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mac & cheese for bulking

georgie24

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i know needsize is a big fan of mac-n-cheese i would like to hear you guys thoughts on this.

mods please leave this here as it pertains to buiding muscle. the diet board is full of too much squaking and splitting hairs :)
 
If you're looking to increase your calories the easy way, try using half and half or light cream in your protein shakes. It's hella easy and makes them taste better too. MAC and cheese is allright but if you like the route of carbs and fat combo you can also do a serving of rice and tilapia, and a tablespoon or 2 of hemp oil on the rice. Same effect and much healthier.
 
A calorie is a calorie, but by eating Mac+Cheese, you're getting a lot less bang for your buck than eating some Oats+Flax Seed Oil.
 
Looks good for the cals. But i look at more then just the calories. I like to see the fat, carb and protein source. I am most specifics about my fats, i want only Omega 3/6/9's. It's VERY important to our health, ESPECIALLY when ASing. But i see what you're saying with this, mac and cheese is a little getto IMO, but hey if you like it, it looks good on paper.
 
off topic, but my morning shake is badass.... 2 cups milk, 5 eggs (2 whole 3 white), 1 cup of oats, 2 splenda's. mix em up and chug it down!
 
I know there are a lot of people that disagree with it as a bulking choice, but considering its cheap, easy, high carbs, low fat, I've never understood the arguement. Plus, with a can of tuna, or 1/2 container of cottage cheese(this actually tastes good in it, especially in the white cheddar stuff), you have over 40 grams of protein per serving as well
 
i was running low on food the other day found a box in the back of the cupboard..so i ate it..the whole damn box...the whole box has 60g of protein..that aint too bad ;)
 
Sometimes there is just nothing better than a full box of KD, and eat it right out of the pot. I used to down a box of KD with a protein shake asap after my leg days. Like NS mentioned, its cheap and good. I wouldnt base it as one of my "core" meals, but I dont see a problem eating the stuff after workouts occasionally. While trying to bulk that is, or if you are an ecto. There is a lot of everything in it... protien carbs and fat.
 
Mavy said:
Sometimes there is just nothing better than a full box of KD, and eat it right out of the pot. I used to down a box of KD with a protein shake asap after my leg days. Like NS mentioned, its cheap and good. I wouldnt base it as one of my "core" meals, but I dont see a problem eating the stuff after workouts occasionally. While trying to bulk that is, or if you are an ecto. There is a lot of everything in it... protien carbs and fat.

good points, some people dont understand the value of cheap, in my case my cycle costs are enormous, and my wife is on maternity leave, so I cant afford to spend crazy amounts of cash to get the perfect diet. As long as something has enough protein and carbs in it, good enough for me. I dont eat as much KD as I used to, but its a great option, especially in a case like mine where I need crazy amounts of calories to gain mass
 
What ever works for YOUR body. We are all different. It is a trial and error process. Looks like it works for a couple of you guys!
 
georgie24 said:
here's the profile

carbs 48 g
fat 2.5 g
protien -10 g

total 400 calories

per serving

I like this better "straight pasta without the cheese"

carbs 52g per 40g serving
fat 0g
protein 2

I eat pasta products strictly for carbs and not for fat or protein
 
hammertime30 said:
I like this better "straight pasta without the cheese"

carbs 52g per 40g serving
fat 0g
protein 2

I eat pasta products strictly for carbs and not for fat or protein

I dont eat pasta for protein or fat either, but I still need those extra calories to grow
 
ever make mac and cheese with ham? its pretty cool

to stay on the cheap and quick side of things just get a can of ham.. its right next to the tuna and chicken in a can

just stir it in and it adds a great taste and about 60 grams of protein to the meal :)
 
400 cals and 48 grams of carbs for how much money though? I get rolled pearled barly for like 80 cents a lbs. Which gives me about 6 dry cups. Each containing around 150 grams of carbs and 573 calories. The glycemic index of barely is lower than any other grain, and the only foods the seem to beat it it are peanuts (due to the high fat content) and plain yogurt.

Processed foods are NOT the best buy for the $$$.
 
BodyByFinaplix said:
400 cals and 48 grams of carbs for how much money though? I get rolled pearled barly for like 80 cents a lbs. Which gives me about 6 dry cups. Each containing around 150 grams of carbs and 573 calories. The glycemic index of barely is lower than any other grain, and the only foods the seem to beat it it are peanuts (due to the high fat content) and plain yogurt.

