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Akahpellah02
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I have heard on other boards people comparing M1T to d-bol, and some people even replacing d-bol with M1T to jumpstart their cycles. Do you guys think M1T is as good as d-bol in ability gain strength and weight?
M1T vs. D-bol...
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Pakelika
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i hope this poll is a joke
wnt2bBeast
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you know what acts like d-bol????
D-bol.....Dont get fooled you want d-bol like gains use some, not what some dumbass supp company wants to sell you
D-bol.....Dont get fooled you want d-bol like gains use some, not what some dumbass supp company wants to sell you
Akahpellah02
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besides the fact that your liver will die would you get good gains off a d-bol/M1T stack?
DJ_UFO
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Some prohormones are closer to real steroids. Unfortunatelly closer in bad side effects and not good effects that for us are strenght, protein synthesis, muscle hyperthrophy. A dose of prohormones use to have the same sides and half the gains. So for the same gains as real steroids you need double prohormone dose; and that means double side effects.
djufo said:
umm. Bro, prohormones have the same effects as steroids when dosed the same, with similar side effects.
The only reason people think they're "weaker" is because with over-the-counter products there's actually a recommended dosage, and it's far below some of the megadoses of illegal AAS seen here.
I guarantee if you megadose OTC prohormones your gains will be on par with illegals.
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Pakelika
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casualbb said:
wow you couldnt be more wrong
Ok, some prohormes are good, other suck balls. That transdermal shit makes me laugh, just inject instead. I've used M1T. I think its a stretch to say is works as good as d-bol. Its good, but not that good. You can see decent results from the M1t off around 20mg a day. No one I know has taken it in large doses, but I'd like to see results from people who've used it upwards of 50mg a day. Occasional, but managable back stiffness was the only side effect I noticed. I put about 40lbs on my bench in two, 2 week cycles.
Ttokkyo Jack
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mg for mg M1T is stronger. There are however some pretty harsh sides, but there are sides for d-bol also. Two totally different compounds
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Akahpellah02 said:
Well, this was posted by Fonz on another thread and I'd have to agree since I'm currently running M1T instead of D-bol as a kickstart.
Posted by Fonz:
Mehtyl-1-testosterone.
Basically the methylated version of 1-testosterone (The AAS quasi Pro-hormone..legal)
Methylating the compound gives it a much higher bioavailibility, than for example a 1-testeosterone capsule.
However, it does have to be processed by the lives, making it similar to 17-aa steroids.
Its closest to Dball in effects. 20-40mgs/day seems to give you very nice pumps(back specially)....which dball is known to do. However, the bonus from M1T is that you don't get the water retention you get from dball.
Now, M1T is obviously NOT as potent as dball mg per mg....but its fairly close AND what i like most, is that it doesn't bloat you or give you a moon face or acne.
Ttokkyo Jack
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I would say that M1T is closest to anadrol. And Juice Authority d-bol is not more potent then M1T mg for mg. I'm not sure if you were making that claim or if it was Fonz? How is the M1T kickstart working for you?
2 Problems with M1T:
1. Makes you nauseous. Therefore taking tums with each dosage is a good idea. It neutralizes the nausea quickly.
2. Makes you lethargic from time to time. ECA or 12.5-25mcgs T3/day takes care of that problem.
Bonuses:
1. M1T is actually a weak progestin...therefore it has some fat burning properties(Like Deca and Fina). If I were to classify M1T I would say it's about the same anabolically and androgenically(Right in the middle between Trenbolone and nandrolone, both progestenic steroids) since I didn't get acne or agressive behavior.
An unforeseen problem:
I personally don't have MPB, BUT:
Since M1T is a progestin and Trenbolone is a progestin, running them both together is not the best of ideas. Also, if you're sensitive to progesterone induced gyno, M1T might excaerbate the problem.
However, if you're not prone to MPB or Progesterone induced Gyno, Tren+M1T will yield better fat loss results than Tren alone. If you're goal is mass......this combo will also yield more muscle mass.
Also, almost forgot. M1T gives you ZERO bloat. Just like Fina.
