'Low' dose test cycles. Who's had success from them?

[digit0x]

If you've done well off of low dose test for a long time, I'm curious about PCT for those cycles. Anyone who has done a lot of them must have a certain PCT regimine they found to be most effective. HCG while on, clomid or nolva etc...

I've done clomid only PCT and that worked well, though I'm wondering if it could've been done better.

What have you done? What worked best? What was ineffective or excessive?

 

[Sweetsrcool]

you should probably post what a low test dose means in your opinion, i guess some guys on here run 250 a week, so in that case, what would be a low test dose

 

[Ross]

Testosterone is the single-most ABUSED anabolic steroid.

Acne, Gyno, and EXCESS body hair just aren't my thing.

People ask me all of the time, "How come you don't have any side-effects, you must use TONS of juice!?".

The answer is very simple: I do NOT ABUSE TESTOSTERONE.

(and I don't use Deca, Drol, or Tren)

I consider myself an advanced bodybuilder, and I have NEVER exceeded 750mgs of testosterone per week, and my typical dosage on a bulking cycle is 500mgs. When I am cutting, I run either 100mgs Propionate EOD, or one shot of Sustanon/Omnadren per week.

Focus on MASTERING your training and diet regimenations, and then CONSDIER increasing your dosages.

 

[digit0x]

you should probably post what a low test dose means in your opinion, i guess some guys on here run 250 a week, so in that case, what would be a low test dose

If you need clarification on the ambiguity, don't respond.

 

[swole]

If you need clarification on the ambiguity, don't respond.

dude

the guy above just said 500mg is low

i would consider 250mg is low

maybe you should rephrase your question to what YOU think is low and ask if anyone has had success from running that, assuming they're around the same weight

then you have to consider, did you run it solo or stacked?

 

[digit0x]

dude

the guy above just said 500mg is low

i would consider 250mg is low

maybe you should rephrase your question to what YOU think is low and ask if anyone has had success from running that, assuming they're around the same weight

then you have to consider, did you run it solo or stacked?

Fair enough. But who said 500 is low?

Low = < 399

 

[Ross]

Fair enough. But who said 500 is low?

Low = < 399

Yea, who said 500 is LOW?

500 is very moderate. 750 is HIGH!

 

[advanced-stealth]

I never go over 750mgs a wk.

 

[NYBodyguard]

im not kidding my past two cycles been 200mg test week i gained off each one just as much as when i did much more

you will believe me when you try it my friends thank me for pushing them to try it and the feeling is unreal sex drive like crazy and just overall good feeling and def non of that bloat.

 

[Nelson Montana]

There's a huge psychological factor here. It's not placebo , more of an "inspiration." The old timers made great gains on low dosages probably more from the enthusiasum of having an "edge" and the increased appitite than the actual anabolism.

I know one guy who's essentially clean but he does a couple of tabs of d-bol before each leg workout. Now that obviously won't grow any muscle but he feels strong and jacked and gets a great workout in... and so, he gets results.

It's impossible to say what the "optimum" dose is but I'm sure most will agree, effectiveness does not increases exponentially with the dosage.

I've had pros confide in me that they took more than they actually thought they needed but couldn't take the chance of not pushing the envelope as far as possible. If someone else took an extra 2 grams a week in order gain 1/6th of an inch on his arm, the next guy has to do the same. But for most guys, I think 500 mgs a week can provide excellent gains, and anything over a gram is kinda overkill.

 

[al_ny]

I Am On Hrt 150 Mg Test Cyp Per Week. Raised My Test Levels From 360 To 1080 In 3 Months Feel Good Do Not Have Any Bad Sides. Little Swelling In Hands Sometimes, Could Be From Hgh 2iu's 5 On 2 Off.

 

[musclehealth]

I love 250 test and throw in low dose compunds with it. 250 is great, more makes me feel better but sides eat my ass.