Processed foods are NOT the best buy for the $$$.


under $1 a box, which gives me too large meals. And I actually like the taste of it, I couldnt eat what you listed unless it was a contest diet
 
What about ramen noodles then? The ones my brother and I used to get ran about 550-600 calories per package, and they cost 18 cents each. About 10g's of fat, 10g's of protein, and no sugar. Actually, I should buy that stuff again since I'm poor :) Oh and mac and cheese with some ground beef in it is one of my all-time favs!
 
Lowest said:
What about ramen noodles then? The ones my brother and I used to get ran about 550-600 calories per package, and they cost 18 cents each. About 10g's of fat, 10g's of protein, and no sugar. Actually, I should buy that stuff again since I'm poor :) Oh and mac and cheese with some ground beef in it is one of my all-time favs!

Ramen is high in trans fats. Not a good choice.
 
Damn, I knew there had to be a reason I stopped eating them! I couldn't remember where the fat came from, I guess that's where. Oh well, I haven't eaten them in years, so it won't be hard to stay away :) Have any healthier choices BBF? I'm about to start bulking again and it takes a helluva lot of calories, especially to get over 200lbs.
 
Mavy said:
Sometimes there is just nothing better than a full box of KD, and eat it right out of the pot. I used to down a box of KD with a protein shake asap after my leg days. Like NS mentioned, its cheap and good. I wouldnt base it as one of my "core" meals, but I dont see a problem eating the stuff after workouts occasionally. While trying to bulk that is, or if you are an ecto. There is a lot of everything in it... protien carbs and fat.

whats KD? is it like a canadian thing ;)
i like velveeta :p
 
wnt2bBeast said:
whats KD? is it like a canadian thing ;)
i like velveeta :p


kraft dinner
 
I couldn't agree more about the Kraft mac 'n' cheese for bulking. Cheap and effective. I used to eat a box of mac 'n' cheese every night for dinner and I still eat it maybe once a week.

I love kraft mac 'n' cheese. The three cheese and white cheddar flavors being my 2 favs. YUM.

Wouldn't recommend it for other than bulking though cuz it will put the weight on.
 
Guys, let's use some common sense here, you know that some rolled oats and flax seed oil is better for your body than a box of mac and cheese.
 
why is everyone so anti mac and cheese? i dont understand why the bashing...do you guys have links or articles saying its just as bad as mickey d's???

wtf!
 
I personally could not eat perfect while bulking or even just maintaining. I have to have some tasty food and drink, especially if I'm bulking. I eat clean about 75% of the time and eat not so clean, but still healthier than fast food the other 25% of the time when maintaining. When bulking I aim to eat healthy and bad about the same, but add more bad things to healthy to add calories and carbs. Basically stuff like butter, sugar, mayo etc.

I don't think leading a healthy life style includes tasty food deprivation. I'm sorry, but oatmeal or rolled oats or whatever tastes like ass to me unless I've got it mixed with milk, some butter, and brown sugar which is exactly how I like it when bulking because then it tastes good.

Now if I'm dieting then that's a different story. Then I can be uber strict and eat just rolled oats and flax oil or whatever that is basically hella bland, but low in fat, low in simple carbs and is good for losing fat and maintaining muscle because then I know that any of the bad stuff will hurt or slow down my fat loss efforts from working optimally.

But we are talking about bulking here aren't we?

Doesn't make sense to me to eat uber strict while bulking anyway. You're gonna gain some fat regardless because you need to take in a caloric surplus. I'd rather gain a few extra fat pounds and enjoy my bulking time and ability to eat tasty food then make it struggle to see how much bland tuna, egg whites, chicken breast, brown rice and oatmeal I can consume a day. Bulking should be fun imo. Eat big, get big, eat uber strict on diet time only.

That's just my opinion.
 
georgie24 said:
why is everyone so anti mac and cheese? i dont understand why the bashing...do you guys have links or articles saying its just as bad as mickey d's???

wtf!
Just use common sense man.
 
Do a google search and find out why processed foods like M&C is crap.

georgie24 said:
why is everyone so anti mac and cheese? i dont understand why the bashing...do you guys have links or articles saying its just as bad as mickey d's???

wtf!
 
I'll have a mac and cheese dinner as my first post workout meal(lowfat, no butter and skim) along with a protein shake. I'll also have pancakes but I'm trying to consume 150g of carbs postworkout when bulking. An hour later I'm eating hot oat bran cereal and some blueberries with a milk isolate shake(aroung 60g carbs) to stabilize blood sugar.
 