Then:
The nausea comes with an upset stomach. An acid-neutralizer like calcium carbonate(Tums or whatver brand..they're all the same) neutralizes the acidic reaction in the stomach, and the nausea goes away. Nothing major. Just took me about 4 days to figure out what was causing it.
1-testosterone is an anabolic by itself. When you methylate 1-T, you come up with Methyl-1-testosterone which looks structurally similar to 19-nortestosterone derrivatives and isomers...hence why it's theorized to "have" some WEAK progestenic activity.
By itself, MIT will not cause gyno. I seriously doubt it. But if you combine it with more powerful 19-nortestosterone derrivatives like Trenbolone and Nandrolone, then you can run into problems quickly.
I still have to say this is theory, we're basically in uncharted ground. Doesn't matter what structure an AAS molecule has, its in vivo effects could be drastically different from it's theorized in vitro effects.
1. Makes you nauseous. Therefore taking tums with each dosage is a good idea. It neutralizes the nausea quickly.
2. Makes you lethargic from time to time. ECA or 12.5-25mcgs T3/day takes care of that problem.
Bonuses:
1. M1T is actually a weak progestin...therefore it has some fat burning properties(Like Deca and Fina). If I were to classify M1T I would say it's about the same anabolically and androgenically(Right in the middle between Trenbolone and nandrolone, both progestenic steroids) since I didn't get acne or agressive behavior.
An unforeseen problem:
I personally don't have MPB, BUT:
Since M1T is a progestin and Trenbolone is a progestin, running them both together is not the best of ideas. Also, if you're sensitive to progesterone induced gyno, M1T might excaerbate the problem.
However, if you're not prone to MPB or Progesterone induced Gyno, Tren+M1T will yield better fat loss results than Tren alone. If you're goal is mass......this combo will also yield more muscle mass.
Also, almost forgot. M1T gives you ZERO bloat. Just like Fina.
Then:
The nausea comes with an upset stomach. An acid-neutralizer like calcium carbonate(Tums or whatver brand..they're all the same) neutralizes the acidic reaction in the stomach, and the nausea goes away. Nothing major. Just took me about 4 days to figure out what was causing it.
1-testosterone is an anabolic by itself. When you methylate 1-T, you come up with Methyl-1-testosterone which looks structurally similar to 19-nortestosterone derrivatives and isomers...hence why it's theorized to "have" some WEAK progestenic activity.
By itself, MIT will not cause gyno. I seriously doubt it. But if you combine it with more powerful 19-nortestosterone derrivatives like Trenbolone and Nandrolone, then you can run into problems quickly.
I still have to say this is theory, we're basically in uncharted ground. Doesn't matter what structure an AAS molecule has, its in vivo effects could be drastically different from it's theorized in vitro effects.
Akahpellah02
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damn fonz...
wow, good info
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Juice Authority
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Ttokkyo Jack said:
WTF are you talking about??? Name just one androgen stronger than D-bol mg for mg. Not even halo falls in that category. If you're saying M1T is closest to Anadrol in terms of its potency and M1T is stronger than D-bol then you need to brush up on your AAS pharmacology since D-bol is much stronger than Anadrol mg for mg!!
Akahpellah02
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after doing my research, i have started M1T today...
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Swiftme
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my side effects from using it
my hair was falling out like crazy
and I think my blood pressure was crazy aswell
I mean, when I went to bed everynight it almost felt like my head was bouncing off my pillow, I could hear the heartbeat in my head.
i got good gains though, and i think there was little bloating but all my strength stayed
my hair was falling out like crazy
and I think my blood pressure was crazy aswell
I mean, when I went to bed everynight it almost felt like my head was bouncing off my pillow, I could hear the heartbeat in my head.
i got good gains though, and i think there was little bloating but all my strength stayed
Ttokkyo Jack
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Juice Authority said:
Juice I was not comparing M1T to Anadrol in terms of strength, but I likened it similar to Anadrol for its results and how it feels. Milligram for milligram M1T is also stronger than anadrol. Now as for D-bol being stronger than M1T, you are wrong. 20mg/day of M1T, will give you more in terms of gains than 20mg/day of D-bol. That is from personal experience as well as vida data.
bigjoenutz
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I agree with ttokkyo jack. I've tried both Dbol and M1T (twice each, in fact), and I had better gains from the M1T. To be fair, M1T's side effects were also harsher. Fatigue wasn't much of a problem for me, but high blood pressure was a big issue! I'm talking 150/110! Be careful with M1T, there's no doubt that it's the real deal, both in terms of effectiveness and side effects.
