Long cycles? Advice please.

[Mythicalbeing]

I just finished my PCT after my Drol, test bout....came out ahead on this cycle. My next cycle is coming up in a week or more and am considering running a long 15-25 week cycle with Dbol(6 weeks max) Drol (4weeks max) eq, deca, test, tren. In what order and doseage? I'm trying to figure that out. Looking into Anabolics 2004 lean muscle building intermediate cycle, just don't have the info in front of me. I want to pack on a little more mass with strength to boot. Any suggestions here from anyone? I will also be switching the order of compounds to allow me to run HCG and nolva in the last few weeks during my cycle (i.e. when I want to run Drol, and EQ) .

Let me know what you guys think and I'll post my "suggested" therapy here later on for you Vets to pick apart. Or if you feel it's just to much let me know.

Current stats 260lbs, BF 12.5%, diet is clean with high protien, high carbs, and essential fats. Calories are right at 2200(at that rate cutting about 200ish cals a week.) Diet consists of eggs, chicken,tuna, oatmeal, salads, pasta,yogurt,protien shakes. I do substitue steak for chicken on occasion.

Thanks,
Mythical

 

[BIC]

260 AT 12.5 BF thats a big fucking dude.....

 

[Mythicalbeing]

I do believe I have a pic posted bro....in my gallary.....one of a year ago, and a recent one.....after I bulked.

 

[bigdho]

Im I getting this right?.... youve been done with post cycle therapy for a week and your starting another one already? ......Do you recover fast? I know its possible my workout partner does that, I cant. Anyway one thing I would say is if you leaning out I wouldnt run the tren longer than 6 weeks. Maybe throw in some clen or t-3??
Just my 2 cents good luck bro.

 

[JuicePimp]

I want to pack on a little more mass with strength to boot. Any suggestions here from anyone? I will also be switching the order of compounds to allow me to run HCG and nolva in the last few weeks during my cycle (i.e. when I want to run Drol, and EQ) .

Current stats 260lbs, BF 12.5%, diet is clean with high protien, high carbs, and essential fats. Calories are right at 2200(at that rate cutting about 200ish cals a week.) Diet consists of eggs, chicken,tuna, oatmeal, salads, pasta,yogurt,protien shakes. I do substitue steak for chicken on occasion.

Thanks,
Mythical

What about:
Wks 1-6 - dbol 35mg ED
Wks 1-16 Deca 600 mg/wk
Wks 1-25 Test 1000 mg/wk
Wks 16-25 Tren 75 mg ED

I would keep the calories higher at first and and cut them down around week 15 if you actually want to gain mass too. I think your 2200 at you weight is too low in my opinion to gain mass. Thats a cutting diet for me and you have 30lbs on me. I left out drol since I dont like it and left out EQ because I am not sure how much dosage wise you want to be on at once. I would run it for 12 wks min at 600 mg/wk though if I did. But I dont know that you need it in this cycle. It seems like you have a lot of compounds in there already. What were you thinking of running, surely you already have some idea?

 

[Mythicalbeing]

Yeah Juice I have an idea...
I was thinking.
Weeks 1-6 Test P 400mg, dbol 40mg ED
Weeks 7-12 Tren 300mg week, Deca 400mg week
weeks 13-18 Test enth, with 50mg Winny EOD
weeks 19-24 EQ at 500mg week with drol at 50mg ED running dex at 1 mg EOD, and nolva 20mg EOD
Finishing with post cycle stuff....nolva,hcg,clomid, dex...can go into details if needed.

That was my idea. Thus far...

No I didn't recover in a week....I have a week left before my PCT is complete.

 

[Mr. Black]

Tren and deca together should murder your balls...Good luck with that. Also you've only got 5 weeks of deca which seems like a waste as you don't even feel the full effects till week 5-6. the same principle applies to your 5 week stint of eq. I like Juice Pimp's layout a little better. good luck at any rate.

 

[Dial_tone]

I don't like the way you're getting all cute and switching the drugs so often. I'd stick with one base drug and change the secondary every x weeks, like so:

week 1-21 enanthate 500mg/week
week 1-6 tren 150mg EOD
week 7-15 EQ 500mg/week
week 16-21 NPP <dunno>

 

[browndog1]

I agree with the above - do test the whole time at a moderate dosage.

Also, don't do the deca unless you can do at least 8 weeks at 300-400mg.
Don't do the deca and fina together.
Start with the a50's for the first 4 weeks, then do the dbol for 4 weeks after 10 weeks in or so.

Okay, I decided to write it out - here are my thoughts -
Week 1-4 - 50mg anadrol/day
Week 1-24 - 500mg test enan
Week 1-10 - 400mg deca
Week 11-14 - 40mg dbol
Week 11-24 - 600mg EQ
Week 19-24 - 75mg/ED fina

...bd

 

[Dial_tone]

Here's what I'm on now:

week 1-14 300mg EQ E4D
week 1-12 200mg Deca E4D
week 1-6,13-16 75mg Fina EOD (two runs)
week 1-16 DNP 200mg E3D (not a typo)

I'm in week 9 now; down 4 lbs; strength up nicely; much thicker upper body. Since side effects have been non-existent I'm thinking about stretching it until my EQ is all gone, which would be possibly another 2 weeks. I have never gone over 10 weeks previously.

 

[Mythicalbeing]

Okay...I'm leaning towards your advice Dialtone....the 1 gram a week suggested by Pimp is over kill for me as I still make gains on "average" doses. BD your cycle looks pretty sound as well. I would like to thank you all...

 

[GoldenDelicious]

how do you guys go with recovery after such long cycles? do you guys do blood tests to see where you are in terms of testicular function and all that, or do you just kinda wing it?

 

[Mythicalbeing]

Blood tests are a must Bro...get one before and after....to see where I am recovery wise.

 

[JuicePimp]

Yup and on really long cycles, I go mid cycle too. Beneficial for keeping cholesterol, etc. in check. Plus, its really nice to see 1000+ test levels. Just went today, 4 months in. We shall see the results here in a couple of weeks. After is totally key, after recovery that is. The only way to know if you are really recovered.

 

[RADAR]

What happened to being safe and letting the body rest & recover, Time on =time off?


RADAR

 

[mrflexdiesel]

No more long cycling for me! It's just not worth it for most. You need to keep changing things and adding more just to maintain or gain a little. Also, not healthy long term and just sends your whole system out of whack. I'm going for the short approach from now on. No longer than 4 weeks and then PCT treatment along with estrogen and cortisol suppression. Than followed up with Growth, Slin, and T3. None of these phases will last longer than 4 weeks. By doing this you are working with your body instead of against it and you can keep growing instead of plateuing. Also, it's just plain healthier! Researched the matter and have talked to some of the elite and this seems to be how alot of your national level and professional competitors are doing things these days. That's how they can kinda remain on all the time and still grow and stay healthy. No more 12+ week cycles for me.

 

[browndog1]

Okay...I'm leaning towards your advice Dialtone....the 1 gram a week suggested by Pimp is over kill for me as I still make gains on "average" doses. BD your cycle looks pretty sound as well. I would like to thank you all...

no problem. good luck.


..bd