Low Test - what to do?

[d baller]

I've had a strong hunch for the past few years that my testosterone levels were low. I finally asked my doctor to run a testosterone test at my yearly checkup. Just got the results. I was right, my testosterone is very low - 268 ng/dL. Unfortunately, they didn't test for free testosterone, estrogen, prolactin, SHBG, etc., etc. Just Serum testosterone. Lab work was conducted by LabCorp, which states that normal range is 280 - 800 ng/dL.

I'm 37 yo, 6'0", 188 lbs, 12% BF. All other blood work was perfect.

I've only done one steroid cycle in my life. When I was 25 yo I did 10 weeks of eq 300 mg and primo depot 300 mg e/w. At the time I didn't know shit about juice and didn't take hcg during and did no PCT. Was told that this wouldn't fuck with my natural testosterone level. Needless to say, I didn't benefit much from the cyle. I blew up the first 5 weeks, then gains started to plateau and even diminish - probably because my natural test shut down.

I also took Propecia from age 25 - 30. My libido was non existent for most of my late 20's. Then one day I ran out of Propecia and my sex drive came back after being off for about 2 weeks. I took ZMA and it really came back. I felt like a new man. I've dabbled with otc testosterone boosters over the last few years, but nothing has brought me back. I used to be a horny motherf*cker.

Been on the forums for the last few weeks trying to educate myself. Read about Unleashed and decided to try it. I'm 2 weeks into a cycle of Unleashed. Not feeling much change.

My question is - Is it too late to revive my testes and get my test back into normal range?

Any advice would be greatly appreciated.

 

[Bawstin]

I wouldn't say that your test levels are VERY low, you're close to the normal range. I seriously doubt that your natural test levels have anything to do with the cycle you ran 10 years ago though. My guess is that you just have a lower than average test level naturally. I'm on the lower side of normal myself and it just is what it is, no big deal. Did you ask your Doc about HRT? Most Docs will give it to you if you're 40 (I know you're not, but you're close) and have a low sex drive. You're much better off getting a prescription than dabbling with OTC test booster crap.

 

[RADAR]

well i have neve quite had a question like this before, If ZMA worked before then i would run it along with these sustain,unleashed,bulgarian tribulus,DHEA,a muli vitamin/mineral ,several factors come into play here,stress maybe you're trying to hard,hi BP and medicine (this includes steroids-the length ran and dosage amount.)(these compounds are noritorious for this,NNP, Deca,Tren,mildly suppressive, Anavar)


In the meantime there are alternatives Herbal remedies,or the good old tried Viagria or cialis.

I hope this has been of some help.
RADAR

 

[lookinfit75]

I don't think he's talking about not being able to get it up though. He's talking about not wanting to have sex which could be psychological or hormonal.

 

[RADAR]

I don't think he's talking about not being able to get it up though. He's talking about not wanting to have sex which could be psychological or hormonal.

I read and realized that.alot of things come into play here, the compounds i suggested may help,then they may only play a small part,but i have read that a cocktail of vitamins and ZMA along with others might help. sure wouldn't hurt.


Peace
RADAR

 

[d baller]

I wouldn't say that your test levels are VERY low, you're close to the normal range. I seriously doubt that your natural test levels have anything to do with the cycle you ran 10 years ago though. My guess is that you just have a lower than average test level naturally. I'm on the lower side of normal myself and it just is what it is, no big deal. Did you ask your Doc about HRT? Most Docs will give it to you if you're 40 (I know you're not, but you're close) and have a low sex drive. You're much better off getting a prescription than dabbling with OTC test booster crap.

Thanks for the words of encouragement. My general practicioner wasn't very concerned. He basically said the same thing you said. I'm not tired or depressed, but I'm having a hard time putting on muscle and keeping it once it's on, but I guess I've always been that way. My biggest concern is my low libido.

I made an appointment to see a urologist in 2 weeks. Let's see what he says.

