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marky
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Lorazapam, aka Ativan
What mg? It wont interact chemically to cause some kind of reaction. But it will effect your motivation. Its a powerful mellower
that could effect your wkout quality. Take only when really needed
and not during a stressfull situation. Morning or evening is best IMO. It will keep you generally calm before the stresses of the day start and help sleep.
What mg? It wont interact chemically to cause some kind of reaction. But it will effect your motivation. Its a powerful mellower
that could effect your wkout quality. Take only when really needed
and not during a stressfull situation. Morning or evening is best IMO. It will keep you generally calm before the stresses of the day start and help sleep.
small little suckers packing a punch
I have lorazepams (sp) on hand and have been using them for approx. 2yrs time now... i only use them to go to sleep when i can't or when i have to be in bed at a certain time to get up at a certain time. I've had no side effects or bad reactions while on the sauce. I would not recommend using them for stress... it is an anti-depressant but, it is also used as a method to counter act insomnia.... a warning to you... it will knock you on your ass if you are some what sensitive to it... so watch out bro. They are small pills but have a very strong kick... so i would try breaking them in half. I get them by the hundreds for basically free and i must say that they are awesome to get you to sleep or to mellow out. Hope any of this info helps.
I have lorazepams (sp) on hand and have been using them for approx. 2yrs time now... i only use them to go to sleep when i can't or when i have to be in bed at a certain time to get up at a certain time. I've had no side effects or bad reactions while on the sauce. I would not recommend using them for stress... it is an anti-depressant but, it is also used as a method to counter act insomnia.... a warning to you... it will knock you on your ass if you are some what sensitive to it... so watch out bro. They are small pills but have a very strong kick... so i would try breaking them in half. I get them by the hundreds for basically free and i must say that they are awesome to get you to sleep or to mellow out. Hope any of this info helps.
hhajdo
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Cy-BORG
by Cy Willson
Happy Pills with Androgens?
Q: I've heard many anti-anxiety and anti-depression meds can have negative bodybuilding consequences when one is also using steroids. Is that true?
A: Caution should be used if one is using anti-anxiety meds like benzodiazepines. The reason? Well, some androgens like Testosterone and stanozolol can prevent these benzodiazepines from binding to receptor sites and thus preventing them from exerting any action. This could cause a severe case of anxiety for that person.
The same thing applies for drugs used to treat depression. Caution should be used with those using SSRI's as some androgens may increase or enhance serotonin levels or their actions. To further complicate things, some can even reduce serotonin levels. Either way, this would require the person to account for this and then readjust his dosage of that particular SSRI.
The same issue applies with MAOI's as androgens like D-bol may increase epinephrine levels. In combination with an MAOI, this could lead to a significant increase in blood pressure and heart rate, and thus could lead to some serious side effects if not monitored closely. The same applies if an androgen increases or decreases MAO levels as this would require one to readjust the dosage.
Now, in reality, there isn't a large risk involved with these drugs and concurrent use of androgens, but caution is warranted and dosages should be adjusted accordingly if the patient finds that the drug or drugs aren't as effective as they were prior to androgen usage. (1-7)
1) Thiblin I, et al. "Increased dopaminergic and 5-hydroxytryptaminergic activities in male rat brain following long-term treatment with anabolic androgenic steroids." British J Pharmacol 1999 Mar;126(6):1301-6
2) Masonis AE, McCarthy MP. "Direct interactions of androgenic/anabolic steroids with the peripheral benzodiazepine receptor in rat brain: implications for the psychological and physiological manifestations of androgenic/anabolic steroid abuse." J Steroid Biochem Mol Biol 1996 Aug;58(5-6):551-5
3) Masonis AE, McCarthy MP. "Direct effect of the anabolic/androgenic steroids, stanozolol and 17 alpha-methyltestosterone, on benzodiazepine binding to the gamma-aminobutyric acid (a) receptor." Neurosci Lett 1995 Apr 7;189(1):35-8
4) Masonis AE, McCarthy MP. "Effects of the androgenic/anabolic steroid stanozolol on GABBA receptor function: GABA-stimulated 36Cl-influx and [35S] TBPS binding." J Pharmacol Exp Therap 1996 Oct;279(1):186-93
5) Bonson KR, et al. "Serotonergic control of androgen-induced dominance." Pharmacol Biochem Behav 1994 Oct;49(2):313-22
6) Bonson KR, Winter JC. "Reversal of testosterone-induced dominance by the serotonergic agonist quipazine." Pharmacol Biochem Behav 1992 Aug;42(4):809-13
7) Bitran D, et al. "Treatment with an anabolic-androgenic steroid affects anxiety-related behavior and alters the sensitivity of cortical GABAA receptors in the rat." Horm Behav 1993 Dec;27(4):568-83
by Cy Willson
Happy Pills with Androgens?