I find it funny that everyone thinks this stuff is so bad for you....I have blood tests done all the time, and on top of my enormous cycles, everything always checks out fine. So I would love to see some proof from you guys that eat crap like rolled oats every day, how much healthier you are than me? And out of all those guys trashing it, how many of you have gone through a 16-20 week contest diet and gotten down to 3% bodyfat? Thats the time when I watch everything that goes into my mouth, there is no way in hell I would even attempt to eat that way year round and be miserable every day....and to what end?
I would also love to see you guys get to the size of a successful competitive bodybuilder, while eating clean like that all the time. Unless you have unreal genetics, you cant do it
 
Needsize, cheat a bit (one bad meal a day) is fine when bulking, and even up til probably the last 8 weeks of a contest diet for most, but white floor is still not good for you. It increases the chance of diabetes later in life, can reduce insulin senstivity over time.

While it is fine, I'm just saying that you could get better nutrition for your $ with rolled oats or barley if the issue really is price as you said. However, I suspect, it has more to do with just wanted to eat something you like. WHich is fine. I eat pizza at least twice a week right now, and seem to be getting leaner from week to week since my diet is very strict outside of my occasional cheat throughout the week.
 
I am simply amazed this question even has to be asked.

It's pasta made (if using label directions) with processed fake ass cheese powder, butter (fat) and milk (sugar).

Some can get away with eating it, most cannot, without adding a great deal of adipose tissue while bulking, as it's a processed carb mixed w/fats. Not the best choice at all, as carbs do not build muscle, they only assist protein in doing that job, as when you are an assistant, you only assist you are not the focus.

~SC~
 
JavaGuru said:
I'll have a mac and cheese dinner as my first post workout meal(lowfat, no butter and skim) along with a protein shake. I'll also have pancakes but I'm trying to consume 150g of carbs postworkout when bulking. An hour later I'm eating hot oat bran cereal and some blueberries with a milk isolate shake(aroung 60g carbs) to stabilize blood sugar.

I can see using it w/no butter and very little milk pwo w/chicken breast and such if one wants to use pasta, yes. Bulking only of course.......

~SC~
 
SC, you work with some big ass bodybuilders, just out of curiousity, do the guys you work with eat clean when trying to add mass? I have tried it, and there simply arent enough calories in "clean" food for me to add any weight to my frame
 
needsize said:
SC, you work with some big ass bodybuilders, just out of curiousity, do the guys you work with eat clean when trying to add mass? I have tried it, and there simply arent enough calories in "clean" food for me to add any weight to my frame

Yes they eat clean w/a cheat meal 1 to 2 times per week.

There are plently of Kcals in clean food. Clean food has the same macros available as does junk food. :)

~SC~
 
~SC~ said:
Yes they eat clean w/a cheat meal 1 to 2 times per week.

There are plently of Kcals in clean food. Clean food has the same macros available as does junk food. :)

~SC~


There's PLENTY of ways to eat cleanly and get 4,500-5,000 cals no sweat....

My adivce is to NOT follow what Needsize does........this is nothing against him, as I'm a big supporter, but he;s genetically gifted.............that's the problem........many think what works for one will work for everyone else...
 
I buy whole wheat macaroni cook it up,mix with tuna,then pour melted cheese on it.

prob not a ton better,but it keeps things tasty,and gives me 2-3 meals with 30g pro each meal,more if I drink milk with it
 
TheOak01 said:
I buy whole wheat macaroni cook it up,mix with tuna,then pour melted cheese on it.

prob not a ton better,but it keeps things tasty,and gives me 2-3 meals with 30g pro each meal,more if I drink milk with it
and then in the next breath you said how fat you were but didn't care........so that's the trade-off......
 
ya Im not worried about being lean,so I guess Im not one to ask,aslong as I am sub20% and dont have a gut Im happy,abs mean fuck all to me
 
needsize said:
SC, you work with some big ass bodybuilders, just out of curiousity, do the guys you work with eat clean when trying to add mass? I have tried it, and there simply arent enough calories in "clean" food for me to add any weight to my frame

??? I can eat 7000 cals of clean food without feeling over-stuffed.
 
trust me, I'm not genetically gifted, not when it comes to gaining mass
there is a piece of the equation that I probably should have explained, I'm on meds for brutal acid reflux, and it causes bad stomach bloating on most days. Which makes it very difficult to eat as I am still painfully bloated from the last meal when its time to eat again. So eating enough calories clean is almost impossible for me, but the less "clean" foods tend to be more calorie dense, which means I can actually fit enough calories in my stomach
 
You know your acid reflux may be due to not hainvg enough acid in your stomach and you anti-acid meds may actually be making it worse. I know you can help by drinking a table spoon or 2 of vinegar before eating to raise the stomach acidity. This really works for some.
 
damn I was reallly rooting halfway through this thread I thought we actually had a chance of being allowed to eat M&C

until SC showed up :(
 
Bran987 said:
damn I was reallly rooting halfway through this thread I thought we actually had a chance of being allowed to eat M&C

until SC showed up :(

LOL........

