liver values high

[juicyjuice85]

I just got back from the dr.'s and he said my liver vales were high like one was 60 something , i just finished up a 4 week kickstart of d-bol avg. 40-50 mg per day. Also am on test. prop 600 mg week + primo 400 mg week. could the injectables affect my liver values. I know their not as hard on it as orals are. I'm thinking about lowering the dose of prop. untill the liver pain subsides. I also have an ulcer that i'm getting checked out on wed. by a gastroologist. Im almost 6 weeks into a 14 weeker. should i drop the doses or just lower them untill i get better?

im 5'10 190 6.5 % bf 22 yrs old

 

[natecr]

so now your just on prop and primo?
becareful man... shit if i was having any pains i would drop it all to begin with. Aint worth it man. You can start it back up later.

 

[halfcenturian]

Livers values???

There is:
"safe" levels are: My last scores were

ALT (SGPT) 21 - 75 IU/L 116 High
AST(SGOT) 17 - 60 IU/L 71 High
ALK PHOS 38 - 128 IU/L 70
Total Bilirubin 0.1 - 1.5 2.1 High

My Dr. said no worries due to statin drugs and Testosterone / HRT.
I have no pain. No yellow jaundice, and Hersheys Chocolate colored poop.

 

[Chocolate_Thunder]

Livers values???

There is:
"safe" levels are: My last scores were

ALT (SGPT) 21 - 75 IU/L 116 High
AST(SGOT) 17 - 60 IU/L 71 High
ALK PHOS 38 - 128 IU/L 70
Total Bilirubin 0.1 - 1.5 2.1 High

My Dr. said no worries due to statin drugs and Testosterone / HRT.
I have no pain. No yellow jaundice, and Hersheys Chocolate colored poop.

Thanks for that last bit of information.

 

[Spartacus]

Livers values???

There is:
"safe" levels are: My last scores were

ALT (SGPT) 21 - 75 IU/L 116 High
AST(SGOT) 17 - 60 IU/L 71 High
ALK PHOS 38 - 128 IU/L 70
Total Bilirubin 0.1 - 1.5 2.1 High

My Dr. said no worries due to statin drugs and Testosterone / HRT.
I have no pain. No yellow jaundice, and Hersheys Chocolate colored poop.

those are modest elevations
when jaundice appears those figures will be in the thousands

when liver cells die due to damage they rupture and release their contents into the blood stream (e.g. their enzymes)
thus when they do a liver panel blood test they measure the presence of these liver enzymes in circulation as an indication of how much the liver is being stressed
of course it's normal to have some death that's why there are normal ranges
and even a non-steriod bodybuilder will have slighty higher enzyme values due to the stress of the typical high protein diet of a weight lifter

as long as your high figure is within about double high normal I wouldn't be concerned
if the ALT/AST figures get to about 250 or so I'd recommend taking a break

 

[Spartacus]

and I highly doubt you're experiencing liver pain with a 60 figure
that's likely pysch0-somatic (i.e. you're imagining it)

your liver would be severely under stress/bombardment and enlarged for you to feel pain in your liver

 

[juicyjuice85]

and I highly doubt you're experiencing liver pain with a 60 figure
that's likely pysch0-somatic (i.e. you're imagining it)

your liver would be severely under stress/bombardment and enlarged for you to feel pain in your liver

i feel pain under my right rib cage when i breath in i also have strep throught and my ulcer is acting uso these could be contributing i hope that its not my liver and a organ near it

 

[artificialaspirations]

Livers values???

There is:
"safe" levels are: My last scores were

ALT (SGPT) 21 - 75 IU/L 116 High
AST(SGOT) 17 - 60 IU/L 71 High
ALK PHOS 38 - 128 IU/L 70
Total Bilirubin 0.1 - 1.5 2.1 High

My Dr. said no worries due to statin drugs and Testosterone / HRT.
I have no pain. No yellow jaundice, and Hersheys Chocolate colored poop.

I've had elevated values since I was 19 in my yearly pre-employment physicals, which I attributed to all the drinking I did in college.

Here I am 8 years later, hardly ever drink, take zero medications, no steroids and my values are still elevated. Go figure.

 

[Spartacus]

I've had elevated values since I was 19 in my yearly pre-employment physicals, which I attributed to all the drinking I did in college.

Here I am 8 years later, hardly ever drink, take zero medications, no steroids and my values are still elevated. Go figure.

have you been checked for hep C?

 

[artificialaspirations]

no

 

[halfcenturian]

EXCELLENT INFORMATION FROM SPARTACUS !!! BRAVO !!!

NOTE: These figures were taken 6 weeks after a 14 week long cycle. I went in early because I was more concerned about lipids. Lipids were perfect!!!

Cycle was:
wk 1-5 Dbol 40mg / ED
wk 1-10 Deca 400mg /wk
wk 1-12 Test Cyp 600mg /wk
wk 8-12 Anavar 60 mg / ED
wk 4-12 1000 HCG/wk
.25 adex E3D
.5mg Casaber E3D

I was very happy with results -- although they were the highest ever.
I normally wait 60 days post cycle for blood work. This was 6 weeks.