 

[d baller]

I read and realized that.alot of things come into play here, the compounds i suggested may help,then they may only play a small part,but i have read that a cocktail of vitamins and ZMA along with others might help. sure wouldn't hurt.


Peace
RADAR

Thanks for your reply. Yeah, no problem getting it up, just don't have the desire too often. I will try the ZMA again with Unleashed and maybe add Sustain.

I have an appointment with a urologist in 2 weeks. Let you know what he says.

 

[RADAR]

Good luck and please keep us updated.

RADAR

 

[d baller]

Good luck and please keep us updated.

RADAR

Given my situation, do you think that a Test only cycle with HCG throughout and a good PCT could raise my natural test level permanently post cycle, or is it more likely that it would lower my natural test level further once I stabilize a couple months post cycle?

 

[lookinfit75]

Just from what I've read all that can be made is an educated guess mind you but I'd say (by your own addmition) that you've always been on the low side so just wait till you talk to your urologist before you go messing with juice. All a test cycle will do is supress your already supressed state and that will not fix anything, right? The HCG is cool I guess although I am not going to tell you out right to run a PCT cycle and that's it. Who knows, it might help...
I'd suggest you wait for your doc.

 

[RADAR]

^^^^^ Solid advice


RADAR

 

[d baller]

I agree. I'll wait.

 

[DJ_UFO]

Yeah like others said, if you have the opportunity to get more blood tests done with a specialist, do so. Wait and see what they say. However, from the number you posted, I can tell you that your total test levels are VERY low. How you feel, depends on free test, and from person to person. However, what doctors call "normal range" is bullshit. 280-800, is almost the same as saying 1-1000, being 1, a non existent hormonal system, and 1000, the highest a human being can possibly naturally be. As a reference, I can tell you that 50 years ago, the average total test levels of a healthy adult male, were around 700 ng/dl. Today, is around 400, because the specie is being degenerated at a higher rate. So what doctors do over time?, they say "ok, test levels are lower now, so let's lower the bottom range". However, not because you are in the "normal" range, you'll feel great. The opposite, you can feel like crap. Doctors will prescribe you anti-depressants, and more bullshit that keep degrading your genes generation after generation, while the health industry makes billions and billions.

Talk to your doctor about the possibility of TRT. At the same time, I would follow RADAR's advise, of using supplements to try to increase your levels naturally. Educate yourself, learn to listen and understand your carbon unit.

 

[lookinfit75]

Yeah like others said, if you have the opportunity to get more blood tests done with a specialist, do so. Wait and see what they say. However, from the number you posted, I can tell you that your total test levels are VERY low. How you feel, depends on free test, and from person to person. However, what doctors call "normal range" is bullshit. 280-800, is almost the same as saying 1-1000, being 1, a non existent hormonal system, and 1000, the highest a human being can possibly naturally be. As a reference, I can tell you that 50 years ago, the average total test levels of a healthy adult male, were around 700 ng/dl. Today, is around 400, because the specie is being degenerated at a higher rate. So what doctors do over time?, they say "ok, test levels are lower now, so let's lower the bottom range". However, not because you are in the "normal" range, you'll feel great. The opposite, you can feel like crap. Doctors will prescribe you anti-depressants, and more bullshit that keep degrading your genes generation after generation, while the health industry makes billions and billions.

Talk to your doctor about the possibility of TRT. At the same time, I would follow RADAR's advise, of using supplements to try to increase your levels naturally. Educate yourself, learn to listen and understand your carbon unit.

DJ_UFO is a baaad mammer jammer! Radar speaks the truth!

 

[lookinfit75]

Another "home" rememdy that is used is South America for libido issues is a tea from an herb called Yerba Mate. I like the way the stuff tastes so I drink it fairly regularly but besides the nice taste, it's supposed to help issues with the issue of deficiecy of arousal. You can pick the stuff up at any GNC and also look into horny goat weed. That stuff is supposed to make you more easily excitable. I swear by Alpha Sustain. Best shit ever invented in my book.