BTW, Twin Labs Blood Pressure Control supplement actually works quite well. I highly recommend that anyone who plans on using M1T should also use the Twin Labs product while "on".
BTW, Twin Labs Blood Pressure Control supplement actually works quite well. I highly recommend that anyone who plans on using M1T should also use the Twin Labs product while "on".
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Ttokkyo Jack said:
Post your data. If I'm wrong, which I highly doubt, I would be more than happy to retract that statement. I'm also on 40mgs ed of M1T right now. It's much more similar to D-bol than Anadrol especially with the back pumps you get from it. It's good stuff but it's not D-bol by a long shot.
B0ARDIN087
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you stack them i dont want to die 
wannabebig1
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Does this stuff make u loose hair if taken by itself.. i have mpb in my family.
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Swiftme
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my shit fell out when using it by itself, my hairline didnt go anywhere I dont think but the shit was falling out
Ttokkyo Jack
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Juice Authority said:
In the latest issue of Muscular Development Bruce Kneller likens M1T to a high dose of Dianobol, implying that mg for mg M1T is stronger, and Bruce definitely knows his stuff
macrophage69alpha
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Ttokkyo Jack said:
the vida data is both outdated and relatively poor indicator of anabolic effect. one need only look at current steroids widely in use to see this clearly.
as a note- very few of these PH individuals have any real experience with gear or thier experience is fairly limited. such comparisons are "paper" and based on assays, like levator ani, which are flawed predictors.
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manaroundthehouse
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For those of us who cant use illegal drugs for various reasons, this is valuable information. Its obvious from this thread that information is not clear on this stuff.
The first question I have about M1T is:
Will running M1T only, result in a positive drug test??
Thanks for the input
The first question I have about M1T is:
Will running M1T only, result in a positive drug test??
Thanks for the input
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RaZor Ramon
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manaroundthehouse said:
You betcha.
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SlimJim300
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M1T is 5-alpha reduced dianabol. More androgenic, unable to aromitize.
I don't understand why everyone is so paranoid about stacking the two together. 20mg of dbol is no big deal. 20mg of M1T is no big deal. Why not take advantage of the unique properties of both at 10mg each -- 20mg total. There will be no additional strain on the liver, I assure you.
I don't understand why everyone is so paranoid about stacking the two together. 20mg of dbol is no big deal. 20mg of M1T is no big deal. Why not take advantage of the unique properties of both at 10mg each -- 20mg total. There will be no additional strain on the liver, I assure you.
To go off of chemical structure (2d, nonetheless) alone, then saying that 'M1T' is similar to '1T' is just like saying equipoise is similar to dbol, testosterone similar to methyl test, etc...
The 'just a methyl group' gives a drug its own identity, picture, and social.
I'm not sure how frequently 17-alpha methylated primobolan is encountered.. but my money is on it to win 1st place in the M1T impersonation contest.
Andy
The 'just a methyl group' gives a drug its own identity, picture, and social.
I'm not sure how frequently 17-alpha methylated primobolan is encountered.. but my money is on it to win 1st place in the M1T impersonation contest.
Andy
Jollyrogers_cookin
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SlimJim300 said:
Alright who is signing up to be the guinea pig?
hateschool
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this has to be the dumbest post i have ever seen in my life!!
Flushed $250 dollars worth of m1t down the toilet, literally. Thought it was great at first, then realized, is this really worth it?? A few pounds of bloated muscle, and painful ridiculously silly looking pumps from just grappling or jumping rope. Being tired, being slow, acne, nuts shrinking, etc etc etc. No wonder the crap is $10 a bottle, why not just stick an air hose up your ass and try to blow up your muscles that way, it's probably healthier for you. Just not worth it for me, if I wish to lift weights, which I have stopped because it only hurts my mma training, I don't need this stuff that is ultimately shutting me down and killing my internal organs. I will chalk up m1t with my other previous prohormone usage, and call it a bout of temporary insanity or stupidity. Now I am doing what I can to get my body back to a natural state (no supplements) and do some real training. If any of you are still taking this crap, do yourself, and your body a favor and get rid of this poison.
