Looking to take it to the next level

[tennents]

To be honest I would rather be cut up and vascular than being able to toss up alot of weight. I've never done any other type of contests and never really had any desire to compete in actual bodybuilding. but hats off to those of you who do. I'm sure it might seem strange or dumb to focus so much on my upper body and seem to neglect my lower body as I kind of got the impression from a previous post but thats just my choice. So thats kind of where I stand. I'm not really interested in strength now so much as I am inshape and definition. I'm just not really sure what type of supplements are the best ones to help me achieve those goals. After going through the forums for awhile I figured the knowledge base here is vast so I've come running for help. So again thanks for your time and insight.

 

[EarthRider]

I personally don't do squats heavy or deads. I have hurniated discs in my lower back from deads once, and squats once. So i just try to do correct form, and weight that I am comfortable with. I am less worried about doing heavy weight with bench then I am squats. So I do bench more then I squat for that fact. NOt sure if your thinking is the same as mine. But I am also not looking to compete or ever be a bodybuilder. I would rather be able to run or bike a lot then squat personally. And I have seen bikers who don't squat much with huge legs.

 

[tennents]

Yup, thats the boat I'm in. I can't run at all anymore myself. eliptical a bikes are my mainstay, that and a walk that will get me to the 120-138bpm to dive into fatburning range.

 

[Like_a_Weed]

Definately sound ready for a test cycle. I'd go longer than 8 weeks, at least 10-12, I didn't really start making great gains until week 7 or 8. Test only should be easy to recover from. If you spend enough time on this board and visiting all the sponsors you will find what your looking for. I gained 35 pounds on sustanon 250 every 3 days. I would definately front load with prop though as I wasn't real thrilled with the oral kickstart. I ran mine 13 weeks. No looking back. Im 235 now, and will be 250+ by next year.

 

[tennents]

Sounds good, Thank you much for the insight.

 

[stevesmi]

do some research on different testosterone choices.

with prop the esther is out very quickly.

with the longer esther tests its out after 3 weeks.

so if you run a 12 week cycle, really its in your system for 15 weeks. I have to disagree with the above poster who says to go that long for a first cycle. you want to avoid the headache of recovery, so keep your first cycle simple and short. your main concern should be recovery, that is where your cycle gets made or broke. many guys lose their gains during this time, lose motivation to workout, etc. and they go back to the drawing board. since you already have an excellent base and ethic I dont see you ending up in that situation as long as you do your research and are prepared with a solid PCT.

 

[jmat2407]

so if you run a 12 week cycle, really its in your system for 15 weeks. I have to disagree with the above poster who says to go that long for a first cycle. you want to avoid the headache of recovery, so keep your first cycle simple and short. your main concern should be recovery, that is where your cycle gets made or broke. many guys lose their gains during this time, lose motivation to workout, etc. and they go back to the drawing board. since you already have an excellent base and ethic I dont see you ending up in that situation as long as you do your research and are prepared with a solid PCT.

Poppycock. I went 14 weeks test E 500mg/week for my first cycle. Biggest change was between weeks 8-11 so I think a 12 week cycle of test E is perfect for a first timer.

 

[Deltoid_87]

After using pro hormones, otc steroids. I'd definitely run more than test alone, if I could go back I would, cuz I was disappointed with test only. I did 500mg 14 weeks bumped it up to 750 around week 8 and still didn't gain what I had on previous oral cycles. I used 1ad. Epi. M1test all impressed me more than test for strength and mass. However nothing makes u feel as good and more like a man than test. So ill use it in all my future cycles, just never again by itself, its just not enough for me.

So fat loss and lean muscle is what u want, and u wanna know what to take to take it to the next level. Well Using the right drugs correctly will definitely help get u there sooner, But diet and cardio is still what ur gonna have to concentrate mainly on to.

12 weeks.
Test enanthate 500mg
Masteron enanthate 400mg
T3 25mcg

Pm me if u have any questions about this bro.

 

[tennents]

Thank you much for all the info, I'll sift through the forums and read up on this stuff but thanks to all of you for putting me on the right path!!

 

[Zyglamail]

I personally don't do squats heavy or deads. I have hurniated discs in my lower back from deads once, and squats once.

Bad form on either will bite you in the ass hard and fast.

From a perspective of improving strength and systemic wide gain, nothing beats deads and squats. They subject your body to massive stress which in turn produce massive natural responses that have a whole body benefit.