U can have it bro, just have to use it as a cheat food, or prepare it according to your dietary approach.

~SC~
 
needsize said:
trust me, I'm not genetically gifted, not when it comes to gaining mass
there is a piece of the equation that I probably should have explained, I'm on meds for brutal acid reflux, and it causes bad stomach bloating on most days. Which makes it very difficult to eat as I am still painfully bloated from the last meal when its time to eat again. So eating enough calories clean is almost impossible for me, but the less "clean" foods tend to be more calorie dense, which means I can actually fit enough calories in my stomach

You on nexium needsize? I just got prescribed that shit the other day.. havnt filled it yet because i dont want to fuck with my body...

I started adding a cup of lactose free skim milk first thing in the morning, cut out diet pop COMPLETELY, cut out coffee and pop a couple calcium magnesium at some point in the day... heart burn has been reduced a fair ammount in only 2 days.
 
drbones2 said:
You on nexium needsize? I just got prescribed that shit the other day.. havnt filled it yet because i dont want to fuck with my body...

I started adding a cup of lactose free skim milk first thing in the morning, cut out diet pop COMPLETELY, cut out coffee and pop a couple calcium magnesium at some point in the day... heart burn has been reduced a fair ammount in only 2 days.

I have cut my coffee consumption to half a pot in the morning now. I rarely drink pop anymore. Feels much better on my gut now. Take enzymes to help break down your food. This helps greatly.

http://www.thevitaminshoppe.com/browse/sku_detail.jhtml;$sessionid$PMD4FI1PGPBG4CQUAOWSM4QKCQB1AGXK?SkuID=4121
 
I like M&C also, but if I am going to cheat it will definitely be with pizza. I was wondering what kind of pizza would be the best to eat? I have to try and stay somewhat healthy.

I don't currently have any cheat meals, but that's making it a little hard on the wife. She is constantly wanting to have pizza or Taco Bell.
 
Jor-El said:
I like M&C also, but if I am going to cheat it will definitely be with pizza. I was wondering what kind of pizza would be the best to eat? I have to try and stay somewhat healthy.

I don't currently have any cheat meals, but that's making it a little hard on the wife. She is constantly wanting to have pizza or Taco Bell.


Shit bor thats easy, thin crust bbq chicken!!!!
 
Lowest said:
Oh and mac and cheese with some ground beef in it is one of my all-time favs!

hey buddy if you had thought of this 50 years ago you coulda been a billionaire

it's called hamburger helper
 
i think you guys are suffering from analisys paralisys (sp) there are alot of obsessive dieters here thats why i posted this in anabolic section. you people need medication.


" rolled oats" lmfao!!!
 
I'm totally fine med-free, I just gave my professional opinion.

What people do w/it, who knows, and who cares. :)

~SC~
 
This is the perfect example as to why I come to these boards for entertainment purposes only - many were close to agreeing that mac & cheese was a good addition to ones diet. lol Next everyone will be saying, "hey, I heard Arnold smoked cigarettes. Since Arnold was in great shape then it must be true that cigarettes can help you get into better shape." :)


Georgie
Maybe some of us are a little obsessive about our diets. Then again, some of us aren't too embarrassed to post our pics. lol Nice avatar by the way. I wonder what he has in store for you next. ;)

georgie24 said:
i think you guys are suffering from analisys paralisys (sp) there are alot of obsessive dieters here thats why i posted this in anabolic section. you people need medication.


" rolled oats" lmfao!!!
 
Well, the mac and cheese dinner I eat post workout as I prepare it(no butter and 1/4C skim milk) has the following macro breakdown. 35g P 150g CHO 5g F when I add my protein shake it raises the protein by 50g. This has worked great as a postworkout meal and it lets me feel like I'm getting away with something.
 
NJRipped said:
Georgie
Maybe some of us are a little obsessive about our diets. Then again, some of us aren't too embarrassed to post our pics. lol Nice avatar by the way. I wonder what he has in store for you next. ;)

I'm not obsessive about my diet, and sure am not afraid to post pics
 
also not everyones ideal physique is john basedow..to grow you will put on some fat..ive said it before, "ANYONE" can get ripped to absolute shreds in 5 months with dedication/diet/cardio..yet almost no one can build a monster in 5 months..if you want to remain sub 200 with washboard abs and squat 185 and hang with the cardio bunnies thats cool..me ill be in the back of the gym with chalk all over me :chomp:
 
wnt2bBeast said:
i knew he had some secret ingredient lol


LOL, it's all of his "invigorating power-yoga moves!!!!!!!!"