 

[thelion2005]

If you've done well off of low dose test for a long time, I'm curious about PCT for those cycles. Anyone who has done a lot of them must have a certain PCT regimine they found to be most effective. HCG while on, clomid or nolva etc...

I've done clomid only PCT and that worked well, though I'm wondering if it could've been done better.

What have you done? What worked best? What was ineffective or excessive?

Normal output of test is 2-11 mg a day, so even an extra 100 mg a week is a jolt. That is the normal HRT dosage.

I don't think pct is even necessary at low dosages.

I would think that 50 mg of test p on Thursday am and Sunday pm would be a great low dosage cycle.

 

[Stallbro]

I'm going to start my first cycle at 250mg test e ew for 10wks. I too am wondering about how much AI, HCG and PCT will be necessary. I'm planning on just Aromasin when/if needed and 500iu HCG ew then Derma Sustain for PCT.

 

[Wulfgar]

Depends on ALOT of variables
I tend to go by a rule of size and muscularity(since obviously more muscle=more fiber=more receptors= higher need for more gear)
take your Bf and given you are roughly between 8-12% I beleive these doses are acceptable

>180= 200-400 total MG of gear weekly
180-210= 400-600 Total MG of gear weekly
210-240= 600-800 mg gear weekly
240+= 800 mg mg gear weekly

keep in mind this is EVERYTHING combined
so if you were doing a DBol+ test cycle and you were 180 lbs you would want about 200 mg test weekly and 20=30 mg Dbol daily

Have never seen much reason for anyone to take more gear than this in al but very few circumstances.

 

[ProtienFiend]

Ive ONLY done single compound Test Enan or Cyp, with doses between 250mg and 500mg/wk. Each time was great. My first cycle was Test E 250mg/wk (vet grade) for 10 weeks. Kept about 15 lbs. Low sides, fast recovery.

Im doing Test E (human grade) 500mg/wk for 8 weeks, right now, trying to cut a bit. Week 4, feeling WONDERFUL. Down 3-4% of BF (using the mirror) and up about 5-8 lbs. I'm keeping sodium relatively low and upping potassium along with some low dose AIFM to keep water down. Lovely cycle!

 

[ProtienFiend]

For PCT:

Ive used Letro and Nolva before. The letro was ok. I don't take nolva anymore because of the sex related sides and and depression (clinically about 1/3 -1/2 of cases).

I now take a herbal cocktail along with ALTYR (for depression), AIFM (low dose), and creatine (to preserve water balance and muscle stamina).

 

[njmuscleguy]

ok, so if you've been running "moderate" or "high" dosages of test and decide to go back down in the future (since alot of people seem to be advocating it), would your body still respond as well and grow as well after having had much higher dosages? Or do you have to keep up with the dosages you're accustomed to?

 

[Mac173]

ok, so if you've been running "moderate" or "high" dosages of test and decide to go back down in the future (since alot of people seem to be advocating it), would your body still respond as well and grow as well after having had much higher dosages? Or do you have to keep up with the dosages you're accustomed to?

Bump for those who have experienced this.

 

[ProtienFiend]

Bump for those who have experienced this.

Your body will still respond to the lower dosages. Your mind will be jaded though, if youre used to 2g of gear flowing through you, then do a 250mg/wk cycle.

 

[Mac173]

Your body will still respond to the lower dosages. Your mind will be jaded though, if youre used to 2g of gear flowing through you, then do a 250mg/wk cycle.

The mental aspect would probably be the toughest I'm sure.

 

[hard2handle]

There's a huge psychological factor here. It's not placebo , more of an "inspiration." The old timers made great gains on low dosages probably more from the enthusiasum of having an "edge" and the increased appitite than the actual anabolism.

I know one guy who's essentially clean but he does a couple of tabs of d-bol before each leg workout. Now that obviously won't grow any muscle but he feels strong and jacked and gets a great workout in... and so, he gets results.

