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Looking for general info on Clen

SoreArms

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I dont want to ask questions that have probably been asked and answered millions of times. I've tried using plat search but unfortuantely I do not find the info I'm seeking and its hard to filter through all the different pages that google spits out to find useful info.

I'm interested in general info on Clenbuterol, I want to know more about it (not just that its good for fat loss) before I decide whether its something I'd want to take (i.e how it works, what it affects, recommended dosages, duration of usage (cycle), possible side effects, bests ways to reduce side effects, etc.......)

If anyone can please point me to a thread, web site, or whatever that could help me out I would greatly appreciate it.

Thanks in advance
 
Clenbuterol first came to my attention through an e-mail question. The few claims I found of clenbuterol being an asthma medication seemed little more than a thinly veiled attempt to increase the acceptability of this banned drug.

Clenbuterol is a Beta-2 Agonist, this places it in the same classification as Albuterol and Terbutaline. Clenbuterol is associated with the same type of side effects as well; tremor, increased heart rate, nervousness, and cardiac arrhythmias in those with underlying heart disease. Those side effects seem to be significantly more pronounced than in medications now used for asthma today.

Banned in the U.S. for use in humans and animals, it's still readily available through several Internet based suppliers. Primarily used in veterinary medicine, clenbuterol is becoming increasingly popular as a anabolic steroid substitute. Clenbuterol's claim to fame is a supposed anabolic effect similar to anabolic steroids but to a much lesser effect and without steroid associated side effects.

Clenbuterol made itself known to the general public during the Barcelona Summer Olympics in 1992. Two athletes were banned from the games due to this drug. The Olympics isn't the only place where clenbuterol is being used to cheat. Bodybuilders, weight trainers, and dieters are using it to build muscle and reduce body fat. Unfortunately, this drug is also making its way to teens as well due to its availability.

Another problem with clenbuterol is its use in animals, both show and livestock. Animals are given clenbuterol for reasons similar to those of athletes, to increase muscle mass and leanness. Unfortunately, clenbuterol and its metabolites end up in the muscles and organs. When eaten these animal products have cause illness in human with symptoms familiar to anyone that has used a rescue inhaler or nebulizer. There have been hundreds of documented clenbuterol poisonings in the U.S. and Europe due to eating contaminated meat. Symptoms such as muscle pain, shaking, rapid heart beat, and headache have been known to last as long as 6 days.

From (http://asthma.about.com/cs/medication/l/aa060501a.htm)
 
Here's another interesting read from

http://www.pponline.co.uk/encyc/0176.htm

Clenbuterol is a popular - but banned - drug used by athletes in body-building, power-related, and even endurance sports. The chemical is attractive to athletes because it appears to have an anabolic effect on human muscles, and it may also increase fat metabolism. However, the actual effects of long-term clenbuterol intake on performance, muscle power, and overall health have been unclear.

To determine some of clenbuterol's actions, scientists at the University of Melbourne in Australia recently gave clenbuterol to laboratory rats at dosages of 2 milligrams per kilogram of body weight per day. Some of the rats followed a completely sedentary lifestyle, while others sprinted on treadmills or engaged in endurance swim training. Clenbuterol did have a couple of potentially positive effects: Sedentary rats which ingested clenbuterol had larger muscles than clenbuterol-free, sedentary rodents, and clenbuterol users also transformed leg-muscle cells from slow-twitch to fast-twitch fibres, a surprising change which would tend to increase anaerobic energy production and magnify muscle power during short, intense exertions.

However, clenbuterol also yielded three very negative changes. First, after just four weeks, clenbuterol-treated rats were unable to maintain their normal swimming or running training intensities, while clean rodents were quite capable of continuing. Secondly, the hearts of the clenbuterol-taking, trained rats increased dramatically in size compared to the hearts of sedentary rats, but the heart expansion was probably due to the infiltration of collagen fibres into the heart walls, not an increase in heart-muscle cells. Collagen is a tough connective tissue which doesn't augment heart-muscle power but in fact stiffens the heart, potentially leading to a decrease in cardiac output. Increases in collagen may also produce cardiac arrhythmias. Thirdly, clenbuterol rats suffered from noticeable cardiac-cell degeneration.

In addition, although sedentary, clenbuterol-treated rats were more muscular than clenbuterol-free, sedentary rats, clenbuterol was unable to boost muscle mass among either the swim- or treadmill-trained rodents. It appears that, in spite of its popularity, clenbuterol is a potentially dangerous drug which offers very few positive effects for either the power or endurance athlete.

('The Effects of Clenbuterol on Skeletal and Cardiac Muscle of Rats when Combined with Aerobic and Anaerobic Exercise, ' Biochemistry of Exercise Ninth International Conference Abstracts, #117, p 75, 1994)
 
Props?