 

[Spartacus]

EXCELLENT INFORMATION FROM SPARTACUS !!! BRAVO !!!

NOTE: These figures were taken 6 weeks after a 14 week long cycle. I went in early because I was more concerned about lipids. Lipids were perfect!!!

Cycle was:
wk 1-5 Dbol 40mg / ED
wk 1-10 Deca 400mg /wk
wk 1-12 Test Cyp 600mg /wk
wk 8-12 Anavar 60 mg / ED
wk 4-12 1000 HCG/wk
.25 adex E3D
.5mg Casaber E3D

I was very happy with results -- although they were the highest ever.
I normally wait 60 days post cycle for blood work. This was 6 weeks.

I've had hep C since about 1987
I've never been sick
but I have my liver enzymes measured periodically and I've seen specialists etc.
so I'm fairly well schooled on liver function
my enzymes typically run about double high normal and have been that way for 15 years
occassionally I'll get a spike to about 250 and occassionally they'll be in normal range
I was sober for 9 years and during that period they were the same as they are now with some moderate drinking
they even spiked once during that long sober period

as with most physical stuff people react differently
I have a low-low viral count and likely am in that 20% that will never get sick from hep C

just keep aware of your liver (have periodic liver panels if using,esp orals)
the liver regenerates
but it is quite possible to overwhelm it's recuperative ability through a continous assault and bombardment

 

[artificialaspirations]

I've had hep C since about 1987
I've never been sick
but I have my liver enzymes measured periodically and I've seen specialists etc.
so I'm fairly well schooled on liver function
my enzymes typically run about double high normal and have been that way for 15 years
occassionally I'll get a spike to about 250 and occassionally they'll be in normal range
I was sober for 9 years and during that period they were the same as they are now with some moderate drinking
they even spiked once during that long sober period

as with most physical stuff people react differently
I have a low-low viral count and likely am in that 20% that will never get sick from hep C

just keep aware of your liver (have periodic liver panels if using,esp orals)
the liver regenerates
but it is quite possible to overwhelm it's recuperative ability through a continous assault and bombardment

My values less than double the high normal and doc didn't seem to be worried after my last physical. How is it treated?

 

[Spartacus]

those are modest elevations
when jaundice appears those figures will be in the thousands

when liver cells die due to damage they rupture and release their contents into the blood stream (e.g. their enzymes)
thus when they do a liver panel blood test they measure the presence of these liver enzymes in circulation as an indication of how much the liver is being stressed
of course it's normal to have some death that's why there are normal ranges
and even a non-steriod bodybuilder will have slighty higher enzyme values due to the stress of the typical high protein diet of a weight lifter

as long as your high figure is within about double high normal I wouldn't be concerned
if the ALT/AST figures get to about 250 or so I'd recommend taking a break

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[Spartacus]

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[littleb]

I am not sure about strep thraot,, but a llot of infections can temp. raise your liver values,, plus the 4 weeks of dbol its to be expected, go back and have blood panel run again in a month, as far as pain i also doubt its from your liver...shit mine were way higher then that after my divorce and little 6 month drinking bender.......

 

[Spartacus]

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[Big_BK]

Just training heavy will give you slightly elevated liver enzymes. I've been told it is nothing to worry about unless they are double the normal range and for long periods of time, if they are a few points over what they "should" be you are fine.

 

[Tatyana]

I've had elevated values since I was 19 in my yearly pre-employment physicals, which I attributed to all the drinking I did in college.

Here I am 8 years later, hardly ever drink, take zero medications, no steroids and my values are still elevated. Go figure.

Which enzymes or analytes are elevated?

 

[Tatyana]

Just training heavy will give you slightly elevated liver enzymes. I've been told it is nothing to worry about unless they are double the normal range and for long periods of time, if they are a few points over what they "should" be you are fine.

Exactly.

An elevation of 10 - 20 above the 'normal' range isn't anything to be concerned about.

Usually clinicians don't worry until the levels are 4-5 times the normal range.

 

[lilj888]

nvm i have no knowledge on this subject i dont want to look stupid

 

[FunFun]

those are modest elevations
when jaundice appears those figures will be in the thousands

........ if the ALT/AST figures get to about 250 or so I'd recommend taking a break

This post is 3 months old, but I thought I better correct the error before someone takes it too seriously. Liver enzyme values don't have to be anywhere near "the thousands" for jaundice to appear.

Here are some of my liver values when I was bright yellow suffering from jaundice about 3 years ago:

ALP: 283 U/L (normal: 0 - 270)
AST: 110 U/L (normal: 10 - 40)
ALT: 207 U/L (normal: 4 - 38)

Bilirubin (Total): 8.60 mg/dl (0.2 - 1.5)
Bilirubin (Direct): 3.75 mg/dl (0 - 0.5)

(Note: different labs will give different normal ranges. The above ranges are the ones from my lab.)