It's impossible to say what the "optimum" dose is but I'm sure most will agree, effectiveness does not increases exponentially with the dosage.

I've had pros confide in me that they took more than they actually thought they needed but couldn't take the chance of not pushing the envelope as far as possible. If someone else took an extra 2 grams a week in order gain 1/6th of an inch on his arm, the next guy has to do the same. But for most guys, I think 500 mgs a week can provide excellent gains, and anything over a gram is kinda overkill.

Nelson, I frickin love your practical attitude towards 'gear' and growth. I got my best results from 15mg dbol daily and sus 250 weekly. 4 or 5 weeks at most. Then load up on creatine to help keep gains. Only done 3 cycles but kept solid 10 lbs each time.
I swear I am not trying to be a smart ass, but are there any studies on relative IQ and BBs.

 

[digit0x]

Alright, have you found it noticeably easier to keep gains from 250/week compared to more than 500/week?

What PCT protocol have you had most success with?

For PCT:

I now take a herbal cocktail along with ALTYR (for depression), AIFM (low dose), and creatine (to preserve water balance and muscle stamina).

This was most effective for you?

 

[Sweetsrcool]

If you need clarification on the ambiguity, don't respond.

why are you on here, your stupid and know nothing?

 

[ProtienFiend]

Alright, have you found it noticeably easier to keep gains from 250/week compared to more than 500/week?

What PCT protocol have you had most success with?




This was most effective for you?

Im not going to push what I do, I just know it works for me. I am a believer in not OVER medicating which I feel is running rampant on these boards. I think its possible to keep 90%+ of gains from either of those cycles. It depends on what you do to preserve them though.

After one of my cycles, I moved, got a new job, got slightly depressed (winter, post cycle, new job) and lost A LOT from that cycle. It was very wasteful, but it taught me what NOT to do, and I learned a great deal from that. I also have tried dieting (cutting) right after coming off cycle... NOT A GOOD IDEA. You're body is in a fairly catabolic state at this point, ready to burn new, young muscle.

Like I said, you have to see what works for you and go with it. Nolva for PCT does not work well for me (depression) so I stick to a more natural approach. I also take lots of time off... time off = 2x time on (atleast... )

PF

 

[digit0x]

Im not going to push what I do, I just know it works for me. I am a believer in not OVER medicating which I feel is running rampant on these boards. I think its possible to keep 90%+ of gains from either of those cycles. It depends on what you do to preserve them though.

After one of my cycles, I moved, got a new job, got slightly depressed (winter, post cycle, new job) and lost A LOT from that cycle. It was very wasteful, but it taught me what NOT to do, and I learned a great deal from that. I also have tried dieting (cutting) right after coming off cycle... NOT A GOOD IDEA. You're body is in a fairly catabolic state at this point, ready to burn new, young muscle.

Like I said, you have to see what works for you and go with it. Nolva for PCT does not work well for me (depression) so I stick to a more natural approach. I also take lots of time off... time off = 2x time on (atleast... )

PF

Good stuff

 

[thelion2005]

ok, so if you've been running "moderate" or "high" dosages of test and decide to go back down in the future (since alot of people seem to be advocating it), would your body still respond as well and grow as well after having had much higher dosages? Or do you have to keep up with the dosages you're accustomed to?

Yes ... good response.
So far I've switched back and forth about 8 times.
With the higher dosage cycles, I get the "look" and response you'd expect. Not the cover of FLEX, but definately the change that turns heads.

Then back on low dosage HRT, I slowly calm down, lose the water, keep a lot of the muscle, but get a more "natural" look. Strength goes down because so much of this strength in a cycle is artifical.

What I'm seeing by doing this over the last few years, is a slow progression to a larger and stronger base weight and size. This cutter cycle I'm on now will result in a final base of 210 body weight with reduced fat. This was the high of one of my bulking cycles in 2005/6. I coud easily bulk up to 235 now if I want to drag all that around, including the high bp and the big prostate.