Cheers
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love 2 lift
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I used UG Labs M1t. I used it for 3 weeks on 2 off 3 weeks on. I use it now for a jump start on my cycles.
Never had any hair falling out, but I have been tired on it adding some test really helped a lot.
Never had any hair falling out, but I have been tired on it adding some test really helped a lot.
aahh ...finaly some one who isnt a anti m1t and nows what there talking aboutlanky said:
what kind of steroid would you comare m1t with and youre view on it if you dont mind LANKY oh and keep it simpil(ish) as I read some of youre post and they go strait over my stoned head
cheers
lanky
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huh..its hard to compare it to another steroid but similar in structure of primo. This particular steroid has a double bond in the first position(in general this decreases steric hindrance on the A ring thus in theory will increase anabolic properties(receptor stickyness). the double bond also in some theory will make it harder to "deactivate" the steroid, thus making it stay at the target tissue longer(androgen receptor). the 17 alpha methyl will basicly make it harder to deactivate as well. basicly M1T is a strong anablolic based on its receptor stickyness and its ability not to be deactivated by the body easily(ultra stable).
as far as the side effects people report with lethargy of this substance, will happen with most extreemely anabolic substances, and a sudden"change" in hormonal levels.
as far as hair loss with these types of substances. basicly if you are prone or balding it will speed up with anabolic use. A sudden shed is common with any non estrogenic property substance used because the hair growth cycle is mediated by estrogen as well.(take ergopharms 6 oxo and give me a description of the texture of your scalp tissue, shedding, oil production before and after. sometimes its not the substance but by the decrease in estrogen, estradiol(etc). I typed this really fast and believe me i could go further into detail and i appologise if it was not more i depth.
one of my favorite prosterid of the time was 17 alpha methyl dht made by serious nutrition solutions. did not cause massive shedding for some reason, I felt like i was 16 again in the libido department. back was very oilly, no acne, decreased my excessive sweating. i was doing plyometric training at the time and sprinting. WOW, i was explosive. my urine smelled like asparagus and tuna though (yuck)
i know some people will nitpick on my posting here because i did not back up all my theroise bt its late and i havent slepyt in 43 hours, and i need to eat a grilled cheese because i have to be up in 5 hours to go to my clinical rotation at the hospital. my perfect steroid is 7 alpha methyl 19 nortestosterone, estrogenic effects(not always a bad thing, i explain that theory latter, strong androgen as well, the problem is with delivery, expect a permeation enhansed trandermal delivery in the newxt 6 years
as far as the side effects people report with lethargy of this substance, will happen with most extreemely anabolic substances, and a sudden"change" in hormonal levels.
as far as hair loss with these types of substances. basicly if you are prone or balding it will speed up with anabolic use. A sudden shed is common with any non estrogenic property substance used because the hair growth cycle is mediated by estrogen as well.(take ergopharms 6 oxo and give me a description of the texture of your scalp tissue, shedding, oil production before and after. sometimes its not the substance but by the decrease in estrogen, estradiol(etc). I typed this really fast and believe me i could go further into detail and i appologise if it was not more i depth.
one of my favorite prosterid of the time was 17 alpha methyl dht made by serious nutrition solutions. did not cause massive shedding for some reason, I felt like i was 16 again in the libido department. back was very oilly, no acne, decreased my excessive sweating. i was doing plyometric training at the time and sprinting. WOW, i was explosive. my urine smelled like asparagus and tuna though (yuck)
i know some people will nitpick on my posting here because i did not back up all my theroise bt its late and i havent slepyt in 43 hours, and i need to eat a grilled cheese because i have to be up in 5 hours to go to my clinical rotation at the hospital. my perfect steroid is 7 alpha methyl 19 nortestosterone, estrogenic effects(not always a bad thing, i explain that theory latter, strong androgen as well, the problem is with delivery, expect a permeation enhansed trandermal delivery in the newxt 6 years
Well im currently approx. 3/4 through an M1T cycle, and i must say im quite impressed, i havnt tried D-bol so i cannot really compare what would be better although there are totally differant supps. gains have been huge but there have been some side effects.