Jaundice can appear (early symptoms are easy to miss) when total bilirubin gets as high as 2 - 2.5 mg/dl, however symptoms may not be noticed early on, but when they start the onset is rapid as the bilirubin starts to accumulate in the skin. Even your semen will become yellow.

Moral of the story: don't panic about slightly elevated AST and ALT, but ALWAYS keep a very close eye on bilirubin. When that goes over the top end of normal you're in trouble....that's time to STOP orals. If you catch it early, continuing on with injectables will probably be ok. If you actually get jaundice you'll be feeling far too ill to train anyway, so taking juice and going to the gym will be far from your mind.

 

[Big_Joe]

If the guy that started this post is feeling pain in the upper right quadrant of his abdomen I would suspect his gall bladder or even the small intestine. Because he said he has an ulcer I tend to lean towards the small intestine being inflamed. This will cause pain and could raise your ALT score. All cells have the enzymes that ALT measures. If they are ruptured they release these enzymes into the blood. I have had my blood work done after a heavy leg day and my ALT was in the two hundreds. It came down fairly soon though.

It's a misnomer to think that you can take something and have it heal your liver, or even remove the stress that is on the liver. Everything you ingest is processed by the liver. Everything puts some stress on the liver. In other words it makes it work harder to assimilate what you ingested. Don't fall into the supplement trap and think you can woof down some sort of herbal concoction and it will remove the strain on your liver. You are only giving your liver more to deal with. If you want to help your liver fast on water for a couple of days per month. And the rest of the time don't poison your liver with anything. Even spicy foods can put a strain on the liver.

I personally know someone that had very high ALT scores. His health insurance company was going to drop him, thinking he was drinking all the time. He didn't drink and it was a mystery why his ALT was so high. He stopped eating sugar and his ALT dropped back to normal. Everything you ingest effects the liver.

 

[Spartacus]

This post is 3 months old, but I thought I better correct the error before someone takes it too seriously. Liver enzyme values don't have to be anywhere near "the thousands" for jaundice to appear.

Here are some of my liver values when I was bright yellow suffering from jaundice about 3 years ago:

ALP: 283 U/L (normal: 0 - 270)
AST: 110 U/L (normal: 10 - 40)
ALT: 207 U/L (normal: 4 - 38)

Bilirubin (Total): 8.60 mg/dl (0.2 - 1.5)
Bilirubin (Direct): 3.75 mg/dl (0 - 0.5)

(Note: different labs will give different normal ranges. The above ranges are the ones from my lab.)

Jaundice can appear (early symptoms are easy to miss) when total bilirubin gets as high as 2 - 2.5 mg/dl, however symptoms may not be noticed early on, but when they start the onset is rapid as the bilirubin starts to accumulate in the skin. Even your semen will become yellow.

Moral of the story: don't panic about slightly elevated AST and ALT, but ALWAYS keep a very close eye on bilirubin. When that goes over the top end of normal you're in trouble....that's time to STOP orals. If you catch it early, continuing on with injectables will probably be ok. If you actually get jaundice you'll be feeling far too ill to train anyway, so taking juice and going to the gym will be far from your mind.

I appreciate this contribution
the docs told me what i forwarded here
but I haven't considered the bilirubin aspect

what are the compounds and/or activities that are affecting people's bilirubin values?

tatyana made some comments concerning bilirubin and whatnot
just sort of thought about pulling the info together in a thread
instead of having the liver info scattered all around

 

[dark-knight]

I appreciate this contribution
the docs told me what i forwarded here
but I haven't considered the bilirubin aspect

what are the compounds and/or activities that are affecting people's bilirubin values?

tatyana made some comments concerning bilirubin and whatnot
just sort of thought about pulling the info together in a thread
instead of having the liver info scattered all around

excellent idea spartacus

when this thread has run its course i think it would be a good idea to dedicate a sticky or something that includes health issues that are directly related to the use of aas.

 

[FunFun]

I appreciate this contribution
the docs told me what i forwarded here
but I haven't considered the bilirubin aspect

what are the compounds and/or activities that are affecting people's bilirubin values?

tatyana made some comments concerning bilirubin and whatnot
just sort of thought about pulling the info together in a thread
instead of having the liver info scattered all around

Drug induced cholestasis is the classic condition caused by c17-alkylated steroids. You'll find it in every textbook (or article) discussing liver conditions. These drugs cause an intra-hepatic bile blockage. As soon as the bile flow has stopped, the bilirubin will accumulate in the skin causing the classic yellow colour of jaundice. Bilirubin is formed from the breakdown of old red blood cells. The normal route for elimination from the body is through the intestines, that's why the stools become light coloured when the bile flow is stopped.

It's important to understand that jaundice is not a disease of itself. It's a symptom of cholestasis (bile blockage).

People can save myself a lot of expense by just testing for bilirubin. That will soon tell you how you're going with your orals.