U know those add tons of mass! :D

~SC~
 
The same is true with bodybuilders. "ANYONE" could build up their physique so that they could enter BB contests if they were dedicated to their training/diet and were juiced to the gills. The point is very few people have the dedication to either become ripped or huge. Most just choose to remain fat.

wnt2bBeast said:
also not everyones ideal physique is john basedow..to grow you will put on some fat..ive said it before, "ANYONE" can get ripped to absolute shreds in 5 months with dedication/diet/cardio..yet almost no one can build a monster in 5 months..if you want to remain sub 200 with washboard abs and squat 185 and hang with the cardio bunnies thats cool..me ill be in the back of the gym with chalk all over me :chomp:
 
wnt2bBeast said:
also not everyones ideal physique is john basedow..to grow you will put on some fat..ive said it before, "ANYONE" can get ripped to absolute shreds in 5 months with dedication/diet/cardio..yet almost no one can build a monster in 5 months..if you want to remain sub 200 with washboard abs and squat 185 and hang with the cardio bunnies thats cool..me ill be in the back of the gym with chalk all over me :chomp:


;) Much MUCH harder to be 250 and ripped than it is to be there at 170lbs...........just look around the gym.............you got the fat slobs......you got the skinny twigs...............and you got the in-between'ers......
 
im not small but i dont think im huge either..i love food (eggs,steak, chicken i like em all)..i find it VERY difficult to keep eating to get big..i eat 10-15 egg whites every morning and sometimes again at nite..juice aint the answer bro..its just merely one of the tools to get you there..

again its a matter of what ones ideal physique should be..being ripped at 170> thats basically an average guy with average strength who went on a diet and did some cardio..nothing wrong with that if thats your goal
 
wnt2bBeast said:
im not small but i dont think im huge either..i love food (eggs,steak, chicken i like em all)..i find it VERY difficult to keep eating to get big..i eat 10-15 egg whites every morning and sometimes again at nite..juice aint the answer bro..its just merely one of the tools to get you there..

again its a matter of what ones ideal physique should be..being ripped at 170> thats basically an average guy with average strength who went on a diet and did some cardio..nothing wrong with that if thats your goal
You got any pics bro?
 
As I say to everyone who says I have an "average," "easily attainable," "skinny," "all you need is cardio" physique: let's each post some new pics to compare to one another. The response is inevitably "ok, in a few months." lol But I'll ask again wnt2bBeast, are you up for it? One die I'll die of a heart attack when someone finally agrees and actually posts some verified pics. ;)

Signed
Just your average physique

wnt2bBeast said:
im not small but i dont think im huge either..i love food (eggs,steak, chicken i like em all)..i find it VERY difficult to keep eating to get big..i eat 10-15 egg whites every morning and sometimes again at nite..juice aint the answer bro..its just merely one of the tools to get you there..

again its a matter of what ones ideal physique should be..being ripped at 170> thats basically an average guy with average strength who went on a diet and did some cardio..nothing wrong with that if thats your goal
 
JKurz1 said:
I wouldnt go around telling people that bro....dude is a complete fragggggggggg

Why can't I say he's on "swole" meaning, jokingly of course, that he is a huge mass monster? In Harvard chat it would read, "John Basedow has an incredible amount of lean muscle mass".........so, you can see it's a joke. :)

I didn't mean he was on one of SwoleCat's Programs.........is that what you thought? LOL...........I don't have a program called "SWOLE"..............

About JB's sexuality (I believe you meant to type "fag" aka gay/homosexual), it's great that you know he's gay, as I had no idea.

It's hard for me to judge from the 3 advertisements I've seen that are making him an insane amount of money, while people type about him being a fag.

~SC~
 
~SC~ said:
I didn't mean he was on one of SwoleCat's Programs.........is that what you thought? LOL...........I don't have a program called "SWOLE"..............


~SC~

so it's a secret..........
please send me info on how I can get in on the new "SWOLE" program I don't care what it costs
thanks-bran
 
Bran987 said:
so it's a secret..........
please send me info on how I can get in on the new "SWOLE" program I don't care what it costs
thanks-bran

LMFAO!!!!!!!! :artist:

~SC~
 
JKurz1 said:
You got any pics bro?
no pics..dont plan on posting any either..i may post a squat video though as it seems the low back is recovering pretty good..

