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Low Test Levels From Bloodwork!!!

nuthnbutfords

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I just got my test levels checked, and my level was 169. I only used
10,000 iu's(spread over 2 weeks) of HCG+ Clomid after my last cycle-1.5grams-11 weeks. It has been around 2.5 months since the PCT has been completed. This concerns me ALOT as i'm only 23 years old.

Here is what someone else has suggested, let me know what you think.

Weeks 1-3: 500ius HCG EOD
Weeks 4-8: 300ius HCG EOD
Weeks 1-18: 20mgs of nolva ED
Weeks 9-18: 100mgs clomid ED

Any input would be greatly appreciated.
 
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Just became a Platinum Member, so I could search. Here is what I found, let me know what you guys think.



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"Is your Testosterone SHUT DOWN? FIX IT!"


First of all the #1 side of AAS use in men is a VERY shitty lipid profile with a very poor Hdl to total cholesterol ratio

.....that said there are some users that do not seem to be able to recover their natural test production. This is usually a result of being "on" too long at one time or not staying off long enough between cycles to allow for full recovery..... but it can happen occasionally to anyone.
The main reason why recovery is slow is usually because the testes have shrunk and are having a hard time responding to LH. So if you insist on doing cycles over 8 weeks long and do not take an equal time off then be damn sure to use HCG 300-500iu's per day while on or at least for a couple weeks mid cycle and the last two weeks of a cycle. This will prevent testes shrinkage.

BTW the mild androgen nandrolone affects one the worst in this regard let me lake that perfectly clear, although any androgen can cause a problem.

HOW TO FIX THE PROBLEM.

#1 get a total testosterone test done to be sure it is indeed a test problem. If your value is less than 300 then you have a case.

#2. take 2500 iu's of HCG every 4th day. Inject either sub Q or IM. Best place is in the belly fat sub Q. Continue for 32 days.

#3.Also do 50mg of clomid twice per day with food(helps absorbtion) Also include10mg of nolvadex per day. Do all the above for 32 days.

Then wait two weeks and get your test level checked again.

If that doesn't work then double the dose of HCG for 4 injections every 4th day. Than do 2500 iu's for 4 shots ..one every 4th day.
Do clomid and nolva throughout as above. Two weeks after finishing get the test checked again.

Good Luck
 
the above looks good except run the nolva/clomid about 2 weeks past the hcg, run an ai like a-dex while on the hcg and tper if of it through the remaining nolva/clomid, up the nolva to 40mg once the hcg is done aswell. hope this helps.

^^^^ for anyone else.
 
I once tried to adjust my test for some bloodwork being done in hope of getting some prescription testosterone. I did d-bol at 25mg daily for 3 weeks until about 5 days prior to the test. I know some might think it was dumb.... so do I. It didn't work. For some reason my test levels were normal, except my chloestorel levelswhich were high and that led to a shit load more blood tests.
 
HCG should not be taken for more than four weeks at a time, or you risk your own body's gonadotrophin production stopping for good, and that would be very bad. HCG kicks hard within hours of injection, then has a second kick the fourth day. For that reason, you should inject every fifth day, 2500iu is the smart dosage.

Since your count is so low, I would suggest that you do not take Clomid with the HCG, rather one at a time since the first round you tried didn't help at all. I would do two seperate and independant four week cycles of each drug, meaning HCG, Clomid, HCG, Clomid. The dosage on Clomid should be 50 mg a day. Wait one month after coming off your recovery attempt and retest to see outcome. Make sure to take Nolvadex with the HCG.
 
ok it looks like you figured out you just need to run another PCT ... you probably ran the other one too soon while long esters were still in your system. its not rocket science so run the brand of PCT you like, but I suspect a 6-8 week PCT run would be plenty .. also i like an anti-a included in my PCT but at your age it might be overkill. the basic premise here is to get your balls working quickly (hcg), then stimulate the HPTA by minmizing the estrogen signal recieved at the hypothalamus (SERMs, anti-a's). HCG w/nolva, followed by nolva/clomid. I think 20mg/d nolva, 50mg/d clomid is PLENTY. naturally you are concerned about restoring function thus you want higher doses but time is your ally, not overdose
 
I heard that injecting more than 500iu per day can cause permanent damage. Make sure you know what you are doing. I know people do all the time but I read this in some study recently so look into it.
 
cyrex said:
1.5g/week on your cycle and you are 23? . . . wowsa
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Hey, what can I say. I started when I was 18. A lot of people do, they just won't admit it. I will say that I have definitely learned my lesson, and will take PCT VERY SERIOUS in the future. I usually did a little hcg/clomid, but never fully thought it out.

Thanks for all the input bros.
 
Ok, first try to answer these so we can help you:

1) What did your cycle consist of?
2) How many cycles have you done, and of what?
3) How did you carry out your PCT regimen (doses, timing, etc?)

