Looking for opinions

[TracterT]

I also posted this under how to take steroids 101. Thanks if you replied there also.

Alright I just joined so hello everyone... This will be my first cycle and before I take it I am learning as much as I can(from what I already know). I have some tren and winni. I have 100 10mg tablets of winni and 5ml of tren. I'm thinking I might need a lil more or something else.

And my stats are:
21 y.o. 5'11 225lbs 16-18%BF Currently taking in 2200 calories(will get the P/C/F ratios later, been on the same diet for awhile). I'm gonna be going up on calories soon(Thank god). I get at least 1g Protein per lbs of BW. Been lifting for about 4 years(got serious 2 years ago). I know a lot think I'm young and I know I am too. But what other young person doesn't have this going through their head at times? And I just got a blood test and everything is "normal".

Thanks and I plan on learning a lot from you guys(and gals)

 

[DJ_UFO]

Geezus 21 and Tren for first cycle?? I wouldn't do that man...tren is poison. Usually tren is saved for experienced cyclers who no longer see big gains from test, deca, eq, dbol, etc.

If it is your first cycle, you can get awesome gains from primobolan with a low dose of dbol.

 

[PEAKIN]

Geezus 21 and Tren for first cycle?? I wouldn't do that man...tren is poison. Usually tren is saved for experienced cyclers who no longer see big gains from test, deca, eq, dbol, etc.

If it is your first cycle, you can get awesome gains from primobolan with a low dose of dbol.

Why not use tren on a 2nd or 3rd cycle though? From what I know, it will make the test work a lot better and you have the great properties of tren that will allow you to bulk while shredding some fat at the same time.

But to the OP, I wouldn't use it first cycle. Go a straight test cycle and see how your body reacts to it. My first cycle of organanon sustanon I gained 6kg lean muscle and even dropped a lil fat off it.

 

[TracterT]

I appreciate your guy's help because I know this stuff isn't anything to fool around with

 

[RADAR]

hell no ,its nothing to fool around with,that stuff it the devil it will grant you your every wish but at a price....it killed my sex drive for almost 2 yrs and i did a ton of PCT...theres really no pct for tren.

I looked better then i ever did but i payed a price for it.

think about the long term ramifications before touching tren its poison.

RADAR

 

[ConanX]

Put the tren in storage for another cycle bro. Take it from another young guy like yourself.

Do a simple Testosterone cycle. You have some winny on hand. If you like, you can run the winny at the end of your Test cycle, pr just save it for another cycle.

If you want to use what you have, I suggest you grab some Test and do something like this.

Weeks 1-10: Testosterone Enanthate/Cypionate 375-450 mg EW (I think 1.5cc's is plenty. Dose depends on concentration of the test you aquire).
Weeks 6-10: Oral Winstrol 40mg ED (you can do 50 or 60 if you like, though for a first time 40 should be plenty).

With a cycle like this, you should put on a lot of mass but also not get bloated. Make sure your diet is 100% because you want maximum gains my friend. I'd bump the protein up to 2 grams per lb.

Make sure you get ancilleries and PCT BEFORE-HAND because take it from me, it's not fun to be waiting around for PCT and when you are at the end of your cycle, your source falls through and you are stuck.

With a cycle like this, you will probably get very, very little sides. But in case they should arise, Nolvadex will help, as will Arimidex if you chose to run it throughout the cycle. HCG is the best for getting your natural Test production in order. Clomid works. OTC stuff that is sold through sponsors are also very affective at this.

If you run Winny, I suggest cholesterol support supps, fish oils, and liver protectant.

Goodluck.

 

[RADAR]

you've just put me off tren bro............

how did you deal with that is all i can ask??

I had to ride it out after lots of agressive PCT i then switched to over the counter supplements like unleashled, Tribulis ,i still have moments where things are do work even on a heavy test cycle, bloodwork turned up fine.....this applies to the motto that everyone responds differently.

RADAR

 

[eClenbuterol]

you would be a ferfect candidate for our porn stack....if you wanted to go the lighter route Viagria or cialis

 

[DJ_UFO]

hell no ,its nothing to fool around with,that stuff it the devil it will grant you your every wish but at a price....it killed my sex drive for almost 2 yrs and i did a ton of PCT...theres really no pct for tren.

I looked better then i ever did but i payed a price for it.

think about the long term ramifications before touching tren its poison.

RADAR

I have the same opinion with tren. I didn't get that devastating effect on my cock, but still didn't work for a few months. I could definitely tell it was the hardest thing to recover from.
Tren, gives incredible results, and at the same time is poison. Not worth it IMO, unless you are experienced bodybuilder and NEED to keep growing.

 

[ceo]

Put the tren in storage for another cycle bro. Take it from another young guy like yourself.

Do a simple Testosterone cycle. You have some winny on hand. If you like, you can run the winny at the end of your Test cycle, pr just save it for another cycle.

If you want to use what you have, I suggest you grab some Test and do something like this.

Weeks 1-10: Testosterone Enanthate/Cypionate 375-450 mg EW (I think 1.5cc's is plenty. Dose depends on concentration of the test you aquire).
Weeks 6-10: Oral Winstrol 40mg ED (you can do 50 or 60 if you like, though for a first time 40 should be plenty).

With a cycle like this, you should put on a lot of mass but also not get bloated. Make sure your diet is 100% because you want maximum gains my friend. I'd bump the protein up to 2 grams per lb.

Make sure you get ancilleries and PCT BEFORE-HAND because take it from me, it's not fun to be waiting around for PCT and when you are at the end of your cycle, your source falls through and you are stuck.

With a cycle like this, you will probably get very, very little sides. But in case they should arise, Nolvadex will help, as will Arimidex if you chose to run it throughout the cycle. HCG is the best for getting your natural Test production in order. Clomid works. OTC stuff that is sold through sponsors are also very affective at this.

If you run Winny, I suggest cholesterol support supps, fish oils, and liver protectant.

Goodluck.

this!

Get that diet on track before you cycle. Work your way up to 2 grams/lb bodyweight of protein.

225 lbs @ 5'11" off 2200 cals? You must put on weight easily.

I'd just do test. Save the tren and winny for a while. FWIW though, tren+winny=amazing shreddedness and just an incredible look. Not for first cycle though.