NJ our physiques are the complete opposite would ronnie show up at the O in mid season shape? im on an extended bulking phase and dont plan on cutting any time soon..what would pics prove? im not some little punk kid im 30 and dont post on these boards to call people out and then back out..i post what i have been through and what has given me results..diet is defnitely not my forte..as im sure you can tell from my posts your bf is lower than mine so again what would pics prove..these are my stats
5'10 245 15%
 
This isn't exactly a "Mr. O" pic showing. lol No, you don't post to "call people out" but you also don't mind telling others they have an easily attainable, average build that anyone who diets and does a little cardio can achieve. lol

When you insult someone else's physique then you damn well better be willing to post pics of your own or expect to be called on it (at least by me). It's all good though, I predicted you wouldn't and just like all the others before you, I predicted correctly. ;)

wnt2bBeast said:
NJ our physiques are the complete opposite would ronnie show up at the O in mid season shape? im on an extended bulking phase and dont plan on cutting any time soon..what would pics prove? im not some little punk kid im 30 and dont post on these boards to call people out and then back out..i post what i have been through and what has given me results..diet is defnitely not my forte..as im sure you can tell from my posts your bf is lower than mine so again what would pics prove..these are my stats
5'10 245 15%
 
NJRipped said:
This isn't exactly a "Mr. O" pic showing. lol No, you don't post to "call people out" but you also don't mind telling others they have an easily attainable, average build that anyone who diets and does a little cardio can achieve. lol

When you insult someone else's physique then you damn well better be willing to post pics of your own or expect to be called on it (at least by me). It's all good though, I predicted you wouldn't and just like all the others before you, I predicted correctly. ;)

when did i insult your physique? you should try bulking its not really as easy as you think..if you are at your ideal physique than fine dont put someone down or think they are lazy because they have some excess fat on them..

you want a comp lets see who can squat more!!!!

i got a question for you? i dont know what your bf is right now lets say its 6-8? what's your goal and what do you do next?
 
When did you insult my physique - are you joking? Did you read my post (or any of your own for that matter)?

Let me try to break it down for you. If you posted your pic on Elite and someone said your physique was that of an "average guy" that "went on a diet and did some cardio", would you take that as an insult after all of your work (please note that that words in quotes are yours).

As far as your contest. First, how the hell are we going to see who can squat more on the internet. lol You won't even post a pic, now you're going to post a video. Second, I don't care at all about strength just as you couldn't care less about having excess fat.

What is my goal - that's a good question. To stay exactly where I am all year 'round. Before my diet I did the whole "bulk" thing justifying being fat to grow. That's over and won't ever be back. I'd rather look good all the time than maybe that one time per year when I de-bulked. lol

QUOTE=wnt2bBeast]when did i insult your physique? you should try bulking its not really as easy as you think..if you are at your ideal physique than fine dont put someone down or think they are lazy because they have some excess fat on them..

you want a comp lets see who can squat more!!!!

i got a question for you? i dont know what your bf is right now lets say its 6-8? what's your goal and what do you do next?[/QUOTE]
 
so you are happy with the amount of muscle you have on your frame right now? if you are thats fine...see i am not happy with the amount of muscle i have which is why i see no point trying to get ripped..when that day comes i plan on shedding the excess fat/water and maintaining a lower bf..

I really am not trying to insult you but do you think you have above average musculature? again im looking at your avi and you look good..but do you think your in the same league as say galaxy or needsize? they are above average..to get their they didnt spend all their time cutting or worrying if they lose their abs..

you care nothing about strength so you care nothing about making gains from your workout? again you must be happy with the amount of muscle you have and that is totally fine..but some of us want to be bigger..
 
I'm pretty ripped now. Am I content? Hell no. I was once 30lbs heavier and a hell of a lot stronger, but chunky as well.......I'm in search of the happy median......

NJ - why start a comotion about pics on every thread? Shit is old.....you're a skinny, lean, dude who has worked hard to get there....even if it does mean "looking like the average joe" Question - can people tell you work out when you are fully clothed? Than in their minds, you're avg. just like them. No one realizes how hard it is to stay lean and ripped, but then again, no one realize how hard it is to be big, massive and strong, yet not another fat ass.....

Let bygons be.......too each his own......pic videos or none, who really cares?
 
im planning on posting a video for the training board..not because of NJ..and the reason being is vids from guys like NS and tweakle motivate me..As far as pics go i hate my pic being taken i have very few pics of me even with my family..and im not vain enough to stand in front of a mirror and snap pics of my physique..proof to me is a 2k total..some day ill get there ;)
 
Just for the record, I think John Basedow has the ideal physique. This is what I aspire too. I know I have a bit too much muscle so here is my game plan to look like him in 20 weeks:

1) snort a line of coke prior to lifting and reduce all of my weights in the gym by 50-75%, and do nothign but high rep sets with 20-30 seconds between sets.
2) snort a line of coke, then do an hour on the eliptical trainer every day
3) go on a zero carb, low fat diet. I'm going to live on tuna, grilled chicken and celery.
4) use 100 mcg of t3 every day
5) snort an extra line of coke just to be safe

My dream will be realized in a few months guys...
 
wnt2bBeast said:
dont forget that amazing hair piece he has..it looks so natural :chomp:

I left that out because that part is just unobtainable for us regular mortals. But you are right... it just looks soooooooo real.
 
