Low Mass/high Streanth Cycle?

[Bozwell]

now Iv got as big as I want to be around 200lbs,but I want to get stronger Im planning my next cycle and was thinking,this will be my 4th go with steroids but my first proper cycle (done light test and light dbol cycles)
weeks 1-8 npp 150mg e3d
weeks 1-8 sust250 1ml ew
weeks 4 -10 var 70-100mg ed
weeks 9-12 500ius hcg eod/nolva 20mged
weeks 12-15 20mg nolva ed
with aromasin and dostinex up untill pct
btw I dont want to use tren Ive heard about the sides and want nothing to do with it
what do you all think?
cheers

 

[Catch Wrestler]

Tren isn't as bad as it sounds,Honestly,but if you want great strength gains,it's one of the best things you can do!!!!

 

[under]

Var, 40/50mgs per day, good strength gains, you can also cut without loosing any mass on it, easy to recover from as well.

 

[ryan04]

Anavar is probably your best bet.

 

[Bozwell]

Tren isn't as bad as it sounds,Honestly,but if you want great strength gains,it's one of the best things you can do!!!!

If I was going to use tren, what kind of dose would you recommend and what would you use it with if you had the same goals as me? what side effects would be coomon at thses doses ,aggression,insomnia and lipid profile are the ones that put me off,also the dark urine when using tren whats that about?

 

[Bozwell]

Var, 40/50mgs per day, good strength gains, you can also cut without loosing any mass on it, easy to recover from as well.

I plan on running the var at a high dose maybe 100mg ed I want to get as strong as possable without gaining to much mass
from what Iv heard some well respected bros have run high doase and got got mega keepable streanth

 

[under]

Some guys say that over 60mgs/day, the sides increase but the gains diminish.

I've also personally found that I only lost strength and not much when I injured my shoulders, but I think I could have kept them, I am pretty much back up there now.

 

[Catch Wrestler]

You should probably start off with 1ml(75mg's) of tren,and see how you respond to it.If you have no problems,then I would step it up to one and a half ml's.You might get some night sweats,maybe even a bit of tren cough(although it's not definate that you'll get it.I've only had it once),but these are no big deal,and easy to cope with,especially for the returns in strength gains!!!Probably be best to use some prop., winstrol,anavar or primo.Masteron is also a good choice.

 

[black sheep]

Prop - Tren - Var

Tren sides are not bad at all.. As a matter of fact I really noticed no sides except darkened urine and tren dick. Dostinex fixed that problem last time! - so that is no longer a concern.

I loved tren!

Anyway - I would run a simple 8 weeker as follows:

1-8 Prop 100mg EOD
1-6 Tren 100mg EOD
3-8 Var 60mg ED

Run the prop 2 weeks past the tren to aid in recovery. Run a standard Nolva/Clomid PCT and your good to go. I drink a lot of cranberry juice (100% juice - not that juice cocktail shit) to help keep with the kidneys (You can get cranberry extract pills from the vitamin store also). I also take tylers anytime I use an oral (Even Var)

 

[Catch Wrestler]

Better off using tren ed rather than eod,as you get more sides with eod.Blood levels are more up and down also.Not as good gains either.

 

[black sheep]

Better off using tren ed rather than eod,as you get more sides with eod.Blood levels are more up and down also.Not as good gains either.

I ran it both ways and noticed no differnces.. The blood levels will be more stable indeed, and ED injections would be better if he can handle that. If not EOD will do fine..

 

[UA_Iron]

halotestin and tren stacked.

 

[UA_Iron]

or how about a low-med dose test and winny cycle?

I know winny made me sooo strong.

 

[Catch Wrestler]

Halotestin and tren stacked??From what I've heard of these two steroids,you'll end up killing someone.Seriously.Has anybody used these two together?? Experiences?? Good and bad??

 

[Anon Poster]

Tren, start with 50mg everyday and work your way up.

 

[Bozwell]

Better off using tren ed rather than eod,as you get more sides with eod.Blood levels are more up and down also.Not as good gains either.

ED pokes arnt for me e3d I can handle,Ive been looking at tren hex,dose this have a simalar half life life to npp? ...not saying Im going to us it but Im keeping my options open

 

[Bozwell]

halotestin and tren stacked.

If I thought I could hanldle it Id give it a go
but dbol and test makes me mad so that would drive me wild plus my internal organs would probebly fail on me..lol

 

[Bozwell]

or how about a low-med dose test and winny cycle?

I know winny made me sooo strong.

I suffer from back bain and from what Ive heard about winny and dry joints I dont think Ill be using that thats why Ive opted for var ,plus Ive heard it can streanthen tendons and cartlige, I will be using a low dose of test throughout the cycle, I need test in me

 

[Bozwell]

any input on npp, hear its like a milder version of tren

 

[ElMatador]

I would recommend you primo & winny cycle...