Q: I've heard many anti-anxiety and anti-depression meds can have negative bodybuilding consequences when one is also using steroids. Is that true?
A: Caution should be used if one is using anti-anxiety meds like benzodiazepines. The reason? Well, some androgens like Testosterone and stanozolol can prevent these benzodiazepines from binding to receptor sites and thus preventing them from exerting any action. This could cause a severe case of anxiety for that person.
The same thing applies for drugs used to treat depression. Caution should be used with those using SSRI's as some androgens may increase or enhance serotonin levels or their actions. To further complicate things, some can even reduce serotonin levels. Either way, this would require the person to account for this and then readjust his dosage of that particular SSRI.
The same issue applies with MAOI's as androgens like D-bol may increase epinephrine levels. In combination with an MAOI, this could lead to a significant increase in blood pressure and heart rate, and thus could lead to some serious side effects if not monitored closely. The same applies if an androgen increases or decreases MAO levels as this would require one to readjust the dosage.
Now, in reality, there isn't a large risk involved with these drugs and concurrent use of androgens, but caution is warranted and dosages should be adjusted accordingly if the patient finds that the drug or drugs aren't as effective as they were prior to androgen usage. (1-7)
1) Thiblin I, et al. "Increased dopaminergic and 5-hydroxytryptaminergic activities in male rat brain following long-term treatment with anabolic androgenic steroids." British J Pharmacol 1999 Mar;126(6):1301-6
2) Masonis AE, McCarthy MP. "Direct interactions of androgenic/anabolic steroids with the peripheral benzodiazepine receptor in rat brain: implications for the psychological and physiological manifestations of androgenic/anabolic steroid abuse." J Steroid Biochem Mol Biol 1996 Aug;58(5-6):551-5
3) Masonis AE, McCarthy MP. "Direct effect of the anabolic/androgenic steroids, stanozolol and 17 alpha-methyltestosterone, on benzodiazepine binding to the gamma-aminobutyric acid (a) receptor." Neurosci Lett 1995 Apr 7;189(1):35-8
4) Masonis AE, McCarthy MP. "Effects of the androgenic/anabolic steroid stanozolol on GABBA receptor function: GABA-stimulated 36Cl-influx and [35S] TBPS binding." J Pharmacol Exp Therap 1996 Oct;279(1):186-93
5) Bonson KR, et al. "Serotonergic control of androgen-induced dominance." Pharmacol Biochem Behav 1994 Oct;49(2):313-22
6) Bonson KR, Winter JC. "Reversal of testosterone-induced dominance by the serotonergic agonist quipazine." Pharmacol Biochem Behav 1992 Aug;42(4):809-13
7) Bitran D, et al. "Treatment with an anabolic-androgenic steroid affects anxiety-related behavior and alters the sensitivity of cortical GABAA receptors in the rat." Horm Behav 1993 Dec;27(4):568-83
PumpinIronInTn
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zanex always make me sleep good
Those comments of Cy Wilsons, along with many comments he's made in the past, is pure nonsense. Who is that guy anyway?
There are no interactions between the drugs and both will work just fine together.
I agree with zx-6 in that they should be used only for sleep and only when you really need them. (Addictive little buggers) If you take them during the day, all you'll want to do is sit on the couch and eat nachos.
There are no interactions between the drugs and both will work just fine together.
I agree with zx-6 in that they should be used only for sleep and only when you really need them. (Addictive little buggers) If you take them during the day, all you'll want to do is sit on the couch and eat nachos.
rottweiler75
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Maybe you should re read the article Nelson. He talks about how AS use can lessen the affect, or completely do the opposite of what that medication is supposed to do, which is completely correct. Most AS's are psychoactive to some degree, there is hard scienctific evidence that hormone levels play a big role in neurotransmitter levels and the metabolism there of (pmsabol). You must think roid rage is nothing but a placebo effect of bad information.
I read it and its nonsense. I've used both and one had absolutely no effect on the other. There is no medical contraindication between the two substances. If I know T-mag (and I think I do) it's just a bunch of puesdo scientific postulating designed to fill space until they can sell their shitty supplements.