I am around the same age as you are, and actually completed an 8-month cycle not too long ago (about 4-5 months moderate doses of Test, Dbol, Tren... the rest was a test bridge). I did the following PCT regimen:

2 weeks prior to last enanth jab: 1500iu HCG E4D, 3 shots total; 0.5mg a-dex EOD

2 weeks AFTER last enanth jab:
Day 1 200mg Clomid/60mg Nolv
Day 2-12 100mg Clomid/40mg nolv
Day 13-21 50m Clomid/40mg nolv
Day 22-50 20mg nolv

Herbals: 500mg tribulus, 500mg maca, 500mg avena sativa, muira puama, saw palmetto (all daily for 6 weeks)

My free test levels were within range, and total test was 417 ng/dl, which is also within range (though not the greatest, still good for after 8 month shutdown). At your age you shouldn't have been kept shutdown 2 1/2 months after PCT, unless something was wrong with PCT, or you had severe estrogen rebound. If you answer some of the questions above I'm sure some of the guys here can add a little more input bro.
 
Nighthawkk said:
Ok, first try to answer these so we can help you:

1) What did your cycle consist of?
2) How many cycles have you done, and of what?
3) How did you carry out your PCT regimen (doses, timing, etc?)

I am around the same age as you are, and actually completed an 8-month cycle not too long ago (about 4-5 months moderate doses of Test, Dbol, Tren... the rest was a test bridge). I did the following PCT regimen:

2 weeks prior to last enanth jab: 1500iu HCG E4D, 3 shots total; 0.5mg a-dex EOD

2 weeks AFTER last enanth jab:
Day 1 200mg Clomid/60mg Nolv
Day 2-12 100mg Clomid/40mg nolv
Day 13-21 50m Clomid/40mg nolv
Day 22-50 20mg nolv

Herbals: 500mg tribulus, 500mg maca, 500mg avena sativa, muira puama, saw palmetto (all daily for 6 weeks)

My free test levels were within range, and total test was 417 ng/dl, which is also within range (though not the greatest, still good for after 8 month shutdown). At your age you shouldn't have been kept shutdown 2 1/2 months after PCT, unless something was wrong with PCT, or you had severe estrogen rebound. If you answer some of the questions above I'm sure some of the guys here can add a little more input bro.
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1) What did your cycle consist of?
2) How many cycles have you done, and of what?
3) How did you carry out your PCT regimen (doses, timing, etc?)



1- Sust 250-800mg/wk-11weeks
EQ........-600mg/wk-11weeks
Dbol...... -40mg/day for 30 days(days 1-30)
Proviron...4 weeks
Arom.......14weeks

2- Done probably 6-8cycles...usually short..this one was longest ever
Mainly test/deca/winny...very few orals

3. Pct was timed at 3 weeks after last sust/EQ inject. Timing could have been off. I used 10,000 iu's of hcg spread over 2 weeks. 50mg clomid/day for a month.

4. I either didn't time or use the HCG properly, or not enough spread say over 3 weeks. I also should have added Nolv,Aromas. I really should have thought the pct out alot more, and I guess I get what I deserve. I know i messed up, and just want to address the problem, and fix it. Thats all. I have learned from my mistake.
 
nuthnbutfords said:
1) What did your cycle consist of?
2) How many cycles have you done, and of what?
3) How did you carry out your PCT regimen (doses, timing, etc?)



1- Sust 250-800mg/wk-11weeks
EQ........-600mg/wk-11weeks
Dbol...... -40mg/day for 30 days(days 1-30)
Proviron...4 weeks
Arom.......14weeks

2- Done probably 6-8cycles...usually short..this one was longest ever
Mainly test/deca/winny...very few orals

3. Pct was timed at 3 weeks after last sust/EQ inject. Timing could have been off. I used 10,000 iu's of hcg spread over 2 weeks. 50mg clomid/day for a month.

4. I either didn't time or use the HCG properly, or not enough spread say over 3 weeks. I also should have added Nolv,Aromas. I really should have thought the pct out alot more, and I guess I get what I deserve. I know i messed up, and just want to address the problem, and fix it. Thats all. I have learned from my mistake.
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I think the problem is that maybe you did not keep estrogen levels low enough during and after your HCG intake. 10,000iu is a fairly large amount of use without something like nolvadex or arimidex run alongside and beyond. For a heavy cycle like that, you should have followed up the HCG with at minimum 6 weeks of clomid and/or nolvadex. Also, the HCG should be run a few weeks prior to the start of PCT because it is suppressive itself when run too close to the end apparently. Timing, dosing, and patience is crucial for a good recovery. I suppose you could do what your friend suggested, couldn't hurt. Make sure to get bloodwork done again afterwards if possible
 
10,000 iu's over 2 weeks isn't alot.... most agreed upon dosages is 1,000 - 1,500 iu's, 3x's a week for 3 weeks... I personally prefer Nolvadex... 20 mg/day (as oposed to 50mg/day clomid)... less sides than clomid... run the nolvadex for 6 weeks... plus a good idea to add an AI such as aromasin or AIFM.... then re-evaluate yourself (bloodwork, see how you feel).... you should definitely run another PCT
 
Started my "recovery" today. Here is what it looks like

Weeks (1-3) HCG-500iu's day
Weeks (1-6) Nolv-20mg day
Weeks (1-4) Aromasin- 20mg day
Weeks (1-4) Vitamin E- 1000iu's day
 
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