I have gainged a total of 10 lbs (165-175)
My dumbell bench has gained 15 lbs (80-95)
barbell bench gainged 45 lbs (160-205)
plus some other huge gaings, this is only a month and a bit into it...
side effects experianced, slight lethargy, extreme irritability, extreme aggressivness, slight backny (shoulder area)
I have gainged a total of 10 lbs (165-175)
My dumbell bench has gained 15 lbs (80-95)
barbell bench gainged 45 lbs (160-205)
plus some other huge gaings, this is only a month and a bit into it...
side effects experianced, slight lethargy, extreme irritability, extreme aggressivness, slight backny (shoulder area)
YoungIntricateMuscle
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d-bol and m1t supplement gains????...........if they sold d-bol at a GNC they as might as well sold victoria secret bras and bikini patches to make your penis look bigger
buttbeater
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you can get this stuff at gnc????????? does anyone use pct after using it, or is it needed? one of my buddies far away told me he was using, but at the time i had never heard of it so i didn't ask any questions. i thought he was telling me that he gained all of his weight using it to hide his steroid use in the past.
sardonicone
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buttbeater said:
This stuff has been illegal for over 2 years now.
sardonicone
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gjohnson5 said:
*sigh* see that's the stuff I need, because needles scare the piss out of me.
Litterally. I walked in the door tonight and this fucking needle was hiding behind the door and it shouted "BOO'.
I fucking lost all control of my urinary functions.
chilledandy
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DO NOT EVEN CONSIDER TAKING M1T!!
Dbol is superior in almost every way. M1T is incredibly toxic and the gains are significantly less when compared to dbol.
Dbol has been around in one form or another for ovr 70 years so you know what your getting when you take it. M1T was around for about 2 years and is a completely unknown. It is not worth even considering taking M1T under any circumstances.
Dbol is superior in almost every way. M1T is incredibly toxic and the gains are significantly less when compared to dbol.
Dbol has been around in one form or another for ovr 70 years so you know what your getting when you take it. M1T was around for about 2 years and is a completely unknown. It is not worth even considering taking M1T under any circumstances.
M1t is not like Anadrol 50....I've taken both...Anadrol 50 is better, in my opinion!
I'd say D-Bol is a lot better than M1t....
As for pro-hormones and steroids and the sifference between them , I dont believe in that shit either...
I'd say D-Bol is a lot better than M1t....
As for pro-hormones and steroids and the sifference between them , I dont believe in that shit either...
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ALIN
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I'd go with the DBOL. Much less sides.
M1T is strong and works but you have to
be careful with sides and dosages.
Having cycled both over the years, M1T is much more dramatic... although I have experienced nose bleeds while on it. Due to the increasing difficulty to procure REAL M1T online, I would say Dianabol MIGHT be a better choice if you have a trusted supplier. I always buy powders in raw form and cap my own 50mg each, which yields Dbol vastly less expensive than M1T since finding it in bulk is a rarity.
M1T doesnt work for everyone...
Superdrol does not work for everyone..
Dbol works for everyone (no non responders)..
Dbol has less sides than M1T...
Therefore, I choose dbol..
Superdrol does not work for everyone..
Dbol works for everyone (no non responders)..
Dbol has less sides than M1T...
Therefore, I choose dbol..
Lancer55
Elite Greek
This
This is my ultimate conclusion, well said. Dbol might not be as fast acting or dramatic in my experience, but at 100mg/day is gets the job done. The site I got M1T from supposedly just stopped their availability, so I'll be holding onto my final three bottles until I prep for my contests in 2011 (kick start). Although... it is a good off season adjunct. Hmmm, DECISIONS!
satanismymotor
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M1T is pretty much the greatest thing ever made.
If i were to choose orals to take for strength only, it would go a little something like this.