The reason I get into "posting pics" all the time is because idiots constantly feel the need to criticize my physique despite the fact they're too embarrassed to post their own pics. You would think by now they would learn but they never do. lol


JKurz1 said:
NJ - why start a comotion about pics on every thread? Shit is old.....you're a skinny, lean, dude who has worked hard to get there....even if it does mean "looking like the average joe" Question - can people tell you work out when you are fully clothed? Than in their minds, you're avg. just like them. No one realizes how hard it is to stay lean and ripped, but then again, no one realize how hard it is to be big, massive and strong, yet not another fat ass.....

Let bygons be.......too each his own......pic videos or none, who really cares?
 
BodyByFinaplix said:
nice edit lol

ive never seen this guy in the training forum ever..i guess he just sticks here in the diet forum..keep up that basedow look..

anytime you wannna learn how to lift feel free to pm me..
im done arguing but i will say this once my low back is 100% i plan on posting a squat vid i will be glad to email it to you..then you can post your anorexic pics..then we can all be happy because your a shredded string bean...

you win..youre so much better than me

:rolleyes:
 
6 packs are impressive. A lean semi-muscled physique looks good, but in street clothes you can barely tell they lift. It's definitley not a WOAW, that's an obvious lifter kinda thing.

I respect a lean physique and all the diet restrictions that go with it, but a big strong looking physique with some chub is more impressive and a big muscular physique is the most impressive.

I see alot of guys in the gym that have 6 packs and have "some" muscle. I see a "few" guys that are big and strong that have some chub. I rarely see a big, strong and muscular physique walking around although the big strong guys could definitely be that way in the future with a well planned and executed diet. The same cannot be said for the smaller guys with the 6 pack.

I almost had a 6 pack at 10% BF, but I only weighed 156lbs in the Navy. If I had lifted I might have weighed 165lbs.

What do you see more, 6 packs or +315lbs benches? 6 packs or +500lbs squats. 6 packs or +500 deadlifts. 6 packs or 100's DB's for seated press?

A 6 pack is definitely easier to acquire and takes less time than it takes to get big enough and strong enough to lift those kind of poundages or greater. I'd rather bench 450, squat 750, deadlift 700 and big numbers in all the assistance lifts and have possibly +20% BF because I know once I cut up I'm still gonna be BIG and strong "with" a 6 pack, and alot bigger and stronger than the guys that always worry about having a 6 pack.

A 6 pack is cool, but without alot of muscle and strength to go with it, it's not that impressive imo.
 
You also have a big mouth for someone too ashamed to post their pics (oh, I fogot your "I'm bulking excuse"). lol Let me ask you something: Why bother even working out if you're too embarassed to take off your shirt? If you go to the beach do you wear a sign saying "Warning, I'm bulking." ;) I never said I'm better than you only that I look better than you. lol

wnt2bBeast said:
nice edit lol

ive never seen this guy in the training forum ever..i guess he just sticks here in the diet forum..keep up that basedow look..

anytime you wannna learn how to lift feel free to pm me..
im done arguing but i will say this once my low back is 100% i plan on posting a squat vid i will be glad to email it to you..then you can post your anorexic pics..then we can all be happy because your a shredded string bean...

you win..youre so much better than me

:rolleyes:
 
GhettoStudMuffin said:
6 packs are impressive. A lean semi-muscled physique looks good, but in street clothes you can barely tell they lift. It's definitley not a WOAW, that's an obvious lifter kinda thing.

I respect a lean physique and all the diet restrictions that go with it, but a big strong looking physique with some chub is more impressive and a big muscular physique is the most impressive.

I see alot of guys in the gym that have 6 packs and have "some" muscle. I see a "few" guys that are big and strong that have some chub. I rarely see a big, strong and muscular physique walking around although the big strong guys could definitely be that way in the future with a well planned and executed diet. The same cannot be said for the smaller guys with the 6 pack.

I almost had a 6 pack at 10% BF, but I only weighed 156lbs in the Navy. If I had lifted I might have weighed 165lbs.