 

[d baller]

Another "home" rememdy that is used is South America for libido issues is a tea from an herb called Yerba Mate. I like the way the stuff tastes so I drink it fairly regularly but besides the nice taste, it's supposed to help issues with the issue of deficiecy of arousal. You can pick the stuff up at any GNC and also look into horny goat weed. That stuff is supposed to make you more easily excitable. I swear by Alpha Sustain. Best shit ever invented in my book.

I ordered PP TRS last night. Should be here in a couple of days. I also just picked up a bottle of ZMA from GNC. Will start that tonight. I think the Unleashed is starting to work. I had sex with my wife two days in a row now.

 

[lookinfit75]

I ordered PP TRS last night. Should be here in a couple of days. I also just picked up a bottle of ZMA from GNC. Will start that tonight. I think the Unleashed is starting to work. I had sex with my wife two days in a row now.

AWESOME BRO! Wait till you get your hands on Sustain. Nookie might become a nightly affair for y'all haha.

 

[d baller]

UPDATE: I've been taking Unleashed for 2 weeks now and ZMA for the last 5 nights. I've experienced a slight increase in libido and slightly stronger erections, but nothing extraordinary.

Just received my PP TRS on Saturday, but I decided to start everything on Monday morning. Then yesterday (Sunday) I decided to start the Toco in order to prime up the boys for the entire stack. So I took one dose of Toco yesterday afternoon. I'm not sure if this is a coincidence or this shit really works, but I had a nocturnal emission (wet dream) like no other! That was at about 2:30AM. Then I woke up at 8AM with full wood!! I can't remember the last time I had one of those.

I've decided not to start the Sustain or the Endo-Amp until I get a good read on the Toco. I'm feeling very optimistic though.

Keep you posted.

 

[d baller]

UPDATE: I've been taking the PP TRS for the last 9 days, ZMA for the past 14 days, and Unleashed for the past 24 days. My libido is much better. I'm busting about 1 nut every other day, which is a big improvement for me. My ejaculate has more volume also. I feel a little stronger in the gym and have put on about 4 pounds in the last month.

An interesting thing I'll highlight from my experience, I took Sat and Sunday off as recommended, and when I started taking the TRS on Monday again, I felt like I was high all day. Was extremely horny, had a sick workout, was in a great mood.

So now I gotta stop my PCT. I went to the Urologist today and brought all my supps with me. He advised me to stop taking everything, clean out my system, and go get blood work done in about a week and a half. He said my testes are normal size that my low testosterone might be from elevate prolactin which could be a pituitary issue.

I'll post again soon.

 

[RADAR]

Great to hear,alot of people fail to realize that complicated things aren't so complicated once you get going in the right direction.

RADAR

 

[nangiggles]

How is it going? which combination of things from the ones you were taking did you any good?

 

[d baller]

UPDATE

I got my bloodwork done a week after discontinuing the use of TRS, Unleashed and ZMA. My total test actually came back lower than before I started the stack. I think this is probably due to a crash from coming off of everything so abrubptly, as per my doctor's instructions. I actually think that my test was elvated by this PCT type therapy because I felt good, definitely had a stronger libido and had more ejaculatory volume. Now two weeks and 2 days since I came off of everything, I would bet my test has settled at a level a bit higher than my original bloods.

Anyhow, my thyroid was normal, Prolactin and Estradiol were normal, FSH and LH were low. Since FSH, LH, and Test were low my doctor prescribed Clomid 50mg ED for 6 weeks to try to stimulate my hypothalmus and pituitary. I'm keeping my fingers crossed.

I wish I could had stayed on the PCT stack a little longer, I was really feeling like it was working. I put on weight, felt fuller, and was stronger in the gym.

I just took my first dose of Clomid. I'll check back in about a week to let you know how it goes.