Macro, the final word on Saw Palmetto?

[cure]

i have done searches and cannot find any evidence that finasteride + winny can cause accelerated hairloss.

Like i said, i understand finasteride + tren or nandrolone can cause accelerated hairloss. Is this also true with winny? and if yes couldn't the same be said then for dbol?

 

[cure]

search results. "Finasteride does nothing for Winny, as it is already a 5-alpha reduced steroid. For what it is worth though, studies show that both estrogenic and androgenic action are needed to induce BPH."

That is what i'm figuring that is why i was saying to us something like finasteride for test and spiro combined with xandrox or nizoral for winny/dbol/eq etc etc...

 

[panerai]

Finasteride helps only with Testosteron. And is not advisable to use, only with Nandrolones.
Sprinolactone(topical) you can use pretty much succesfully(not guarantee) with any steroid, any!

 

[ultragainz]

i only take it with test,d-bol,eq,anavar..

 

[BTL]

thanks for all of the reply's. Using the search on elite produces tons of posts and threads, but all with the same differing opinions. Ultra seems to have it right. ANyone else like a bio/chem major that could explain how sp prevents hairloss, and other thoughts?

 

[Japanese machine]

what if your stacking, test and "fina"? can you take it?

and also whats the reasoning behind it? does it hinder gains? does a certain negative reaction occur?

 

[Maxx Out]

Finastride should be avoided w/aas that convert to prog.(a-50, deca, fina, para, etc). It's ok to use w/winny and other roids.

Maxx >>>>>

 

[pittbull2]

Ultra,What are the effects using saw pal and deca at the same time?

 

[panerai]

thanks for all of the reply's. Using the search on elite produces tons of posts and threads, but all with the same differing opinions. Ultra seems to have it right. ANyone else like a bio/chem major that could explain how sp prevents hairloss, and other thoughts?

Spironolactone binds to receptor sites on hair follicles and prevent DHT from doing so. It's safe to use it, even with Deca.

 

[panerai]

Bill Roberts in "Enzymatic conversion of Anabolic-Androgenic Steroids":

"5alpha-reductase

This enzyme can do one thing and one thing only: convert a steroid with a double bond between carbon 4 and carbon 5 to one with a single bond between them (and also adding a hydrogen to each carbon so the total number of bonds remains correct.)

This means that it can convert testosterone to DHT (Figure 8) or nandrolone to DHN (Figure 9) but it cannot convert Winstrol or Anadrol (Figure 2) despite the uninformed claims of careless steroid authors. And although Dianabol does have a double bond between carbons 4 and 5, it nonetheless also is not converted by 5AR.

Both Type 1 and Type 2 versions (isozymes) of 5AR exist. Type 2 is present in the prostate, and Proscar is a good inhibitor of that isozyme. Type 1 is present in the scalp and skin, and unfortunately Proscar is a poor inhibitor for that type"

So, according to Bill, only Testosteron users can benefit from Finasteride, and will get worse hairloss if they use Deca.
Winstrol, Anadrol, Dianabol(obviously EQ), and I, personally believe Trenbolone also, are not effected by 5-alpha reductase enzyme, meaning that it doesn't really matter from the hairloss point of view, if you use Finasteride with them, or not.