1. M1T
2. Dbol
3. A bombs (gained tons of weight [13 lbs in 6 days] but kills appetite)
4. Superdrol
oh what I wouldn't give for some M1T to start a cycle. I would just throw away all my anadrol and dbol. I wouldn't need it.
If i were to choose orals to take for strength only, it would go a little something like this.
1. M1T
2. Dbol
3. A bombs (gained tons of weight [13 lbs in 6 days] but kills appetite)
4. Superdrol
oh what I wouldn't give for some M1T to start a cycle. I would just throw away all my anadrol and dbol. I wouldn't need it.
Again, all a matter of opinion..
I know guys that took legit M1T, with diet and training in check that made 0 gains, but received all the sides..
satanismymotor
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agreed. I also knew someone that took it back in the day and gained nothing. Other than back pumps i felt great when I was on it. I have a special place in heart for m1t...or is that just an enlarged heart? jk
satanismymotor
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oops.. double post.
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MC Fishkilla
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Currently on an M1T/dbol cycle 20/30 everyday.....This is day 10, gained 5 pounds on 3 meals a day of meat and potatoes and 3/4 gal milk too. No sides yet, but i am not prone to them....taking the M1T an hour before workout is great for extra aggression. The M1T feels just like when I was on Beastdrol.
It is the dbol that gives aggression..
OUCH, my liver and lower back!
Haha, keep us updated on how it works out for you.
MC Fishkilla
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Day 14 of Dbol/M1T 30/20mgs ed......up 8 pounds, doesnt seem to be from "bloating"....bench is up 20 lbs on my 5x5 lifts...no back pain, pumps are moderate, no gyno, no acne, no hairloss.....I think the M1T is kind of muting the "overall well being" feeling that dbol usually gives. I'll have a liver panel run when cycle ends (2 more weeks) and post the results...Here's the thing about "wrecking" your liver on orals.....once the cycle is over and you use proper pct after (i also use unleashed and milk thistle during) you're going to be alright. I have used orals on and off for 20 years and have many fighting/weight lifting buddies that have also and I have read these kinds of forums and the old "bulletin boards". I have never heard or known anyone to trash their liver or kidneys using orals, at least not at the dosage i'm taking.....the only guys i know that had serious liver concerns while on orals were also on another favorite oral - Jack Daniels, etc. Now I'm not a doctor, but I have watched every epsisode of HOUSE and ran a freelance gynocology lab from the back seat of my '77 Monte Carlo.....so take this for what it's worth.....absolutely nothing, just my experience
Day 14 of Dbol/M1T 30/20mgs ed......up 8 pounds, doesnt seem to be from "bloating"....bench is up 20 lbs on my 5x5 lifts...no back pain, pumps are moderate, no gyno, no acne, no hairloss.....I think the M1T is kind of muting the "overall well being" feeling that dbol usually gives. I'll have a liver panel run when cycle ends (2 more weeks) and post the results...Here's the thing about "wrecking" your liver on orals.....once the cycle is over and you use proper pct after (i also use unleashed and milk thistle during) you're going to be alright. I have used orals on and off for 20 years and have many fighting/weight lifting buddies that have also and I have read these kinds of forums and the old "bulletin boards". I have never heard or known anyone to trash their liver or kidneys using orals, at least not at the dosage i'm taking.....the only guys i know that had serious liver concerns while on orals were also on another favorite oral - Jack Daniels, etc. Now I'm not a doctor, but I have watched every epsisode of HOUSE and ran a freelance gynocology lab from the back seat of my '77 Monte Carlo.....so take this for what it's worth.....absolutely nothing, just my experience
Good points - and congrats on your back seat medical adventures!
I am also a believer in the philosophy that you spelled out. I take liver protectants while on cycle and throughout the entire PCT; so I believe I am doubly protected. I have yet to try Need 2 Guard yet, but it will invariably be a staple in my next cycle(s) into the future!
reading through the first page of this thread is pretty funny, and sad.
anyhow, my opinion on the subject, obviously m1t is stronger than dbol. if you think otherwise, well, that sucks. but as far as user friendly goes, obviously dbol is going to be it.
so, it's going to come down to, what are you willing to put up with?
anyhow, my opinion on the subject, obviously m1t is stronger than dbol. if you think otherwise, well, that sucks. but as far as user friendly goes, obviously dbol is going to be it.
so, it's going to come down to, what are you willing to put up with?
