long vs short esters?

[broscience]

i know this topic probably has been touched upon many times,
but is it always set in stone?

bulking=long esters
cutting=short esters

cause looking over peoples cycles it seems that way....

DISCUSS~

 

[Zyglamail]

i know this topic probably has been touched upon many times,
but is it always set in stone?

bulking=long esters
cutting=short esters

cause looking over peoples cycles it seems that way....

DISCUSS~

The broscience theory is that the ster itself causes water retention and hence if your looking to cut a short ester would be better.

My personal opinion is water retention is more about proper E control than anything but will admit that there are some who are more susceptible to water retention from AAS than others and this may be influenced by the ester itself.

The way I see it, even if there is some water retention associated with a particular ester for a particular individual, who the hell cares? The end goal is what matters and not that your holding a little water during the cycle itself.

 

[Jbranken]

You don't have to cut on short esters. I personally hate pinning that much. I keep water retention down with a proper dose of aromasin and a low sodium diet. Also drinking 2 gallons of water each day. There's nothing wrong with cutting on long esters. It's all preference.

 

[RickRock13]

Thread makes no sense to me. Same thing just different times to reach peak and clear and frequency of pinning.

I run long esters for everything. I don't like being a pin cushion

 

[broscience]

I def agree with you all on not wanting to be a pin cushin....i think it would be a pain in the ass (like literally) if i had to pin every site during the week...

Now what about mixing esters?
Is it frowned upon if one were to use like cyp then like a primo ethanate amd then like a masteron prop just using as an example?

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[bonacris]

I def agree with you all on not wanting to be a pin cushin....i think it would be a pain in the ass (like literally) if i had to pin every site during the week...

Now what about mixing esters?
Is it frowned upon if one were to use like cyp then like a primo ethanate amd then like a masteron prop just using as an example?

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No people usually stick to the same lenght esters more for convenience of pinning..

I mix test e and tren a no problem

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[EZ_E]

Read Nelson's post "Prop, what's the point?"

 

[stevesmi]

i hate pinning simply because i get PIP almost everytime (i am one of those lucky ones who are sensitive no matter what i pin), and it is annoying having a 3 inch radius of muscle that is sore for 2-3 days.. so i choose to go with long esters.

some guys love pinning like its some sort of pleasure and some guys don't get PIP at all so short esters can be a better option.. also compare detectable times of suspension vs. decaonate lol.

 

[dylangemelli]

trust me, coming from a guy that pinned test prop for 20 weeks... its no fun... ive been running cyp now for over 2 months on trt and there is no difference to me... it all depends on you... your diet, training, how you control your estro with an ai... the one difference is there is more ACTUAL test in prop than anything but test suspension due to the longer ester but its not that significant of a difference... It really comes down to if you want to run a shorter cycle or not when making your decision on what to run... you can definitely mix esters if you want... that's no big deal...

 

[gymrat827]

You don't have to cut on short esters. I personally hate pinning that much. I keep water retention down with a proper dose of aromasin and a low sodium diet. Also drinking 2 gallons of water each day. There's nothing wrong with cutting on long esters. It's all preference.

keeping salt/sugar intake down is really all you need. Long esters do make you hold more water but if your not 6.5% already your not going to see the difference.

 

[Reps For Jesus]

The shorter esters are easier to control because they hit quicker and are gone faster.

I also love pinning..

 

[broscience]

I get pip only when i rush my pinning..cause sometimes i oversleep and dont want to show up late to work...but otherwise i def. dont mind pinning.

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[broscience]

I was initally going to run test p/primo/mast p/var
But i am thinking to changingout prop with test e

1-16 test e 300/wk (sun,tues,thur)
1-16 primo 600/wk (sun,tues,thur)
1-8 anavar 50mg ed
4-16 mast p ?? Dosage and what days should i pin?? Could i take proviron instead??
1-16 n2guard
6-16 hcgenerate
1-16 adex .5eod

Pct
1-8 clomid
1-8 forma
1-8 n2guard
1-8 hcgenerate
1-8 osta 25mg ed
1-8 unleashed

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[bonacris]

I get pip only when i rush my pinning..cause sometimes i oversleep and dont want to show up late to work...but otherwise i def. dont mind pinning.

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Why dont you pin at night before you go to bed

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[thedarkhalf]

Thread makes no sense to me. Same thing just different times to reach peak and clear and frequency of pinning.

I run long esters for everything. I don't like being a pin cushion

This. Although I feel the upside to using short esters with the compounds that cause worse side effects are a better option.

For example...short ester tren is in and out in 3 days, so if you can't handle the sides they will subside quicker than running a long ester tren which is in an out in 2 weeks (please, correct me if I am wrong)

 

[Shrine1]

Couldnt you run a small dose though just to see how your body takes then from there up the dosage if needed

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[dylangemelli]

I was initally going to run test p/primo/mast p/var
But i am thinking to changingout prop with test e

1-16 test e 300/wk (sun,tues,thur)
1-16 primo 600/wk (sun,tues,thur)
1-8 anavar 50mg ed
4-16 mast p ?? Dosage and what days should i pin?? Could i take proviron instead??
1-16 n2guard
6-16 hcgenerate
1-16 adex .5eod

Pct
1-8 clomid
1-8 forma
1-8 n2guard
1-8 hcgenerate
1-8 osta 25mg ed
1-8 unleashed

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bro, if your running test and primo depot, you don't need to pin that frequently... you only need to pin twice a week... do like a monday and friday or tuesday and saturday... as far as mast prop goes, take 150-200 mg eod of it... proviron will not give you anywhere near the aesthetic effects masteron gives... you should most definitely add gw-501516 to this cycle to really enhance it even more... SARMS1.COM - The best Selective androgen receptor modulators... running that with primo and mast will be such an excellent combo...

 

[broscience]

Yea im def going to go with 150 eod with mast p and im looking into gw thanks dylan

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