SoreArms said:
I'm interested in general info on Clenbuterol, I want to know more about it (not just that its good for fat loss) before I decide whether its something I'd want to take (i.e how it works, what it affects, recommended dosages, duration of usage (cycle), possible side effects, bests ways to reduce side effects, etc.......)

Sascha from KMFDM told me that he doesn't want you taking Clenbuterol.

:lmao:

The above post pretty much sums it up. Props @ mrflexdiesel.

:chomp:
 
Sweet, all my questions answered on one post, thanks evander1972 and Mrflexdiesel. K coming to you guys as soon as I recharge.

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this is BigAndy69's FAQ..you're welcome



What is Clenbuterol?

Clenbuterol is a beta-2 agonist and is used in many countries as a broncodilator
for the treatment of asthma. Because of it's long half life, clenbuterol is not
FDA approved for medical use. It is a central nervous system stimulant and acts
like adrenaline. It shares many of the same side effects as other CNS stimulants
like ephedrine. Contrary to popular belief, Clenbuterol has a half life of 35
hours and not 48 hours.

Dosing and Cycling

Clenbuterol comes in 20mcg tablets, although it is also available in syrup, pump
and injectable form. It's also available as a powder in some areas. Doses are
very dependent on how well the user responds to the side effects, but somewhere
in the range of 4-8 tablets per day for men and 2-4 tablets a day for women is
most common. Clenbuterol loses its thermogenic effects after around 8 weeks when
body temperature drops back to normal. Its anabolic/anti-catabolic properties
fade away at around the 18 day mark. Taking the long half life into
consideration, the most effective way of cycling clen is 2 weeks on/ 2 weeks off
for no more than 12 weeks. Ephedrine or Yohimbine can be used in the off weeks.

Clenbuterol vs Ephedrine vs DNP

Ephedrine will raise metabolic levels by about 2-3 percent and 200mg of DNP
raises metabolic levels by about 30 percent. Clenbuterol raises metabolic levels
about 10 percent and it can raise body temperature several degrees.

DNP is by far the most effective fat burner but many people will never use it
because of the risks associated with it. It also offers no anti-catabolic
benefit. Although it does have anti-catabolic effect, ephedrine's short
half-life prevents it from being all that effective.

As far as side effects, Clenbuterol's are certainly milder than DNP's, and some
would even say milder than an ECA stack. There is no ECA-style crash on
Clenbuterol and many users find it easier on the prostate and sex drive. This
may in part be due to the fact that Clen is generally used for only 2 weeks at a
time.

Side effects

NAUSEA
NERVOUSNESS
DIZZINESS
DROWSINESS
DRY MOUTH
FACIAL FLUSHING
HEADACHE
HEARTBURN
INCREASED BLOOD PRESSURE
INCREASED SWEATING
INSOMNIA
LIGHTHEADEDNESS
MUSCLE CRAMPS
TREMORS
VOMITING
CHEST PAIN

The most significant side effects are muscle cramps, nervousness, headaches, and
increased blood pressure.

Muscle cramps can be avoided by drinking 1.5-2 gallons of water and consuming
bananas and oranges or supplementing with potassium tablets at 200-400mg a
day taken before bed on an empty stomach. Taurine at 3-5grams is a necessity in
minimizing cramps.

Headaches can easily be avoided with Tylenol Extra Strength taking at the first
signs of a headache.

Common Uses

Post-Cycle Therapy: Clen is used post cycle to aid in recovery. It allows the
user to continue eating large amounts of food, without worrying about adding
body fat. It also helps the user maintain more of his strength as well as his
intensity in the gym. Diet: Roughly the same as on cycle.

Fat loss: The most popular use for Clen, it also increases muscle hardness,
vascularity, strength and size on a caloric deficit. For the most significant
fat loss, Clen can be stacked with T3. Diet: A high protein(1.5g per lb of
bodyweight), moderate carb(0.5g to 1g per lb of bodyweight), low fat diet(0.25g
per lb of bodyweight) seems to work best with Clen.

Alternative to Steroids: Clenbuterol has mild steroid-like properties and can be
used by non-AS using bodybuilder to increase LBM as well as strength and muscle
hardness. Diet: A moderate carb, high protein, moderate fat diet work well.

Stimulant/Performance Enhancement: It can be used as a stimulant, but an ECA
stack may be a better choice because of it's much shorter half-life. Diet: To
take full advantage of the stimulatory effects of Clen, carbohydrates must be
included in the diet. Ketogenic diets do not work well in this case.

Precautions: Is Clen for you?