Lol, read whole thread so you can see my input..
Not everybody responds to M1T, legit M1T.. I see a bunch of logs where they gain 0-a few lbs but get all the sides of M1T..
Lancer55
Elite Greek
this ^^^^
Estrogen in milk effecting anyone is a myth..
If it were true, everyone drinking lots of milk should be a jacked mother fucker.
MC Fishkilla
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Day 22 of dbol/M1T 30/20mg everyday.....up 10 pounds, no bloat....no sides......military press is up 25 lbs ...have completely pussied out doing squat and dead lifts - blaming minor glute and calf strains...will try to "grow a pair" and finish this last week with a true 5x5 program.....i like this cycle but will run Helladrol/Tren-E oral 75/30mg everyday for 30 days in two months.....so far, my favorite oral is Beastdrol but will try Helladrol.
bren565
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m1t...
arnold..
wrestlers...
hulk hogan..
all those guys int he seventies, it WAS DBOL...
dbol been around for decades, m1t experiemental bs....
plus it has to convert never choose a convert over an active
day 1 shit rook...
bren565
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Legal Steroids
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New to the board, not new to the sport. I been out of the loop a while and damn alot has changed lol. I was browsing over all the posts and all the new products available and I bet some get underestimated because they are easily obtained or even otc. I remember years ago I wouldn't even give prohormones the time of day lol and today they are sought after!! I remember when I could get 2oo ephedrine hcl tablets for $1.98 by a company called usa marketing lol. My point, I've already been dabbling with designer products or "clones".......some of the stuff is awesome!!! I'm pretty good at gauging results and I am impressed as all hell with some of the stuff out there. Seems like side effects come with the territiory of these new products. Eventually it'll get tweeked and side effects will be minimal.
m1t...
arnold..
wrestlers...
hulk hogan..
all those guys int he seventies, it WAS DBOL...
dbol been around for decades, m1t experiemental bs....
plus it has to convert never choose a convert over an active
Have you ever cycled M1T to arrive at your conclusions?
I'm also curious why you would actually favor an old compound over something new and equally as proven, even if not as ubiquitously used; and 'new' is highly relative where M1T is concerned since it has been around for a LONG time.
Using late 80's wrestlers as your golden standard also might not be the most expeditious route to solidifying your argument.
I would still stick with dbol IMO
ghettostudmuffin
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M1T is crap imo.
Sky rocketed my blood pressure and I felt lethargic on it plus I got the back pumps.
Dbol. Let's see.
Big strength gains? Check.
Blew up in size over the course of 3-4 weeks? Check.
Sides? Mildy elevated blood pressure, but I used to use way the fuck too much sodium in my diet. Back pumps were bad on squats and deadlifts, but the gains were worth it. Taurine helps. Pretty much just low back pumps.
Real dbol is awesome shit. I'd be perfectly content with an unlimited supply of test and dbol only.
Sky rocketed my blood pressure and I felt lethargic on it plus I got the back pumps.
Dbol. Let's see.
Big strength gains? Check.
Blew up in size over the course of 3-4 weeks? Check.
Sides? Mildy elevated blood pressure, but I used to use way the fuck too much sodium in my diet. Back pumps were bad on squats and deadlifts, but the gains were worth it. Taurine helps. Pretty much just low back pumps.
Real dbol is awesome shit. I'd be perfectly content with an unlimited supply of test and dbol only.
I hear what you're saying, and have also enjoyed Methandro as well in the past, but compared to my cycles with M1T is just doesn't hold a candle (in MY experiences). Side effects? Yeah, of course; but most of those can be minimized or mitigated with reduction of diet-based sodium and the inclusion of herbal remedies or something like Need 2 Guard. Since I have yet to feel lethargy to an extent that kept me glued in bed, I would rather suffer a few low points, knowing I'll bounce back post cycle, than take in a lesser compound that also carries nearly similar side-effects.
Lol .. Nice Side Effects ... I Want to Stay Away ... from M1T .... I Wont to be Hairless .. Ugly ...
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