Low doses for longer period of time w/ better,safer gains

[LATINLOVER]

I read a tread where one of the ladies(brickgirl)said that a pro told her it was better to stay longer with lower doses,I have a friend that helped me out when I first started; (about 5 years ago)he was a veteran bodybuilder that told me the same thing. I never did it,I only did what the anabolic reference guide or books like that said,I tought maybe he was old fashioned .I began to search on the net and found a couple of studies confiming it. I attached the one I was most related to since I am currently on a anavar/primo cycle.Check out sheet 4(next page)As you see the time of the study is 16 weeks,but notice how from the 8th week to the 14th week increases ; I think if the dose is lower and the time longer you can achieve better results with less sides. If the dose is higher with any drug,you run the risk of stoping your free test production(wich you can later fix ,but why). Now Scientist give the FDA a safe dose that people can use with less sides,that way they can keep the drug on the market right. After doing all the studies they came out with the number 20mg I am doing 30mg instead of the 40mg I was doing for a month,but I will run it for one or two more months than expected,the Primo I will run it at 200mg instead of 300 weekly for one or two more months. Another thing,when I decreased the dosage from 40mg to 30mg Anavar I had puffy nipples wich increased for a couple of days after decreasing the dose;I think it was for the excess amount of testosterone/estrogen conversion my body was going throug,I am completely puffy niple free,and seen great gains,been working my abs with a lot of weight now and the bricks are growing;I never used to do these because of been afraid of my stomach getting bigger ugly (not true if I do it only while on the cycle. I apologize for my English but my spell check has not been working. http://www.oxandrin.com/hiv/about/data_sheet3.html p.s click next on the pages to see other graphs,notice how the weight gain is almost steady.

 

[phattboy]

i disagree. i think higher doseages for shorter time is best. u have to experiment and see for yourself. your body adapts quickly to ANYTHING. so hit it hard for short periods then stop for 4-5 weeks. then switch to something else and hit it hard. alot of very very very big guys do this. but then again some huge guys do it the other way too. but i think u will find that most freaks do it with higher dosages all the time. depends on what your goal is and what u are willing to do. i just came off for the first time in 8 mo. after using fairly high doseages the whole time. last cycle was 1200 mgs test. finished with 600 mgs eq. after being on for that long i lost very little. after being off for 6 weeks i still benched 3 plates for 13. i also went to the doc and got a complete physical to see what the damage was internally. none. liver fine. kidneys fine. prostate fine. heart fine. i used milk thistle to protect my liver and cranberry extract to protect my kidneys. must have worked because my liver enzymes were normal. i would think they would be whacked after that kind of abuse. i definitely believe in milk thistle and cranberry extract. just alittle insurance for a dumb ass like me. just remember. anytime u alter your bodies natural chemistry u are asking for trouble. its only a matter of time before destruction comes. think it through. just something to think about. u wont hear this kind of talk much on any boards. drugs can kill. period. u cant say u werent told. everytime i eat a pill or take a shot i know i could be doing irreversible damage. i lost my spleen 8 yrs ago due to bogus shit. so i know first hand what can happen. i almost died. except responsibility for your actions. enough said. good luck. remember. no matter what the world says your heart or whats inside counts way more than the outter appearance.

 

[reconnect]

my spell check has not been working

My spell check do not work either SOMEBODY FOX IT!!!!!!!!

 

[reconnect]

Fu*king hell i mean FIX!

 

[LATINLOVER]

I know what you meant Phattboy,it is exactly what I have always done in the past;the results: balls shirnked,got deca dick another time,agressivness,edema,etc.Of course it all depends on the drugs but the thing is that Anabolics were created for various reasons and one of the more important one was to gain lean body mass; it seems logical that if you increase the dose by only a few mg. you have less risks . Just think what our body goes when we give them all that hormonal changes. One of the reasons steroids were taken out of the market was because of people abusing them,it is a big temtation;we think of course if we get a buzz with one glass of wine why not take the whole bottle and get drunk.Another good example of us abusing everithing including the good things; like alcohol,scientist say is good and see how many people abuse it and die.

 

[hewlett]

I'm no expert but when i was young I remember stackign up alot of Flinstone vitamins and got me sick and it wa beter taking less and taking it for a long time worked otu ebtter like 1 a day versus 10 a day b/c i loved the flavor so i do see what you mean.
but as far as primo goes and anavar yes i would do a lose dose for long time like 200mg a week of primo for like 12-20 weeks and anavar liek BTG for 7-10mg ED for 2-4 months but would take like winny and dbol etc.. for that much long period of time 6-8 tops even at low dose
and Deca maybe 200 a week for 12 weeks with some clomid in there

 

[LATINLOVER]

Anybodyelse has an opinion,anyway i will do an update in two months or less;it has only been 5 weeks since I started and I love it
p.s Fucking Spell check I really need it

 

[LATINLOVER]

"Todo con medida nada con exceso"
( "everything with measurement nothing with excess" )

Just a bump for a tought

 

[serge]

high doses and shorter cycles, with a low dose bridge in between to maintain your gains.

 

[cockdezl]

The study you posted did not look at a comparison in dosing regimens, but simply the effect of Oxandrin for 8 months. What is interesting from the study is the drastic change in BW and LBM between 2 and 4 months. Possibly for low doses to work optimally, one would have to be on them for a minimum of 4-5 months straight.

An older study looked at the dose response curve of anabolic/androgenic steroids, and it was shown that the higher the total dose over a given time, led to greater gains in LBM. Essentially, 2"x" mg of steroid over "y" number of weeks was better than 1"x" mg of steroid over "y" number of weeks.

Metabolism 1985 Jun;34(6):571-3

"The effect of anabolic steroids on lean body mass: the dose response curve."

Forbes GB.

Data from human subjects given various amounts of anabolic steroids show that the resultant increment in lean body mass (LBM) has the features of a typical dose response curve. Low doses produce a very modest effect, while large doses result in a progressive augmentation of the LBM. Endogenous testosterone production during male adolescence is accompanied by a sex differential in LBM that is comparable to the LBM increment generated by exogenous steroids given to adults.