The same precautions that apply to Ephedrine must be applied to Clen, although
some people find ECA stacks are harsher than Clen. It should not be stacked
with other CNS stimulants such as Ephedrine and Yohimbine. These combinations
are unnecessary and potentially dangerous. Caffeine can be used in moderation
before a workout for an extra quick. burst of energy.

A word on Ketotifen

Ketotifen is safe antihistamine used extensively some European countries to
treat asthma and allergies. It can up regulate beta-2-receptors that Clen down
regulates. Basically, it allows users to extend their use of Clen for 6-8 weeks
at a time. 2-3mg a day is ideal, 10mg as found in "superclen" can make users
extremely drowsy. It also increases the effectiveness of Clen so doses must be
adjusted accordingly. The downfall of this drug is its ability to induce
extreme hunger is some people, which is not a desirable state to be in when
dieting.

Cycling Clenbuterol

Most users that report bad side effects and discontinue use are those who use
high doses right at the start of the cycle. The worst side effects occur within
the first 3-4 days of use.

A first time user should not exceed 40mcg the first day. Increase by one tab
until the side effects are not tolerable

Example of a first cycle:

Day1: 20mcg
Day2: 40mcg
Day3: 60mcg
Day4: 80mcg
Day5: 80mcg(Note: Increase the dose only when the side effects are tolerable)
Day6-Day12: 100mcg
Day13: 80 mcg (Tapering is not necessary, but it helps some users get back to
normal gradually)
Day14: 60 mcgs
Day15: off
Day16: off
Day 17: ECA/ NYC stack

Example of a second cycle:

Day1: 60mcg
Day2: 80mcg
Day3: 80mcg
Day4: 100mcg
Day5: 100mcg
Day6-Day12: 120mcg
Day13: 100 mcg
Day14: 80 mcgs
Day15: off
Day16: off
Day 17: ECA/ NYC stack

What else do I need to know?

Taurine MUST be used with Clen at 3-5g daily. Clenbuterol depletes taurine
levels in the liver which stops the conversion of T4 to T3 in the liver.
Taurine allows the user to avoid the dreaded rebound effect and painful muscle
cramps. It's a must with Clen.

Clenbuterol should not be taken too close to a workout. It can interfere with
your breathing and complete ruin your workout. When doing cardio, it's
advisable to stay at a consistent pace and avoid HIIT style routines.

Do not take Clen Past 4pm and drink plenty of water; 1.5-2 gallons a day.

BigAndy69

http://www.elitefitness.com/forum/showpost.php?p=3555855&postcount=5
 
Re: Props?

SoreArms said:
LOL, but En Esch doesn't care

You silly fuck!!!!! :lmao:

En Esch isn't even in the fucking band.

He and Gunther left to do "SLicK IdIoT"

Feel me on that, holmes?

Also, KFMDM is opening for Rammstein in their December tour of Germany.

:chomp:
 
Re: Props?

DIVISION said:
You silly fuck!!!!! :lmao:

En Esch isn't even in the fucking band.

He and Gunther left to do "SLicK IdIoT"

Feel me on that, holmes?

Also, KFMDM is opening for Rammstein in their December tour of Germany.

:chomp:
OK then, Lucia doesn't care and that means more 'cause she's a good looking chick.

I saw them last November, in Anaheim

Bile and Pig opened for them they were pretty bad ass too. KMFDM did a bunch of their old songs which was cool. I missed them a couple of months ago when they were back in town.
 
What Up?!?!?!

SoreArms said:
OK then, Lucia doesn't care and that means more 'cause she's a good looking chick.

I met Lucia after a KMFDM show in Phoenix.

She's kinda stuck-up, IMO.......or perhaps she doesn't like the dark meat?

:chomp:
 
Re: What Up?!?!?!

DIVISION said:
I met Lucia after a KMFDM show in Phoenix.

She's kinda stuck-up, IMO.......or perhaps she doesn't like the dark meat?

:chomp:
I don't think they liked me much at that show I went to see. I was standing in the very front, drunk off my ass, and heckled them by screaming out a bunch of MDFMK songs and laughing, "Goddam the Torpedos, hahahahaha". I did get to touch Lucias vinyl clad legs though (oooooh!)
 
Re: What Up?!?!?!

SoreArms said:
I don't think they liked me much at that show I went to see. I was standing in the very front, drunk off my ass, and heckled them by screaming out a bunch of MDFMK songs and laughing, "Goddam the Torpedos, hahahahaha". I did get to touch Lucias vinyl clad legs though (oooooh!)

After the show, I got props from Raymond and had Sascha sign my OOP "Naive" cd.

Gave Raymond a camoflauge military issue NBC bag, he's a good bro.

I talked some with Sascha about their future endeavors and what was in store for KMFDM and then let him go back to the tourbus.

Those guys rock.........but Lucia is not my flavor......

:chomp:
 
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