What do you see more, 6 packs or +315lbs benches? 6 packs or +500lbs squats. 6 packs or +500 deadlifts. 6 packs or 100's DB's for seated press?

A 6 pack is definitely easier to acquire and takes less time than it takes to get big enough and strong enough to lift those kind of poundages or greater. I'd rather bench 450, squat 750, deadlift 700 and big numbers in all the assistance lifts and have possibly +20% BF because I know once I cut up I'm still gonna be BIG and strong "with" a 6 pack, and alot bigger and stronger than the guys that always worry about having a 6 pack.

A 6 pack is cool, but without alot of muscle and strength to go with it, it's not that impressive imo.
thanks for echoing my thoughts, HOWEVER, 20% is over the edge...........when I say bulk, I mean around 12% MAX..........over 15% in my opinion is FAT and we tend to use the "bulking" excuse to leisurely.......I have little respect for the 20%bf dude who benches 350, esp. in the 240-250lb range.....
 
JKurz1 said:
Alright internet muscles.....enough before this gets ugly............
lol

who said i was afraid to take my shirt off? if you read what i wrote you would know that i dont like my pic taken..this is something that has affected me since i was a kid..and fyi i was a skinny kid up until 13 when i sprouted a lot earleier than most kids..

I work out because i enjoy it..i like training my lifts..for me strength=size..i bet you dont squat?
 
JKurz1 said:
thanks for echoing my thoughts, HOWEVER, 20% is over the edge...........when I say bulk, I mean around 12% MAX..........over 15% in my opinion is FAT and we tend to use the "bulking" excuse to leisurely.......I have little respect for the 20%bf dude who benches 350, esp. in the 240-250lb range.....
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LOL Bro, you had me rolling on the floor with that excuse. I never heard of someone being camera shy about having a body (not face) pic being taken - well, except maybe Rosanne. lol Stick with the "I don't have a digital cam" excuse - it's old but still quite effective for these boards. Why don't we just end this and agree to disagree - you're only getting in deeper. ;)

wnt2bBeast said:
lol

who said i was afraid to take my shirt off? if you read what i wrote you would know that i dont like my pic taken..this is something that has affected me since i was a kid..and fyi i was a skinny kid up until 13 when i sprouted a lot earleier than most kids..

I work out because i enjoy it..i like training my lifts..for me strength=size..i bet you dont squat?
 
NJRipped said:
LOL Bro, you had me rolling on the floor with that excuse. I never heard of someone being camera shy about having a body (not face) pic being taken - well, except maybe Rosanne. lol Stick with the "I don't have a digital cam" excuse - it's old but still quite effective for these boards. Why don't we just end this and agree to disagree - you're only getting in deeper. ;)
glad i can make you laugh..im not sure why you want my pic so bad..im not gay..i like women..i really dont have a dig cam..my brother does though..

i tell you what you stick here in diet land ill stick to training..
you still havent answered my question if you squat or not
 
NJRipped said:
LOL Bro, you had me rolling on the floor with that excuse. I never heard of someone being camera shy about having a body (not face) pic being taken - well, except maybe Rosanne. lol Stick with the "I don't have a digital cam" excuse - it's old but still quite effective for these boards. Why don't we just end this and agree to disagree - you're only getting in deeper. ;)

I don't have a digital cam, but that is fine, BBF's Loch Ness Monster Web Cam Pics are famous on EF now.

My girlfriend will buy a cable for her digital cam soon, so that I can actually upload the picture to my computer.

In any event, I'm in the middle on this one. I'm strong with a considerable amount of size (yes, more than in my avatar), but I'm sure as hell no 20% bf. I believe in clean bulking, and keeping a log of what one eats. At present I'm 5'9" 231 lbs with visable abes. In the past I've benched 455 for 3, deadlifted 615 for a single, 22 plate hack squats to parrallel for 6, 150 lbs strict barbell curls for 5 etc.

My advice:
NJRipped: nice abs but you need to lift heavy and put on some size. As "Bubba" Colman once said, "Everybody wants to be a bodybuilding but nobody wants to lift no heavy weights."

15%+ bf guys on this thread: get your fat ass on a diet... who cares how big and strong you are if your ass looks like 150 lbs of chewed bubble gum??? Come on, get with the program and clean your sloppy ass diets up.

Thank you, that is all for now.
 
15%+ bf guys on this thread: get your fat ass on a diet... who cares how big and strong you are if your ass looks like 150 lbs of chewed bubble gum??? Come on, get with the program and clean your sloppy ass diets up.

That's all that needs to be said............



Oh, and NJ to get his ass under the squat rack and away from the cardio bunnies....
 
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