can use like the old karma system. If you really like someone's post you can give them karma that is worth something, if it's just to say hi, you can use the old system.

This would be perfect if such a thing was floating around for vbulletin.

 

[BigRupe]

I took no offense to the comment.
When someone speaks they are opening a window into who they are. In a way they are describing themselves. Their opinions are based upon how they were raised and their environment.
It is the same for all of us.

A very astute observation.