Roid rage only occurs in people using extreme levels of androgens. Anyone who uses less than a gram and has "rage" is just an asshole using the juice as an excuse.
Roid rage only occurs in people using extreme levels of androgens. Anyone who uses less than a gram and has "rage" is just an asshole using the juice as an excuse.
gimp
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Lorazepam is not an ANTI-DERESSANT, nor does it have any anti-depressant qualities. It is a minor tranquilizer in the benzodiazapine family. It is only meant to be used for short term treatment of moderate anxiety. It will not interact with any AAS. However it is one of the most addictive of the benzo family, the other most addictive being XANAX. Try and space your doses out to at least every 3 days and try not to exceed 1mg. When you notice that you have to up the dose to have the same effect, this means you are building up a tolerance to it and potentially addiction. Do not get addicted to tranquilizers, I've watched many people detox from it and most doctors will agree a benzo addiction is harder to kick than heroin.
rottweiler75
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http://www.mesomorphosis.com/articles/bahrke/bahrke03.htm
http://www.inhousepub.co.za/jdav5n2/JDAviewv1_v5n2.htm
http://www.mjm.mcgill.ca/issues/v06n01/v06p032/v06p032.pd
He states "caution' shoud be used, not that there a lethal mix. And your gram a more of test a week fact is BS. Just like insulin people have different degrees of receptor affinity for testerone or any hormone for that matter. Maybe you should do some more research before u make half ass comments or maybe switch to writing childrens books.
"I read it and its nonsense. I've used both and one had absolutely no effect on the other"
Do you have any clinical evidence of this?? or are we just supposed to take your word big guy? Those single person, double blinded, becase where taking a handful of drugs, controlled studies dont make the grade
"Those comments of Cy Wilsons, along with many comments he's made in the past, is pure nonsense"
taken from Tmag>> N Montana
("Veterinarian medications are not intended for human consumption!
The purity guidelines are not as stringent for a cow as they are for a human. They are designed for animal receptor sites which will also work in humans, but much of it is wasted due to the fact that the molecule is floating around looking to attach itself to something that isn't there.
A consequent topic of confusion for many people is; how much of a difference is the effect of one steroid compared to another? The simple truth of the matter is, not much. You see, the body doesn't have receptors specifically for "Deca" and others designed only for "anavar." They all work very similarly. The exotic stacks that people come up with are often a convoluted attempt to seem "scientific." Stacking two or more steroids is usually more effective due to a higher dosage than if one were to take a single steroid. The only advantage to stacking is to combine an oral with an injectable in order to provide both an "immediate hit" (provided by the oral) and a gradual taper." )
I guess we all same dumb shit sometimes, no need to knock the guy. I dont think your words are controversial, more like very careless.
http://www.inhousepub.co.za/jdav5n2/JDAviewv1_v5n2.htm
http://www.mjm.mcgill.ca/issues/v06n01/v06p032/v06p032.pd
He states "caution' shoud be used, not that there a lethal mix. And your gram a more of test a week fact is BS. Just like insulin people have different degrees of receptor affinity for testerone or any hormone for that matter. Maybe you should do some more research before u make half ass comments or maybe switch to writing childrens books.
"I read it and its nonsense. I've used both and one had absolutely no effect on the other"
Do you have any clinical evidence of this?? or are we just supposed to take your word big guy? Those single person, double blinded, becase where taking a handful of drugs, controlled studies dont make the grade
"Those comments of Cy Wilsons, along with many comments he's made in the past, is pure nonsense"
taken from Tmag>> N Montana
("Veterinarian medications are not intended for human consumption!
The purity guidelines are not as stringent for a cow as they are for a human. They are designed for animal receptor sites which will also work in humans, but much of it is wasted due to the fact that the molecule is floating around looking to attach itself to something that isn't there.
A consequent topic of confusion for many people is; how much of a difference is the effect of one steroid compared to another? The simple truth of the matter is, not much. You see, the body doesn't have receptors specifically for "Deca" and others designed only for "anavar." They all work very similarly. The exotic stacks that people come up with are often a convoluted attempt to seem "scientific." Stacking two or more steroids is usually more effective due to a higher dosage than if one were to take a single steroid. The only advantage to stacking is to combine an oral with an injectable in order to provide both an "immediate hit" (provided by the oral) and a gradual taper." )
I guess we all same dumb shit sometimes, no need to knock the guy. I dont think your words are controversial, more like very careless.
rottweiler75
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just dumb assumptions made in the past by Mr montano with no scientific evidence to back it up, taken from Tmag.
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