Liver damage irreversible? Accutane and Test?

[UnStopAbleForce]

I know this is a little long, but I really really appreciate any replies I can get, all the help. Karma for anyone who helps me out!

Whats up bro's. I was on accutane for a little less than three months, and my liver values got a little high so the derm took me off of it. He started me at 40mg a day for the first month, then doubled it. As I was on the accutane, I would usually drink every weekend, and was popping alot of pain killers (percocet, vicodin), I'd say maybe 10 mg a day for the last couple weeks I was on accutane. Obviously, the drinking once or twice a week and the perc's made the liver values got higher then if I just took the accutane. My values weren't crazy, but only slightly high for the most part.

My values were: AST was 44, the norm is 0-40. My ALT was 48, the norm is also 0-40. The norm for GGT is 0-65, mines was 83.

So on Monday, I went for bloodwork. Everything came back normal. The doctors office called me, and said they are going to put me back on, 40mg a day, to come pick up my perscription. About 10 minutes later, I get a call from the doctor himself, saying he wanted to let me know a few things. He said that by going back on accutane, I am taking a chance. He said that if my liver values go back up again, there is a chance they may not come back down. This I dont understand. While speaking to the doc (who I never told I was taking all of those perc's and vices, which is probaly why they got high to begin with), I mentioned to him that I was planning on taking liver detox, milk thistle, etc. When I mention this, I said to him "Doc, i'm also going to take milk thistle, a liver detox, and ala to help my values stay normal, wouldn't that help," he replied "I wasn't aware they would help you." Maybe its just me, but sounds to me like the doc doesn't know his shit to well.

Ultimatly, I was planning on start a little cycle,

wks 1-10
250 mg ICN's (ew)
10mg Nolva (ed)

Post cycle- clomid, nolva

Ultimatly heres my questions:

1. Is it true what the doctor said, about my values not coming back down again? I dont understand how the first time its ok if they get a little high, I can just come off and they'll go back to normal, but the next time they may not go back to normal. Just dont make sense, what do you's think???

2. If it is true, it may not be the most intelligant thing to juice (even though its a little amount) while on accutane.

Please help me out everybody. Sorry about how long the post is, but figured I'd cover everything. This time around I will not drink (even though I think the taken the percs and vic's is what did it), and definatly wont pop any pain killers.

Thanks Alot

 

[solidspine]

I have no idea if the Doctor is correct or not, but I would recommend you add Tyler Liver Detox and Cranberry extract to your cycle.

 

[R33t]

It's possible to do permanent liver damage because of Accutane (main reason for liver enzyme tests), or you could require a long recovery period.

Personally, I would never consider mixing Accutane and AAS. OK, it is true steroids aren't as burdening on your liver, but still, I would never mix the two.

Some bro's will use Accutane during a cycle. It's not my business, maybe their acne became really bad. My friend was on a cycle of Sust and developed pretty bad back acne and even considered a simultaneous run at Accutane. To make a long story short, he waited a while after his cycle.

Oh, supplements like ala, etc, well, doctors look at alternative options to recovery much differently, so I can understand why he couldn't give you as much information as you would have liked to have been given.

R33t

 

[poolcleaner]

Hey man I was on accutane @80mg a day after I got bad acne from a cycle. I don't know if the doc is right but I do know you should stay away from mixing anything with the tane...just to be safe. I went drinking a few times and my liver values increased, my doc said to lay off drinking and the values returned to normal. I wouldn't mix AAS and accutane, why take the chance. I get bad acne from AAS so I just pick lower doses and more anobolic then adrogenic gear.

 

[UnStopAbleForce]

thanks bro's. bump for more replies. If my liver values get high again, why wouldn't they go back to normal once i stop like they did last time???

 

[Dirty V]

Hey bro I hopes this helps you out-I ran my levels up so high from Winstrol/pain killers/drinking 4-5times a week four summers ago. I was jaundiced for 3 months, conducted liver bioppsy for cancer(hurt like hell)!! I lost 25 pounds itched so bad I tore holes in my skin(lower legs). Doctors kept telling me that I would get better-I didnt!! My billiruben levels were in the upper 30's; 1-3 is normal. They were worried I was going to need a transplant at one point. MILK THISTLE 4 TIMES A DAY REVERSED EVERYTHING FOR ME. DOCTORS DONT ALWAYS KNOW EVERTHING. Believe me bro!!! Because it is an HERB and not regulated by the FDA they dont back its use-THEY ARE FOOLS!!! If it is not a perscription they dont care to know about it. Keep taking your Milk thistle, ALA, and D-tox; you should be fine. Lay off the Percs-to much acetametiphin(horrible on the liver) 10 a day=Crazy!!! Drink at least a 1/2 gallon to a gallon of water a day also. Good Luck bro.

 

[Ulter]

Your doctor told you that because his handbook tells him to tell you that. He is a dermatologist and knows nothing about liver function. Which is obvious by his comments.
Yes you can go back on accutane, your values were not that bad really.
If your values go up again, and they will while you use accutane, that doesn't mean you have liver damage. So if you lay off the pain killers and alcohol you'll be fine and your liver values will go back down when you come off.

 

[sh4dowf4lcon]

Karma for anyone who helps me out!

BTW, you cant give Karma when you have negative Karma. Just a note, and good luck with your liver.

BTW, my doctor told me Milk Thistle and Tylers would not help liver values as well.

Like Ulter said, stay away from pain pills and alcohol is the best thing you can do right now.

Peace

 

[TxLonghorn]

The liver is built like a tank and is the toughest organ your body has. It can fully regenerate itself if there is even 25% of it left. In other words, lay off all the other crap you were doing like the painkillers and alcohol while taking accutane and you'll be fine.

Just because it's a tank doesn't mean it's indestructible. Be reasonable, but imo, your doctor doesn't know a damn thing about the liver.

 

[tboy72]

Hey bro I hopes this helps you out-I ran my levels up so high from Winstrol/pain killers/drinking 4-5times a week four summers ago. I was jaundiced for 3 months, conducted liver bioppsy for cancer(hurt like hell)!! I lost 25 pounds itched so bad I tore holes in my skin(lower legs). Doctors kept telling me that I would get better-I didnt!! My billiruben levels were in the upper 30's; 1-3 is normal. They were worried I was going to need a transplant at one point. MILK THISTLE 4 TIMES A DAY REVERSED EVERYTHING FOR ME. DOCTORS DONT ALWAYS KNOW EVERTHING. Believe me bro!!! Because it is an HERB and not regulated by the FDA they dont back its use-THEY ARE FOOLS!!! If it is not a perscription they dont care to know about it. Keep taking your Milk thistle, ALA, and D-tox; you should be fine. Lay off the Percs-to much acetametiphin(horrible on the liver) 10 a day=Crazy!!! Drink at least a 1/2 gallon to a gallon of water a day also. Good Luck bro.

good shit man.....im taking milk thistle everyday...on my var cycle i did mess around a few times with pain killers....and drink 2*'s my liver values were all in normal range.....i loved painkillers and drinking, butg ill tell you i like the results of gear and the gym even more.....i was hooked bad on oxys and norcos for a long time......but one i got into gear my addictive personality got me in the gym....so in a way gear, if it hasnt saved my life definatly improved the shit out of it........i wish articals with these types of stories would be run on 60 minutes and espn...